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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    It seems like a sentinel moment, or I hope it is.
    Naah, with our shortened attention spans, it'll blow over. Remember Occupy Wall Street? What was that again? Something something against billionaires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    It seems like a sentinel moment, or I hope it is.

    It sucks a guy had to die to really bring it to the forefront of the consciousness of this country. I kinda doubt it though, we haven't learned anything in 20 years since Columbine. I don't think you can stop the momentum of investors demanding high returns and the constant pressure to make more and more money.
    The thing I really find amusing is the Dump Administrations hostility to Veterans who were trained to kill people So far all I am reading is how every appointee wants to cut VA benefits. That is certainly going to end well.
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    Never in U.S. history has the public chosen leadership this malevolent. The moral clarity of their decision is crystalline, particularly knowing how Trump will regard his slim margin as a “mandate” to do his worst. We’ve learned something about America that we didn’t know, or perhaps didn’t believe, and it’ll forever color our individual judgments of who and what we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate View Post
    Naah, with our shortened attention spans, it'll blow over. Remember Occupy Wall Street? What was that again? Something something against billionaires?
    Yeah, I'm not naive.

    Money/greed will trump one CEOs (or a bunch of em) death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate View Post
    Naah, with our shortened attention spans, it'll blow over. Remember Occupy Wall Street? What was that again? Something something against billionaires?
    That's because the game is always about incremental reforms. Occupy Wall Street was incredibly dumb with zero substantive policy proposals. Defund the police caused a surge in crime and was wildly unpopular with voters. Almost as unpopular student loan forgiveness and decolonizing Israel.

    Obama's health care reform cost Dems two elections because they tried to standardize the hodgepodge mishmash of quality measurement, risk adjustments, payment models, and prior authorization rules that caused the administration cost spike in your chart.

    High administrative costs in the US are more to blame than insurance companies. Health insurers are the low-paid low status middlemen who exist to play the bad guy in the bloated U.S. health care system. The real villains overcharging people, and making health care workers lives miserable with all the coding, are the hospitals themselves.

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    "High administrative costs in the US reflect some unique aspects of the US health care system and those aspects reflect more specific societal values. For example, in part, high administrative costs stem from the value individuals in the US place on choice.1 A desire for choice gives rise to fragmentation of payers, which in turn generates complexity in billing and expenses related to plan choice (such as marketing costs). Some of these costs might be lowered with standardization of key administrative functions (such as standardized claims forms) or improved information technology capabilities (interoperability of medical records is of high importance), but other costs, such as marketing, are inherent when there is choice among plans."

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2785479

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv[emoji638
    ski;[emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji639]][emoji637][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji639]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji637][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]]]The think I really find amusing is the Dump Administrations hostility to Veterans who were trained to kill people So far all I am reading is how every appointee wants to cut VA benefits. That is certainly going to end well. :rolleyes[emoji638]
    I’m going to be pissed if they take combat veterans health benefits away. That’s the only thing that would allow me to retire early, not that sixty is very early.


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    The VA is a lot better now too. VA health care now consistently outperforms non-VA care in studies of overall quality ratings, and affordability for Veterans. Some of the best applied research on Covid came from the VA. They were very quick on their feet during the pandemic. Also, lots of residents do VA rotations. They play a big role in educating doctors, NPs, PAs, and nurses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    It seems like a sentinel moment, or I hope it is.

    It sucks a guy had to die to really bring it to the forefront of the consciousness of this country. I kinda doubt it though, we haven't learned anything in 20 years since Columbine. I don't think you can stop the momentum of investors demanding high returns and the constant pressure to make more and more money.
    History has shown (as did the 2024 election) that in periods of widespread discontent and simmering political violence, when the demagogues arise the oligarchs ALWAYS think they can ride the tiger. Soon enough, they discover that he who rides a tiger cannot dismount.

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    The government is not going to take VA benefits away, they're just going to privatize it (sell it to the highest bidder) and then the CEO's will take it away.

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    Tangible change is difficult for myriad reasons. Shortened attention spans, sure, but it's also learned helplessness after decades of being stepped on. The burden of change is on those without means (time, resources) when all Money has to do is hold the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain View Post
    The government is not going to take VA benefits away, they're just going to privatize it (sell it to the highest bidder) and then the CEO's will take it away.
    FWIW, the Veterans Choice Program (VCP) already allows vets to seek out privatized health care if they want it. Some do. Many more prefer the VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    I’m going to be pissed if they take combat veterans health benefits away. That’s the only thing that would allow me to retire early, not that sixty is very early.


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    Are they taking the health benefits away, or instead giving vets a stipend so they can go to non-VA doctors? Analogous to Funding Public Schools (free VA healthcare) vs Giving School Vouchers (stipend to go out of VA network)? Seems likely to be detrimental to vets, but IDK?

    I thought that was what Pete Hegseth was talking about, but i very likely could be misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    FWIW, the Veterans Choice Program (VCP) already allows vets to seek out privatized health care if they want it. Some do. Many more prefer the VA
    Veterans Choice is really about letting people get their care locally instead of having to travel great distances. Also, it addressed excessive wait times (>30 days) for care. And definitely many vets strongly prefer to go to VA as they feel "understood" at VA.
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    Right, but now wait times are frequently longer in the private system than the VA depending on the type of care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    It sucks a guy had to die to really bring it to the forefront of the consciousness of this country. I kinda doubt it though, we haven't learned anything in 20 years since Columbine. I don't think you can stop the momentum of investors demanding high returns and the constant pressure to make more and more money.
    We have learned one thing since Columbine - a lot more kids got shot. Maybe CEOs will take the mantle giving kids a break.

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    Perhaps the most important takeaway is every American deserves the same resources as a corporate CEO when comes to being a victim of violent crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Perhaps the most important takeaway is every American deserves the same resources as a corporate CEO when comes to being a victim of violent crime
    That's a bipartisan policy suggestion I can get behind. Or at least, I think it's bipartisan, maybe that's too optimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    It seems like a sentinel moment, or I hope it is.

    It sucks a guy had to die to really bring it to the forefront of the consciousness of this country. I kinda doubt it though, we haven't learned anything in 20 years since Columbine. I don't think you can stop the momentum of investors demanding high returns and the constant pressure to make more and more money.
    If anything you're going to have to convert dead children to fractions of a CEO before anyone cares.

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    I’ve always felt healthcare should be either full boat barbaric capitalism (you can’t pay, you die) or full single payer socialism.

    This grey area in between is how we got to this closed market between providers and insurance where cost spiral and the people don’t have a seat at the table.

    You need to either make it a competition or control the entire thing….


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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Perhaps the most important takeaway is every American deserves the same resources as a corporate CEO when comes to being a victim of violent crime
    every ceo deserves the same opportunity as the average american to be a victim of violent crime.
    swing your fucking sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    every ceo deserves the same opportunity as the average american to be a victim of violent crime.
    Why do you hate our hard-working job creators?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    Why do you hate our hard-working job creators?
    no hate, just equal opportunities for all.
    swing your fucking sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    no hate, just equal opportunities for all.
    That's a good American value but you forgot that CEOs are more equal

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