Ode to the DPS Lotus 138 (and Volant Spatula)

[summit]

I swap vipec and tecton on and off the heel track... all you need is a phillips

I feel like most of the time the amount snow that finds its way to the topsheets far exceeds the difference in weight between tectons and lighter bindings for a big ski like the 138 192 skinning in soft snow.

Ultra light is for corn!

[1000-oaks]

Vipec/Tecton/Xenic all use the same heel plate.

[TAFKALVS]

Well, sounds like that’s an easy solution

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I wonder how a Xenic heel and Vipec/Tecton toe would work


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I wonder how a Xenic heel and Vipec/Tecton toe would work


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[1000-oaks]

Would be safer for knees, but hard to say about retention.

[shank]

Bidirectional lateral release in toe+heel seems like a lot of slop to introduce, to make it manageable I think you’d need to crank up release values on both ends to the point that you’d lose the safety advantage of the tecton toe. I feel like this came up in one of the fritschi threads and it was reported to have been tried to pretty mediocre returns.


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[summit]

Hey it's the touring version of the KneeBinding

Maybe don't use that in no-fall terrain.

[TAFKALVS]

I was suggesting a Vipec heel not a Xenic heel fwiw.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I was suggesting a Vipec heel not a Xenic heel fwiw.

Yeah it’s not something I would do just spinning wheels


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[Cocximus]

Too bad the xenice toe mounting pattern is different.

[PlayItLeo]

Sping skiing 50 degree mush in the middle of February?!? Perfect tool for the job.



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[TeleBeaver]

Any DPS historians know if the black topsheet, bamboo sidewall lotus 120s have the same topsheet delam/carbon splinter issues as the red topsheet black sidewall version? Same sidecut, length, both flex 2. I have a pair of vintage red ones right now but after absolutely filling my shoulder with carbon splinters (through my shell and baselayer) hiking back to the car, I'm considering other options. Love the way they ski, hate the topsheet peeling up and the carbon splinter issues. They also have a delam in the base at the tip so their days are numbered anyway...

[Buster Highmen]

Any DPS historians know if the black topsheet, bamboo sidewall lotus 120s have the same topsheet delam/carbon splinter issues as the red topsheet black sidewall version? Same sidecut, length, both flex 2. I have a pair of vintage red ones right now but after absolutely filling my shoulder with carbon splinters (through my shell and baselayer) hiking back to the car, I'm considering other options. Love the way they ski, hate the topsheet peeling up and the carbon splinter issues. They also have a delam in the base at the tip so their days are numbered anyway...

different skis entirely. the og black bamboos had much less tip rocker. no carbon splinter problems for my og pairs

[Core Shot]

At the risk of sacrilege look at the heritage labs swallowtail.
120 inspired and updated. And non carbon.
Haven’t tried them but very intriguing.
Marshall was a hudge 120 fan.

[TeleBeaver]

different skis entirely. the og black bamboos had much less tip rocker. no carbon splinter problems for my og pairs

Weight is probably different too then eh? The red pair I have are 1950g per ski. "Pure carbon + nano" on the topsheet. Use these as touring skis so looking for around 2000g. My blue pure 3's were very durable but I prefer the way the red ones ski, much softer and bigger tip rocker for skiing more slowly in soft touring boots. Would have kept the pure 3's, but tried to have them tuned and the base was so thin on one ski that carbon started poking out. They were factory demos so perhaps seconds, and after closer inspection the edge on that one ski was also paper thin, like it had been through the grinder 100 times.

Will check out the heritage lab offering, but I have a line on a used black topsheet/bamboo sidewall pair.

[summit]

Black topsheet bamboo pure 120 178s were the best skiing ultralight touring ski ever made... as long as it was untracked lighter snow. They killed it in the trees too.

[Marshal Olson]

Agreeing with the others. Imo Bamboo sidewall era was the best skiing (bc) of the bunch. The later pure3 blue ones were more like freeride 50/50 skis, IMO.

The bamboo sidewalls needed a little care and feeding sometimes (ie smearing jb weld when the grains opened a little), but unrivaled snow performance. But the repairs last essentially forever.

I think folks chasing this feeling, but don’t have a line on the Og would LOVE the HL BC120 swallowtail. Just finishing a couple laps of creamy pow on them this am, and absolutely buzzing

[Buster Highmen]

Black topsheet bamboo pure 120 200s were the best skiing ultralight touring ski ever made... as long as it was untracked lighter snow. They killed it in the trees too.

[Buster Highmen]

Will check out the heritage lab offering, but I have a line on a used black topsheet/bamboo sidewall pair.

I'll take them if you don't.

Love that ski.

[DeathVan]

SMERSH

[summit]

^Alyeska?

[Self Jupiter]

I need that sticker

[TeleBeaver]

I'm gonna pass on both of these, already bought two new pairs of skis this year so can't justify it, but someone should ski these things!

Saving up for some HL swallowtails in the fall.

https://www.facebook.com/share/fNwov...ibextid=kL3p88

https://www.facebook.com/share/2MBvH...ibextid=kL3p88

[Buster Highmen]

I'm gonna pass on both of these, already bought two new pairs of skis this year so can't justify it, but someone should ski these things!

Saving up for some HL swallowtails in the fall.

https://www.facebook.com/share/fNwov...ibextid=kL3p88

https://www.facebook.com/share/2MBvH...ibextid=kL3p88

I don't fecebook, but would like the 120s.

Can anyone help with contact info?