Home Remodel: Do, Don'ts, Advice

[Djongo Unchained]

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I've got 3 weeks of painting logs lined up for October. Ultra fine line at the chinking, no splashing over. Gonna be around $65hr and that's for friends. Super casual environment in a beauty venue on a listed historical cabin from GTNP.

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The time and aggravation saved by spray painting a garage is worth the money. Particularly if you're going over old brown papered sheetrock. That'll suck the primer from the can without any application.
Drop cloths and a papertaper are key. And a hat, mask and glasses for overhead. Extensions and an angle adapter on spray gun really make it easy.

[Foggy_Goggles]

How many coats and which ones to you back roll DJ?

And yeah, you can tell a real paper by their foo with the handymasker.

If you don't have the drops (they are kinda pricey) a shitty blue tarp, some 4mill., no red rosin will do the trick.

Yes, prep is the game, when you feel like it is taking forever, asking if you are taking too much time, and itching to get the paint out, you are doing it just right.

[Name Redacted]

I was a painter a few times in my life. Yeah. Prep is key. Especially with a sprayer, which I do have, I just have more money than time these days, which aint sayin much. Just painted my truck bed and that was enough time wasted for me.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

How many coats and which ones to you back roll DJ?

And yeah, you can tell a real paper by their foo with the handymasker.

If you don't have the drops (they are kinda pricey) a shitty blue tarp, some 4mill., no red rosin will do the trick.

Yes, prep is the game, when you feel like it is taking forever, asking if you are taking too much time, and itching to get the paint out, you are doing it just right.

We did finally buy some real canvas drop cloths a few years ago, it was an excellent expenditure of funds.

[XXX-er]

the guy who owned my place is or was a painter, the neighbor said he watched him powerwash and shoot the place super fast like in a couple days for a 2 story box

There is something to be said for the cheesy aluminium siding, it doesnt rot its exactly the same as it was 50 yrs ago I will probably get him to shoot it again

[The AD]

A medium duty 12x15 canvas drop cloth is $37 at my Home Depot. Seems sort of ridiculous for a sheet of canvas, but I suppose if would more or less last forever unless you're a full-time painter.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Right, but you'd spend a couple hundred bucks on drops for a garage. You know what is really expensive? Ram Board, good tape and the underpadding. Labor and materials goes $3-5K on these big houses.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

A medium duty 12x15 canvas drop cloth is $37 at my Home Depot. Seems sort of ridiculous for a sheet of canvas, but I suppose if would more or less last forever unless you're a full-time painter.

What I really like is they hold onto the dust when you're prepping/sanding. Helps keep things clean in the house.

[singlesline]

The time and aggravation saved by spray painting a garage is worth the money. Particularly if you're going over old brown papered sheetrock. That'll suck the primer from the can without any application.
Drop cloths and a papertaper are key. And a hat, mask and glasses for overhead. Extensions and an angle adapter on spray gun really make it easy.

I certainly know for next time, it sure ain't no 10x12 bedroom with 8' ceilings....but the hard part's all over now. Looks pretty good actually, but I have enough paint leftover that I think tonight I'm gonna throw a second coat on the walls just for durability.

Drywall was circa 2008. Honestly the worst part of the project was still the mud work. I got better by the end, but I'm still painfully slow (especially up on a ladder on the high ceiling). Compounded by it being a real hack job to start (why would they spend any time on a garage they know they won't have to come back and finish?) and it had just gotten worse over time as it saw wear+tear and the building settling. I replaced some of the failed tape, but also just mudded over a lot of questionable stuff (garage after all). And that was only really taking it to a level 2 finish...trying to actually get it interior-nice would have been torture.

Can still see all the drywall seams (and most of the screw holes) in the right light, but that's partially by design...gonna make life easier when I start mounting bikes, skis, tools, etc. and can see where everything is.

[dan_pdx]

In Europe now admiring all the super tight tilt/swing open windows. Why don't we use those in the US?

[Foggy_Goggles]

You can get them. I've installed a bunch. The main reason is the industry is, on balance, lazy and its easier to do the same old same old. And most customers are resistant to change.

[The AD]

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Drop cloths and a papertaper are key. And a hat, mask and glasses for overhead. Extensions and an angle adapter on spray gun really make it easy.

My wife got one of those spray shields and that is useful to help to prevent overspray.

[Djongo Unchained]

I was a painter a few times in my life. Yeah. Prep is key. Especially with a sprayer, which I do have, I just have more money than time these days, which aint sayin much.

Everybody can paint. Not everyone's a painter, that's for sure. If a guy can afford to not paint, that's the way to go.

How many coats and which ones to you back roll DJ?

Lotsa variables here: level of quality going for, substrate material, application material, how many workers. Whether the material tends to run or hold fast. In a huge home w/new sheetrock walls and good paint, me and 2 dudes backrolling with 18" rollers could knock out a fuckton of wallspace. Backbrushing log exterior, otoh, is slower and ya have to keep looking until no more holidays/sags.
I'm spraying new A/C plywood in a mudroom and not even backrolling it. just lighter smooth layers. The whole room shoots in about 20 minutes. Easier to just do laps.

the guy who owned my place is or was a painter, the neighbor said he watched him powerwash and shoot the place super fast like in a couple days for a 2 story box

Like anything, when you do it for a living it's often easiest for oneself.

A medium duty 12x15 canvas drop cloth is $37 at my Home Depot. Seems sort of ridiculous for a sheet of canvas, but I suppose if would more or less last forever unless you're a full-time painter.

Not the cheapest place but still not bad. That's a big square. I use mostly 4x12 or 8x12.

Right, but you'd spend a couple hundred bucks on drops for a garage. You know what is really expensive? Ram Board, good tape and the underpadding. Labor and materials goes $3-5K on these big houses.

And some fucking sub will still find a way to gouge the floors.

In Europe now admiring all the super tight tilt/swing open windows. Why don't we use those in the US?

I second this emotion.

My wife got one of those spray shields and that is useful to have to prevent overspray.

The larger proper shields make spraying super fast. A good painter with a shield and a sprayer can knock out a 2k sqft. house in a day.

[skaredshtles]

In Europe now admiring all the super tight tilt/swing open windows. Why don't we use those in the US?

I've always found them interesting... but TBH I'm not sure what the practical advantage is to these sorts of windows?

[jackattack]

I've always found them interesting... but TBH I'm not sure what the practical advantage is to these sorts of windows?

They're double/triple pane and are gasketed against the window frame to contribute to good air-sealing of the house.
When swung open they provide better egress, like a casement window.
When tilted they provide draft-free ventilation and security from intruders.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Local builder installs these Canadian made tilt and turns, they are a major selling point and customers love them. They are very nice and built very well.

https://www.innotech-windows.com/win...t-turn-windows

[singlesline]

You can get them. I've installed a bunch. The main reason is the industry is, on balance, lazy and its easier to do the same old same old. And most customers are resistant to change.

And screens right? Americans love screens outside of a few areas.

I know there are screen solutions for some of them, but most of the tilt+turn windows you seen in Europe don't have screens and aren't even built to accept them.

[skaredshtles]

They're double/triple pane and are gasketed against the window frame to contribute to good air-sealing of the house.
When swung open they provide better egress, like a casement window.
When tilted they provide draft-free ventilation and security from intruders.

The ones I've seen have never had screens in them - would screens even work with these types of windows?

ETA: Heh - singlesline and I posted about screens at the same time.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Ha...I hate screens. But I don't really have too many bugs here.

[adrenalated]

We rented a house with no screens a couple years ago while in between owned places.. There was also a wasp problem. That was fun. I like screens.

[skaredshtles]

Ha...I hate screens. But I don't really have too many bugs here.

I mean - it'd be nice to NOT have to use screens, but I like my house free of paper wasps and yellowjackets.

[Djongo Unchained]

In winter you can just open the top, lose a little heat and blow the smoke out.

[skaredshtles]

In winter you can just open the top, lose a little heat and blow the smoke out.

Smoking indoors? What is this, 1975?

[singlesline]

I don't like mosquitoes inside and I don't like my cat outside...so screens are pretty handy.

[Djongo Unchained]

Smoking indoors? What is this, 1975?

Pulling tubes on the front porch is frowned upon.