Soft Snow Gymkhana - The Heritage Lab FR110

[2FUNKY]

^ you went -two on the base bevel?


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[asmvolatile]

^ you went -two on the base bevel?


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sorry mixed up order. 1 base, 2 side

[Marshal Olson]

^ you went -two on the base bevel?


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In all honestly, the 2* base 2* side tune is my personal preference, super nice feather off edge but hooks up great as soon as you hit high enough edge angles. Definitely not for everyone though.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I could see that being nice on the R one ten. I’ve only hit a few bullet proof spots of man made where the soft snow had been scraped off and they are fine as long as you’re not too far out of the fall line


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[Muggydude]

Seems inevitable I’d find my way into this thread haha. Haven’t been very up to date on what’s new ski wise the last few years since I’ve been pretty happy with my quiver.

187 Masterblasters handle hardpack/no new snow days. 189cm Praxis Kusala Collabs (UL Carbon veneer) for virgin snow in and out of the resort, so fun. R/R magic for sure. 191 Praxis Lhasa Pow Fat Collabs are my general pow day go to, and for really big days off KT, especially with heavy snow, my 191 Cease and Desists (asym, but touring core and the big low slung banana rocker) just truck over everything.

Anyways, big quiver gap between the Masterblasters and pow skis, and for conditions I ski at palisades a lot. <= 8 inches of snow, or day after the storm. Often heavy, wind affected, funky or chopped up snow. Fresh snow with some ice and chunder underneath too. I ski a Lot of bumps and trees those days, but also big fast faces.

A full rocker ski seems like a pretty good candidate for this spot in the lineup, particularly because they’ll mostly be skied in soft and variable and need to be playful and maneuverable. Meridian 187cm seems a good candidate, mvp 108 (even if not full rocker) too. Can anyone compare those skis to the HL ones?

For HL - What’s the low down on R110 vs FR110? I’m leaning FR since I really want these to be easy to pivot and slash in bumps and trees. 186cm seems the right size. Could 181cm R110’s be another choice? Not sure how they compare. I’d prioritize mogul performance over top end or hardpack manners.

5’10 200-215lb depending how much pizza I’ve been eating. Physically strong skier, I tend to ski fast and muscle my way down the hill generally speaking.

Any input appreciated

[GoSlowGoFar]

No time on the R110 but I have time on the 187 Meridian. I think they would be fairly similar in chop with the HL potentially being a bit more composed due to a bit more heft, slightly more rearward mount point, and a little less side cut. Meridian might be a little quicker edge to edge. In pow, I’d say R110 would float better - for whatever reason I never felt the Meridian floated well for its width.

The Meridian was super fun carving long turns, and still handled mixed conditions really well so likely knit picking between the two - aka both would be good choices and I’d probably decide based on mount point.

I don’t know all the deets yet but there might be a AM110 on tap for next season which seems like it’d be an option. I happen to have a prototype on the way to Truckee and ski Sugar Bowl. Would be happy to let you get a bit of time on it if the binders work for your boot in the event you also ski SB.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I have time on the FR R 110s and the Meridian. Suspension wise the Meridian isn't in the same ballpark. The Meridian is definitely quicker edge to edge and feels lighter underfoot but god damn do they hurt when you catch a firm flat landing. Both HLs float better largely due to GD stiff that meridian is. What I love about HLs in this category is the ability to absorb rough snow and bumps through the tip the stiffness of the meridians made them tend to deflect... I also could just be a shitty skier. The Meridian is a loved ski around here but for me it just didn't gel.

Now between the R and FR. Mount plays a huge role but also the FR can be a much more relaxed ski where although I don't feel the R is demanding it is more game on.

The FR is a mogul cheater so from what I've read that is your huckleberry... in a 186

[twoAdog]

In the highly unlikely event that one of you with 186 Rs would like to swap for 180s (or if someone with 186cm is looking to move them along) shoot me a message.

I’d be interested in swapping out my186 FRs. They are fun to charge on but I’d like a bit less swing weight. Coming off knee surgery and the length is giving me more trouble than last season.

[Shredeagle]

I have 186 FR and 181 Rs.

I like to ski fast and aggressively everywhere. Whether it’s quick tight turns or arcing big carves.

I immediately clicked with the Rs. Favorite ski ever. Awesome everywhere. Great in the bumps I think. They can be skied chill too. Just a perfect ski for how I like to ski. I like having the low reverse because they are super maneuverable but it isn’t so much that it feels rough when nuking through harder spots. Basically the Rs shred everything everywhere everytime. I even think they shred the hard pack icy groomers well as long as you commit to finishing the carve.

The FRs are a bit more specialized. Love them in round bumps where you can treat them like a skate park. Don’t love them in steep angular bumps because I can’t slow down enough with all of the reverse that I can’t get that tip into the steep backside of the mogul. Love them in pow, especially steep pow. Fun in the steeps anytime the snow is smooth. Super fun in tight tech. Don’t love them for example when you get down a fun steep section and you are trying to fly through some lower angle chunder. I feel a bit beat up and off balance on them. I think these are smooth soft snow specialists like Marshall says. I’m stoked to have them as they are so fun in the right conditions. But I can grab the R and have fun in all conditions.


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[Core Shot]

I don’t know all the deets yet but there might be a AM110 on tap for next season which seems like it’d be an option. I happen to have a prototype on the way to Truckee and ski Sugar Bowl. Would be happy to let you get a bit of time on it if the binders work for your boot in the event you also ski SB.

Yes. It’s coming. Like the R with a tiny camber pocket. Should be a great ski.

Had two boot deep pow Alta days on the protos. Didn’t want to air my feedback. Some tweaks are being made to final production.
Should be an awesome ski next year.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m not sure a camber pocket no matter how small would improve on the R One Ten. I could see a flat section under foot but as they are they are perfect for nearly every day there is soft snow. If I’m planning on sticking mostly to groomers I would be on something narrower and camber


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[Marshal Olson]

@core shot - thanks again for trying them and I am sorry they didn’t work out. Goslowgofar is actually getting a modified version of what you tried, that incorporate much of your feedback.

[Core Shot]

Your feedback as well. Don’t be sorry. I had fun. Just had to turn it up to eleven to make them dance.

You know skis. That was a fun proto ride. Would be a great comp charger that’s also loose. Excited to see the final layup which should be a loose splayed slightly cambered accessible ski for everyone.

@unicorn. The camber is so slight.1-2 mm.
In Marshall’s words it extends the underfoot platform and also gives more bite on low tide days.

I see the potential. One ski to rule them all. Ultimate travel ski.
Sounds like the R could do that. If you don’t mind a week on full reverse for your vacation and no new snow.

AM110 is gonna be good

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think the only time I notice any lack of suspension with the R one ten is running bases flat on a firm groomer. Any time you’re on edge there’s plenty of suspension and rebound. I was a Corvus acolyte though so that might explain my fondness for most conditions

Edit- I think the current R has incredible edge bite if you are skiing stacked and through the bases, most of the force is being applied to the portion of the ski directly underfoot, like a skate.


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[Bandit Man]

Finally spent my first day on my one eighty seven FR one ten’s. Mounted at MO recommended (-six point seven-five) with Pivot fifteens.

Conditions were nine to fifteen inches (boot deep) of somewhat “dry” PNW pow with a firm scratchy base underneath.

Playful, stable, and loose…just as advertised. I was a little worried about them skiing too soft with the initial hand flex, but that concern was unfounded. Plenty of ski. Could push them as hard as I wanted/needed to today. As others have mentioned, they make you want to bounce and jump off everything. No big drops today, but no issue taking airs and feeling balanced on landings. All joy. All fun.

Like any full reverse camber ski, there is a lack of absolute suspension in funky bumps, but the dampness of the ski helps mute those feelings a bit. Not a criticism, but more of an observation. They held enough of an edge on firm groomers, but I really didn’t spend much time on groomers today.

Really easy to adjust to the ski and get comfortable with them at speed. Swing weight felt perfect. I typically would ski a BG or Mfree one-o-eight one a day like today. The FR felt a bit like an Mfree with full rocker. Similar manners minus the active suspension of the Mfree. Mfree would be a bit more versatile, but the FR is easier to handle and more fun.

Well done, Marshall. Quite pleased with my first experience with a Heritage Lab model. Looking forward to many more days as fun as today with them!


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[riff]

If someone wants to pass on some 187 R one tens for any reason, let me know.


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[N1CK.]

I spent all day in the trees at Mary Jane. The R is just so fucking good.
I go back and forth between wanting to upsize or not, a day like today the 180 were perfect.

[Shorty_J]

I spent all day in the trees at Mary Jane. The R is just so fucking good.
I go back and forth between wanting to upsize or not, a day like today the 180 were perfect.

I have had moments where I'm confident I could handle the larger size, but on the other hand I have yet to find a time the 180 was not enough for my skiing style and smaller stature.

I'm personally glad I went with the 180 in the R, but I think of I do decide to buy a 120 I will go FR and size up.

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[austin.barta46@gmail.com]

Does anyone with the R110 also have time on the Praxis MVP ?? On paper, the MVP is very similar to the 110 dims ( and so true with the FRS and 120, as they both just +10mm). On snow the MVP has been the ski that does everything not just well/ok, but truly excelled. from the deepest snow to anything even remotely soft, the MVP is fun, stable, inspiring and intuitive. I should note the MVP I so dearly love is the version prior to current production and has a 27m radius vs 2.0's 24m, and I ski them with a 1.5/3 tune . The R110 is the only ski other than the sender free 110 that I want in this waist width.

I'm dying to try the R110, but partly because it sounds so similar to the MVP, which I have no desire to replace.

[Self Jupiter]

Same^, but I’d add the FR110 into the conversation as well. I have OG MVPs and Hojis in the mix. Have owned the 187 and 193 MVPs. The Hojis mostly see the funky snow and a lot of rocks and the MVPs get taken on travel duty. Just a great ski.

[Shorty_J]

Instead of more gushing, I'll just say on my last run of the day yesterday down some perfectly spaced chalky moguls, I was crushing them so hard I yelled "fuck yeah" to nobody when I cleared the bumps.

#bestskiever

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[sheel44]

I am really curious about the FR/R110 vs my current sender squads? I'd also consider the AM 110s, looking for something around 110 for skiing Stevens mostly on softer days. The sender squads are a bit of a handful in some of the tighter terrain and wonder if this would keep the same suspension thats slightly less of a handful.

[toast2266]

Does anyone with the R110 also have time on the Praxis MVP ?? On paper, the MVP is very similar to the 110 dims ( and so true with the FRS and 120, as they both just +10mm). On snow the MVP has been the ski that does everything not just well/ok, but truly excelled. from the deepest snow to anything even remotely soft, the MVP is fun, stable, inspiring and intuitive. I should note the MVP I so dearly love is the version prior to current production and has a 27m radius vs 2.0's 24m, and I ski them with a 1.5/3 tune . The R110 is the only ski other than the sender free 110 that I want in this waist width.

I'm dying to try the R110, but partly because it sounds so similar to the MVP, which I have no desire to replace.

I have the current gen mvp. Currently have the R110, and previously had the FR110.

This comes with the caveat that my mvp's are much loved, a couple years old, and have been flogged. R110's are pretty fresh, and I traded out the FR's because I didn't click with those. The R's took a little fussing with the tune (i.e. significant detuning) to get them to smear like I like, but now I'm psyched on them.

R's are definitely more damp and heavier. That's good for busting crud, but bad for playfulness. The R's are more pivoty, but both the R's and MVP's are pretty easy in tight-ish places. Both are happier with a little room to run. FR's are much more pivoty, and are great in tight stuff but always felt weird to me as speeds picked up. In some situations, MVP's can feel a little easier just due to less swing weight.

MVP's are quicker edge to edge, but R's are perfectly competent on groomers. Not energetic, but they can lay a decent trench. MVP's have a little camber which gives a bit of suspension on firmer snow, but R's dampness and weight helps it make up a little ground there. R's feel "stompier" when landing stuff. The R's tail is also a little stronger - better for muscling through stuff, but also slightly less forgiving of mistakes. The R's float better than the MVP's, and while both are fine in soft snow, the R's are better.

Long story short, I like both. If the snow is more or less soft (even if it's not deep) and I want to ski hard, I'd probably pick the R110. If I don't know what the conditions are and it might be the kind of day where I just fart around maybe on groomers, maybe in bumps, maybe on something better, I'd probably grab the MVP. I'm not sure I'd necessarily call them similar, but they get to a similar place via different methods.





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[Mustonen]

I am really curious about the FR/R110 vs my current sender squads? I'd also consider the AM 110s, looking for something around 110 for skiing Stevens mostly on softer days. The sender squads are a bit of a handful in some of the tighter terrain and wonder if this would keep the same suspension thats slightly less of a handful.

I have both, but 187 in R110. Very similar feel between the two. Differences are what you’d expect. Senders are better behaved on hard snow. A little more inspiring carvers. R110 disappear a little bit more, in a good way. They’re “easy” and that’s not really a word you’d use on the Senders. They don’t have the same monster truck feel of the Senders in variable, but they aren’t far off. A lot of the differences you could write off to just the length difference, and most of the rest of it you could write off to slight camber in the Senders.

[twoAdog]

I’m going to part with my 187 FR110. Let me know if interested. I really enjoyed them last season. Rehabbing a knee this year and need something shorter, lighter . If nothing else I may take advantage of Marshall’s trade in program and switch to a 181.