United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I realize many of you are in the industry, and relying on narcissistic doctors and dentists dollars, but if you think the medical lobbyist are not completely against anymimd of social program, and against all your hopes and dreams, pls watch this. Their lobbyists are very powerful.


https://x.com/profstonge/status/1867...114283392?s=61

That was a pretty simplistic view on why it costs more IMO. Yes lobbyists are a problem but even if you went back to lodge doctors and co-ops for primary care and hospital visits that doesn’t address specialty surgical care and intensivist physicians. Things have changed somewhat since WWI.

It would help if lobbyists didn’t have so much say in how the rules are written for access and reimbursement. Many(most) physicians that I work with would readily change to a universal single payer system or a very regulated insurance system like France.

You obviously have a beef with doctors and dentist and that’s understandable but some of your anger might be misdirected.


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[frorider]

Look, I will be the first to agree that there's plenty of blame to go around, not least medical providers (mea culpa). But the point of this rhetorical exercise (succinctly summarized by Luigi Mangione) is that our bloated, inefficient and ultimately inhumane healthcare system is largely driven by endstage capitalism rentseeking behavior with the medical insurance industry as a primary (albeit not sole) culprit.

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Totally agree, and I’ve stated that in this thread.

As a longterm poster I sometimes (wrongly) assume that my dry humor will get recognized or assumed. A bit like Highangle I guess, I’ll post a table with ‘40% Other’ in there and assume people will also find that amusing.

My doctor friends in the US earning hudge salaries do work long hours. Would they work 40 hrs & be happy earning 100 or 120k like an equivalent doc in many first world countries? Doubtful.

I went into this thread thinking we were all a bit glazed by all the well-researched studies and articles attempting to break down why things are so fucked up here. So many primary factors. For example, a few yrs ago I read a study that compared Texas to some other states & concluded that the insane number of diagnostic centers there reflected the doctors’ strategy of over subscribing to all diagnostics in order to (understandably) protect themselves from insane malpractice lawsuit awards common in that state.

The fuckery of insurance companies is legion & it’s good to see it spotlighted—AOC had a pithy quote today—but in addition to serving the capitalist beast they’re also being asked to function, in their sick way, as a panel making the ethical judgements that ideally would be decided by groups not directly tied to the gravy train yet also educated about & accountable, broadly, for the costs.

[MultiVerse]

Something we can all agree on: McKinsey sucks. McKinsey will pay $650 million for opioid work after settlement with DOJ. The consulting firm McKinsey has entered into a deferred prosecution agreement to resolve a Department of Justice investigation.

[riser4]

Something we can all agree on: McKinsey sucks. McKinsey will pay $650 million for opioid work after settlement with DOJ. The consulting firm McKinsey has entered into a deferred prosecution agreement to resolve a Department of Justice investigation.

Evil to the core. A lot of the corporate hell of the modern age is attributable to them. They deserve to spend eternity with Satan giving them the flaming pineapple on the end of a spikey baseball bat, sideways.

[Peruvian]

Evil to the core. A lot of the corporate hell of the modern age is attributable to them. They deserve to spend eternity with Satan giving them the flaming pineapple on the end of a spikey baseball bat, sideways.

Is that any worse than Taco Bell the next morning?

[Conundrum]

Side note. Our regional health insurance company employees local to me have been advised not to wear clothing with the company logo out in public and to stay off social media for anything work related for the time being.

[riser4]

Is that any worse than Taco Bell the next morning?

Dunno, I only have experience with Taco Bell, not the other.

[Kevo]

Prediction- hype will die down until the Luigi’s trial (if there is one) then the trial will be a bit of spectacle.

Then the media will then move on the next mass shooting or recent tragedy of sensation and the health industrial complex will continue to fuck over millions of people every year.

Executives protection as an industry will boom. Nothing will change for the better.

The US will never fix the foundational problems until those problems actually bring down the country so the symptoms including healthcare being fucked will get worse and worse.

So long as political bribery is legal nothing will get better.

[dan_pdx]

"Insurers aren't the bad guys beause they make a 6% profit"

FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Their 6% margins are achieved by imposing at least 30% excess costs on everyone else, per that graphic. They deal in volume, so they don't need high margins to parasitically profit.

And what good is a graphic that allocates 40% of excess to the highly descriptive category of "other" and claims that nurses are paid excessively?

QFT. The corporate equivalent of tweakers who break your car window to steal $0.50 from the console.

[neufox47]

If the C suite is afraid of getting shot will common sense gun control legislation start getting passed?


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[Conundrum]

The only answer to this is good CEOs with guns.

[dan_pdx]

If the C suite is afraid of getting shot will common sense gun control legislation start getting passed?


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I remember the Black Panthers exercising their 2A rights helped move forward the gun control conversation in California

[jackstraw]

With more CEO's needing security, now is a good time to open a security company. But if the CEO you're getting paid to protect gets shot and killed will your insurance cover your losses or will it get denied due to negligence?

[exsparky]

Attachment 507333

That's low. Its more like 750,000 Maybe 2,000,000
https://berniesanders.com/medical-bankruptcy/





On the bright side ZERO dead people complained about their bill.

[nickwm21]

I caught up with a family member in the tangential business to executive security the other week. Needless to say, they have received quite a few add service calls from clients…

Also - they were Absolutely flabbergasted why Thompson didn’t have his detail with him, especially considering the industry he was in and the threats he received.


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[dan_pdx]

With more CEO's needing security, now is a good time to open a security company. But if the CEO you're getting paid to protect gets shot and killed will your insurance cover your losses or will it get denied due to negligence?

You have to hedge by taking out life insurance on the subject. The security company hedges by taking out liability insurance in case they fail to uphold their contract. Then you securitize the whole thing so we can bet on the outcomes. What a wonderful time to be alive!

[jackstraw]

I caught up with a family member in the tangential business to executive security the other week. Needless to say, they have received quite a few add service calls from clients…

Also - they were Absolutely flabbergasted why Thompson didn’t have his detail with him, especially considering the industry he was in and the threats he received.


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It's a crazy job. Something I know zero about, but it seems like if someone wants to take a CEO or whoever out, they're going to. It's not like SS who secure every step ahead of time and jump in front of a bullet for the president...which is another thing I can't comprehend. They'll probably take the killer out and in this case probably would have saved his life as he wouldn't have got all those shots off.

[LeeLau]

You have to hedge by taking out life insurance on the subject. The security company hedges by taking out liability insurance in case they fail to uphold their contract. Then you securitize the whole thing so we can bet on the outcomes. What a wonderful time to be alive!

Yess! Now we're talking.

We can package the insurance policies on execs. And quote options on the product.

We could have r/wallstreetexecliveordie

Maybe dedicate betting pools on Flutter too

[Ted Striker]

Nick Hanauer called it a decade ago

https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_hanau...ng?subtitle=en

[J. Barron DeJong]

This chart is insane.



https://jabberwocking.com/all-the-ob...-denial-rates/

[XXX-er]

Mass shooting of a grade school/ shopping mall/ post office is not so popular but offing an executive doesnt really get lot of pushback, it wouldn't suprise me if we see the disgruntled shooter hitting corporate targets not just health CEO'si

[RTsucks]

It's always the rich who are the problem. MV is on point.

Edit: looks like he deleted.

[MontuckyFried]

Something we can all agree on: McKinsey sucks. McKinsey will pay $650 million for opioid work after settlement with DOJ. The consulting firm McKinsey has entered into a deferred prosecution agreement to resolve a Department of Justice investigation.

Evil to the core. A lot of the corporate hell of the modern age is attributable to them. They deserve to spend eternity with Satan giving them the flaming pineapple on the end of a spikey baseball bat, sideways.

It's true!!! Sadly, very few people seem to know how much that one group of asshats has completely dicked over the entire country on SUCH a deep level. And the idiots in the C-Suites keep PAYING for the privilege to be taught how to dick over their employees and customers. For the uninitiated, this should be required viewing. It's insane...

[dunfree]

Good industry making people feel sorry for rich people, and celebrating people who murder poor people. Lots of bootlickers.


and it ain’t just McKinsey, management consultants are worthless corporate rot. If you see one, get a new job.

[MultiVerse]

It's always the rich who are the problem. MV is on point.

Edit: looks like he deleted.

heh, I'm not being a commie whiner here, I just want better, more daring less rent seeking rich people

Brian Thompson's murderer was just a bored rich kid. Bored rich kids with murderous delusions about politics are the worst kind of revolutionaries. Lenin came from an upper class family in the social status of the nobility. His brother was hung for plotting the assassination of the Tsar in 1887. If only the brothers wanted democracy instead.

Castro was born into a landowning family and married into an even wealthier family who went on to produce American congressmen. Che's father was a successful doctor. Marx, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Allende, Mossadegh all came from comfortable or rich families. The famines and starvation they produced after taking control show well educated rich revolutionaries violently oppose the actual working peasants they claim to champion