Soft Snow Gymkhana - The Heritage Lab FR110

[skinipenem]

Fwiw. Having a mark on the ski and strongly recommending the skier measure to confirm that mark seems like the best of both worlds. I like that 4frnt has a mark and a sticker, some 4frnt skis have a side wall mark, etc...

Having some sort of marking might eliminate a non zero number of shop monkeys from incorrectly mounting the skis..... although I think most of us mount our own fileickin skis

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[Marshal Olson]

Really appreciate all the feedback. Will measure a bunch of skis here and going to see what I can action in the summer for the fall delivery.

[Core Shot]

1mm?
In carpentry it’s a cunt hair.

You have to be over a half centimeter to notice anything
Ain’t nobody noticing a millimeter

[Mustonen]

Big enough hammer and you can make half a centimeter disappear too.

[sf]

Since mags are nerding out anyway: I seem to remember from a few years back that someone (PM Gear?) said to measure from the tip for some reason.

Am I remembering correctly, and if so: what was the idea behind it?

[hoarhey]

Have those been measured to be any more or less accurate than anything else? I have a couple trade-ins here I can measure here later in the week, will be interesting to see. My view and experience is that if it is manual in some capacity (from laying topsheets to punching dimples), it is open for variance, and the person most invested in getting it right (the skier) is the most likely to be the most accurate.

My longer term plan is to begin pressing the standard/most neutral line into the skis via the mold, so it's the exact same every time. But I really need/want to have enough data about mount preference from folks to do that. Certainly getting there, but a permanent thing like that really is good to have sufficient data size!

Once implemented in a couple years, every every ski will have a standard mount point where I believe ~75% of skiers will be most happy, and then I will share what one standard deviation +/- to cover the next 10% of skiers in each direction to be most happy and invite folks considering two deviations from that to drop me an email to stick the landing.

I can’t say as I never measured it to confirm


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[Mustonen]

Yeah, I’ve only ever confirmed that they were at the same spot on both skis.

[strange meadow lark]

Since mags are nerding out anyway: I seem to remember from a few years back that someone (PM Gear?) said to measure from the tip for some reason.

Am I remembering correctly, and if so: what was the idea behind it?

Yep, that was how I was told to mount Lhasas. I think I remember an explanation from Splat that was based on the big metal tip spacer he used being more stable in the press then the tail or something along those lines. Probably a “cunt hair” difference

[pfluffenmeister]

Is this where this goes? -1 R ST. Sick. Three turns to find the balance point. Rip soft groom. Suspension and pop. Merry XMas from the Great White North.
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Mmmm, beta rocker profile?
Same topsheet as mine (thought MO switched up the top on the production run) and I love my R120ST beta.

[mr_pretzel]

Nah I’m just stupid. Production 193 R110, no ST haha. Just had seconds down ‘lolo. Soo good. Plane great for me on the bump (directional skier). Of the 5 or so HLs, so far, this would be the one, but that’s stupid. Rad skis.
I love the production R ST, only problem is I’m not man enough to DD em. These solve that. Love the flex.
Marshal completes me…I mean kewl skis bru.

I was just going to text you and say wait til you get on the R110, it’s the one haha.

Merry xmas to the HL crew

[fleaches]

Finally got my FR110 mounted up and got to ski them today. They are exactly what I was after.

While I have a decent number of skis, I probably get the most use out of some M102s and Billy goats, which cover my bases pretty well. The goats are my favorite skis. I get along really well with the stance, I love the mass, and I love how you can just fly through trees on them with the confidence that you can throw them sideways and dump speed without thinking. I was looking for something that would feel kind of like the goats in terms of maneuverability and imperviousness to crud, but in more of an all mountain kind of ski. FR110 is exactly that. Super loose, super stable, great in the places the goats excel but still pretty fun on groomers and bumps too. I need to be careful not to do anything too stupid on them because you just feel invincible.



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[SnowMachine]

I will also say that measuring from the tail on swallowtails adds some fun to it. I ended up taping across the cutout so I could measure from the center of the ski in the same place on both, but it was annoying

Slide it against a baseboard. Measure from the baseboard.

[PeachesNCream]

I said it last year and I’ll say it again, fr110s are so good. Cover 90% of conditions reeeeeal well. Been on everything from rain crust to 12” of chopped pow the last couple days and crushed it all. The perfect run for these is pow through the trees, probably going faster than I should, hitting every little side booter, then carving a few nice turns on the groomer back to the lift. This is my favorite type of run and this is my favorite ski. Bravo, bravo


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[kid-kapow]

SF kindly sold me his FR110 186s, and I have a few days on them now mounted at -6.35 in perfect testing conditions. They are great skis, yet not for me.

I skied them back to back with ON3P Jeff108s and 118s over three days. While they are looser than either jeffs in tight spots, the other two are also very loose - if in a slightly different way (more floaty and loose from a longer, stiffer centered part).

The aim of the test was to find a new 110ish daily in a prt of a three ski quiver that would exceed my already excellent SF110 184s. For me Jeff108s is that ski - I felt instantly at home on them. Jeff108s ski a lot like a more soft snow optimized SF110, whereas FR110s are more of their own thing imho - meant as a huge compliment. I would pick the SF110 over the FR110 too - my technique is not good enough to run the FR110s as daily drivers / not kill myself at mach schnell on groomers at the end of the day when I do not pay attention. R110s might fit me better. I would choose SF110s over Jeff108s if I lived in an area that got less fresh snow and saw more re-freeze-cycles.

FR110´s build quality is excellent, as is Marshall's support - I cannot give him enough props. I would def recommend FR110s for use as a daily driver in snow rich locations where you are primarily off piste - they are superb in those scenarios imho if you love reverse rocker skis.

[mr_pretzel]

SF kindly sold me his FR110 186s, and I have a few days on them now mounted at -6.35 in perfect testing conditions. They are great skis, yet not for me.

I skied them back to back with ON3P Jeff108s and 118s over three days. While they are looser than either jeffs in tight spots, the other two are also very loose - if in a slightly different way (more floaty and loose from a longer, stiffer centered part).

The aim of the test was to find a new 110ish daily in a prt of a three ski quiver that would exceed my already excellent SF110 184s. For me Jeff108s is that ski - I felt instantly at home on them. Jeff108s ski a lot like a more soft snow optimized SF110, whereas FR110s are more of their own thing imho - meant as a huge compliment. I would pick the SF110 over the FR110 too - my technique is not good enough to run the FR110s as daily drivers / not kill myself at mach schnell on groomers at the end of the day when I do not pay attention. R110s might fit me better. I would choose SF110s over Jeff108s if I lived in an area that got less fresh snow and saw more re-freeze-cycles.

FR110´s build quality is excellent, as is Marshall's support - I cannot give him enough props. I would def recommend FR110s for use as a daily driver in snow rich locations where you are primarily off piste - they are superb in those scenarios imho if you love reverse rocker skis.

I would probably never recommend the FR110 to anyone i Norway so I’m not surprised. You should however mount up those AM100s you have, those will be a hoot I’m sure.

[zion zig zag]

SF kindly sold me his FR110 186s, and I have a few days on them now mounted at -6.35 in perfect testing conditions. They are great skis, yet not for me.

I skied them back to back with ON3P Jeff108s and 118s over three days. While they are looser than either jeffs in tight spots, the other two are also very loose - if in a slightly different way (more floaty and loose from a longer, stiffer centered part).

The aim of the test was to find a new 110ish daily in a prt of a three ski quiver that would exceed my already excellent SF110 184s. For me Jeff108s is that ski - I felt instantly at home on them. Jeff108s ski a lot like a more soft snow optimized SF110, whereas FR110s are more of their own thing imho - meant as a huge compliment. I would pick the SF110 over the FR110 too - my technique is not good enough to run the FR110s as daily drivers / not kill myself at mach schnell on groomers at the end of the day when I do not pay attention. R110s might fit me better. I would choose SF110s over Jeff108s if I lived in an area that got less fresh snow and saw more re-freeze-cycles.

FR110´s build quality is excellent, as is Marshall's support - I cannot give him enough props. I would def recommend FR110s for use as a daily driver in snow rich locations where you are primarily off piste - they are superb in those scenarios imho if you love reverse rocker skis.

So what you were saying is you have some FR 110’s for sale or what?


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[kid-kapow]

I would probably never recommend the FR110 to anyone i Norway

how come?

The FR110s would be excellent quiver skis, they are just not what I look for in a daily - something I kinda (in hindsight should) could have foreseen.

AM110s seem on point for my requirements for sure - more supportive flex pattern than I anticipated too.

[Lord Thomas]

If you're selling FR110's then I am officially putting myself in line.

[zion zig zag]

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[kid-kapow]

So what you were saying is you have some FR 110’s for sale or what?

If you're selling FR110's then I am officially putting myself in line.

They have already been re-homed to a new, loving home aka a local mag (we are based in Norway)

[paal]

^


I had an order with Marshal for 186 FR110s. He was kind enough to give me a refund when kid-kapow told me he was selling his.

Send Marshal an email. If you're lucky, you may be able to snag 'mine'. They were about to be shipped real soon.

[shank]

Soft chop murder weapons

Double bird drift thru glades

Punch above 110 waist in untracked

Don’t recommend for flat light ice bumps

10/10 resort new snow ski

[gaijin]

187 R110. Everything has been said. So easy.

I got it in some fresh ankle-deep, dense snow today. -2*c. Probably any pow ski’s nemesis of a snow. Pretty thick stuff.

Midfield down the fall line, floating at ankle depth, arcing railroad tracks at 50mph: “This is exactly why I bought this ski.”

I don’t have to do a goddamn thing. Not a sound. Not a finger.

[Shredeagle]

Someone up thread was asking why the tips are so abrupt on the Rs. I think this is why. They rise to the surface so well in the deep. I’m usually a big turn pow guy but man were these fun to lay some noodles down with. I could feel the skis actively working up toward the top thanks to that tip. I did my best Dean Conway imitation up top (old school jump between pow turns) then switched it up and was just doing short radius pow carves. Yes!!

I’m gonna try and A/B the Rs with the FRs this weekend. I skied the FRs a shitload last year in less than ideal conditions and I think taught me how to ski the reverse. Rs were love at first turn. There’s some magic in the FRs but I think it’s a bit harder to unlock.


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[asmvolatile]

R110 at recommended vs -1 (or even -2): plz discuss.

Are most folks on the “line”? Seems like Sylvan is at -1 but not sure about everyone else?

I’m waffling about mount point pretty hard. Skied last years demos (beta profile?) and really got along with them at -1, but felt there was a bit too much tail for me in bumps at recommended. Now the Rec point has moved forward more, but profile has also changed?

Is -2 psycho for this ski? Don’t want to make it into something it’s not, but that is what Marshal recommended.

Context: I like to ski fast but have knee issues and am not hitting anything >10ft anymore. Steep chalky bumps are my love language. Strong technique but I suck by Alta standards.