Fischer RC4 Pro MV vs. LV.

[DarthMarkus]

Curious if anyone has skied, or tried on one or both boots. I'm slightly annoyed they're not doing BOA on the LV, and it kind of makes me a little skeptical of it's performance.

I've been skiing the mach1 LV 130. Love the heel hold, but don't love the instep height. I've also needed to do 6th toe punches. Not a big deal, but kind of annoying to do on every boot I get. I've also skied the cochise 130 - okay boot, but doesn't have the performance the mach1 gives.

Would love any comparisons or insight that someone may have in regard to the new Fischer boots. i.e. should I be going into the LV given my current boots. Can the zipfits accommodate for any increased volume in the MV I don't want? Etc.

[ezgzy]

If you’re willing to wait a year i think they’re bringing the LV out for next season, they wanted to get the MV on the market first since it has the broadest appeal


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[2FUNKY]

Wore the RC4 Pro in the shop for about 30mins while having some zipfit work done for my Atomic hawx 130 Prime S.
Initial thoughts; needed a sixth toe punch, nothing major and who knows, maybe the liner would compress enough to not need it. I don’t see this as a negative as that tells me the shell size is perfect for the rest of my foot.
Cuff volume was nice and would benefit having cork injected.
Instep felt fine, I have a high instep, it could use a little room for me personally which could be achieved.
Nice and snug toe box, not crazy.
Slight discomfort on the arch of foot that a heat mold would fix.
Warm shop flex felt excellent, nice and powerful.
The BOA is awesome and gave a nice custom wrap feeling of the forefoot.
I’m really excited about this boot and may move to it next season. It seems like a ton of money to fork out but honestly if you break it down it’s not that bad. BOA, Zipfit, kevlar cuff, world cup level boot.
Hope this helps.


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[DarthMarkus]

Wore the RC4 Pro in the shop for about 30mins while having some zipfit work done for my Atomic hawx 130 Prime S.
Initial thoughts; needed a sixth toe punch, nothing major and who knows, maybe the liner would compress enough to not need it. I don’t see this as a negative as that tells me the shell size is perfect for the rest of my foot.
Cuff volume was nice and would benefit having cork injected.
Instep felt fine, I have a high instep, it could use a little room for me personally which could be achieved.
Nice and snug toe box, not crazy.
Slight discomfort on the arch of foot that a heat mold would fix.
Warm shop flex felt excellent, nice and powerful.
The BOA is awesome and gave a nice custom wrap feeling of the forefoot.
I’m really excited about this boot and may move to it next season. It seems like a ton of money to fork out but honestly if you break it down it’s not that bad. BOA, Zipfit, kevlar cuff, world cup level boot.
Hope this helps.


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Appreciate the feedback! Wish I had some more recent Atomic boots on my foot for a better gauge. For what it's worth, I used to ski the touring version of the Volt/Burner before they did the livefit - not sure if that's anything close to any of the Hawx iterations. Also skied the questmax 130 and Ghost. As for the price, it is a bit to cough up, but when you take into account a stock liner that'll theoretically see 1000+ days, it's a worthy investment. That's why I'm considering it.

[tompietrowski]

Me and Christoph both skied each others boa boots this season. I was very impressed by the rc4. Very similar fit to our recon boa overall. Ours possibly closes a little more in the toe due to the shell design but it’s very close.

I also skied the lv version in the 140 flex with the zipfit and I really rate that boot. It was by far my favorite lv boot I tested of this season boots. Can’t wait to try it hopefully with a boa soon.

[SWskier]

Me and Christoph both skied each others boa boots this season. I was very impressed by the rc4. Very similar fit to our recon boa overall. Ours possibly closes a little more in the toe due to the shell design but it’s very close.

I also skied the lv version in the 140 flex with the zipfit and I really rate that boot. It was by far my favorite lv boot I tested of this season boots. Can’t wait to try it hopefully with a boa soon.

I had these two boots on side by side today in the shop. I agree, damn near identical fit, though the Recon is a bit snugger in the forefoot/toe.

How did the instep height in the LV compare?

The non-pro/zip MV for me had a good instep height, but was a bit loose everywhere else. Wondering if I can make the Pro LV work.

[SWskier]

Curious if anyone has skied, or tried on one or both boots. I'm slightly annoyed they're not doing BOA on the LV, and it kind of makes me a little skeptical of it's performance.

I've been skiing the mach1 LV 130. Love the heel hold, but don't love the instep height. I've also needed to do 6th toe punches. Not a big deal, but kind of annoying to do on every boot I get. I've also skied the cochise 130 - okay boot, but doesn't have the performance the mach1 gives.

Would love any comparisons or insight that someone may have in regard to the new Fischer boots. i.e. should I be going into the LV given my current boots. Can the zipfits accommodate for any increased volume in the MV I don't want? Etc.

I'm in the same position here, Mach 1 LV is too crushing. Did a season in the MV, instep was perfect, but pretty loose elsewhere. I have a tall instep, but a narrow foot/ankle/leg. Hoping the RC4 Pro LV fits somewhere in the middle.

[tompietrowski]

I had these two boots on side by side today in the shop. I agree, damn near identical fit, though the Recon is a bit snugger in the forefoot/toe.

How did the instep height in the LV compare?

The non-pro/zip MV for me had a good instep height, but was a bit loose everywhere else. Wondering if I can make the Pro LV work.

It’s a little hard to tell as you are comparing buckle to boa so they will feel different. The lv for sure put more pressure down on the instep but that’s the nature of the buckle shells. But the shell check is slightly lower as I recall so you should find a snugger fit in the instep compared to the mv.

[DarthMarkus]

After reading enough about the MV, I decided it was too risky due to volume and I'm still undecided on boa. Pulled the trigger on the RC4 Pro LV. I'm fully expecting to throw them into the Vac machine with pads on my 6th toe, navicular, and instep and crank the pressure to make sure the ankle pocket doesn't expand. Further adjustments I'll try and work out with the ZipFit. It didn't say it before, but now Fischer is advertising it as a Vacuum compatible boot. If the Vac machine doesn't fix any of my problem areas, I'm willing to adjust as necessary using normal punches.

tl;dr - the MV boa is too risky for me having tiny skinny ankles. Will adjust the liner and/or shell as necessary.

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[flyingskiguy]

skied both the MV boa and LV RC4s pros, and ended up settling on the LV to keep. The MV and LV have pretty different constructions - the LV is the burlier boot. The boa mechanism for the MV was awesome and very comfortable, but too much room in the instep gave me a lot of shell deformation. The LV needed a punch in the forefoot which went very smoothly. Have the LV's set up with the boot board heel risers, spoilers, and forward lean @ 14 degrees and the fit/feel is perfect. Using with pivots for reference.

also first experience with a Zipfit liner, and I'm pretty sold. Injected a full tube of cork into each tongue and the support is incredible, with even pressure across the shins and no shinbang whatsoever. Spent some time massaging the cork into the right spots, and the heel hold is wild.

[Berling]

Hi!

Do you mind telling what size you went with on the PRO lv Zipfit? also, what mondo are your feet? Im very intressed in this boot but no shops nearby stock them. Thanks in advance!

[Evil E]

whats your foot shape like? Ive wanted to order these, but I cant find anyone who has them to try on.

[flyingskiguy]

Hi!

Do you mind telling what size you went with on the PRO lv Zipfit? also, what mondo are your feet? Im very intressed in this boot but no shops nearby stock them. Thanks in advance!

26.5, i measure about a 26.

whats your foot shape like? Ive wanted to order these, but I cant find anyone who has them to try on.

flat, very wide, low-ish instep, somewhat prominent heel, average ankle.

[Evil E]

thanks, I like 98mm last boots but have a big arch and probably need the MV version. Looks like a few shops west of here have some for me to try. I think the MV 120 might be best for me. I highly doubt i need a 140 flex boot

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

skied both the MV boa and LV RC4s pros, and ended up settling on the LV to keep. The MV and LV have pretty different constructions - the LV is the burlier boot. The boa mechanism for the MV was awesome and very comfortable, but too much room in the instep gave me a lot of shell deformation. The LV needed a punch in the forefoot which went very smoothly. Have the LV's set up with the boot board heel risers, spoilers, and forward lean @ 14 degrees and the fit/feel is perfect. Using with pivots for reference.

also first experience with a Zipfit liner, and I'm pretty sold. Injected a full tube of cork into each tongue and the support is incredible, with even pressure across the shins and no shinbang whatsoever. Spent some time massaging the cork into the right spots, and the heel hold is wild.

How did these turn out for you boss? I’m debating snagging a pair to try as I’m getting some nasty shin bang in my shadow 130.

[Rob Stokes]

What width are they saying the LV is vs the MV?

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[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

What width are they saying the LV is vs the MV?

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I think it’s 98 vs 100. I tried the MV on and the instep was pretty high. Hoping the LV will be lower.

[Eastside]

Bump.

I’m considering the RC4 Pro MV or LV-probably MV cause I want the BOA. I really need zip fits and considering what I can get the whole damn enchilada for, it makes sense (kinda) to buy the Fischer with stick ZFs

I assume the Zip Fit is similar or exactly the same as a model they already produce-no reduced quality.

[flyingskiguy]

How did these turn out for you boss? I’m debating snagging a pair to try as I’m getting some nasty shin bang in my shadow 130.

only just seeing this now. here are my thoughts on the LV: probably the best fitting, snuggest pair boots I've ever owned. Once the cork was all dialed in and any spare room in the shell taken up... this boot was brutally, race boot stiff. Excellent carving machine. The LV is a higher end boot than the MV as well, with more options built in for cuff alignment and stance modification. A future LV with boa on the lower shell would be incredible too, very sold on boa.

funny enough, I've since sold these and I'm moving to a shadow LV 130 + zipfit setup. the stiffness of the RC4 pro simply made it too niche of a boot for me. Really beat me up in chop where I'm after a better suspension.

i'd try zips in your langes before fully moving to a new boot, that'll sooner fix your shinbang than a new shell.

[WWCD]

This might be a very stupid question, but as I’ll be in the market for boots for this first time in years, I should probably know.

Are the volume choices based on desired performance?
I always assumed it was based on foot shape.


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[FloridaSnow]

This might be a very stupid question, but as I’ll be in the market for boots for this first time in years, I should probably know.

Are the volume choices based on desired performance?
I always assumed it was based on foot shape.


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based off the volume of your foot ideally. Skinny, normal or fat

[WWCD]

Oh good.
I’m not as dumb as I thought.


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[LCC-ski]

The RC4 ZipFit liners are very similar to the Gara LV, with a few minor/notable differences. Here's a breakdown of the differences for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8N9oChFJjs

[gregL]

I've been skiing the mach1 LV 130. Love the heel hold, but don't love the instep height. I've also needed to do 6th toe punches. Not a big deal, but kind of annoying to do on every boot I get. I've also skied the cochise 130 - okay boot, but doesn't have the performance the mach1 gives.

If you're happy with the Tecnica Mach 1 LV you'll be swimming in the RC4 MV. It's possible to raise the instep/drop the bootboard on the Mach 1 as well as widen the boot at the fifth met heads, that's what bootfitters do. If you have to widen the forefoot of every boot you have a decent fit around the midfoot and ankle in, cultivate a relationship with a bootfitter or learn to work on them yourself.

[Eastside]

The RC4 ZipFit liners are very similar to the Gara LV, with a few minor/notable differences. Here's a breakdown of the differences for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8N9oChFJjs

Sweet. I guess my search Fu sucks