Who is cutting wood?

[garyfromterrace]

I'd say I'm about an 90% rate of wearing chaps, steel toes, hard hat.
I get lax if it's like 3 or 4 cuts and done sort of work. Prior to my wearing them fairly regularly I did get bit for 12 stitches about 5in above my knee
Super lucky it didn't go very deep and hit muscle. Good wakeup call.

[XXX-er]

I only recently started wearing eye protection when using an angle grinder and still weld in flip flops now and again, despite almost 30 years of seeing small tool amputations and other soft tissue trauma.

I’m older/marginally wiser. I can’t imagine getting a big tibial chainsaw laceration and getting wood chips and bar oil ground into my tibia.

Thats ^^ everybody I seen in Bali, a guy in flipflops/ running an angle grinder/ while smokin a dart/ no
hearing protection/ no head gear

its also the 3rd world you know la

[Meadow Skipper]

Fatigue at the end of a long day of swinging a big saw is the usual culprit of saw injuries - experience has little to do with it.

Or stumbling over uncleared brush when falling or bucking. My close calls anyway.

[XXX-er]

Thats why i liked the superiour traction of caulk boots but those were fucking heavy which of course makes you more tired

those Dunlop purofoots have a safety toe, are not caulks but the knobby patterned ureatahne rubber had good traction

[irul&ublo]

Thats ^^ everybody I seen in Bali, a guy in flipflops/ running an angle grinder/ while smokin a dart/ no
hearing protection/ no head gear

its also the 3rd world you know la

Like my Dad used to say (he ran cotton gins pre-OSHA), “Give me a couple of Okies and a come-a-long, and we can do anything.”

[XXX-er]

Like my Dad used to say (he ran cotton gins pre-OSHA), “Give me a couple of Okies and a come-a-long, and we can do anything.”

So was/ is oklahoma the 3rd world ?

I was stick bitch for a couple of survey gigs in one day they were really small jobs but we still had to get the whole safety thing on both jobs which took longer than the shots we were taking but i got paid eh

[bodywhomper]

When are chainsaw chaps coming out that work for all those e-saws?

[BCMtnHound]

When are chainsaw chaps coming out that work for all those e-saws?

[bodywhomper]

Supposedly, e-saws have too much torque for the fibers in chainsaw chaps to stop the chain at full throttle. My understanding is even the big gas saws will bind-up at full throttle and the chain (and cog/sprocket) will stop, even at full throttle. So the hospital cases observation from trackhead about most incidents involving homeowners could(?) get worse as more homeowners use e-saws.

Felled our Xmas tree a few days ago (Doug fir)

[Trackhead]

Interesting about e-saws and torque/injury potential. Haven’t seen a chainsaw injury for several years, but most of them are memorable.

[irul&ublo]

So was/ is oklahoma the 3rd world ?

In the sticks around Bakersfield in the 60s and early 70s, those Okies could be pretty close

[mattig]

The e-saw thing doesn't make sense to me. I've used about 4 different flavors ranging from DeWalt to one of stihl's pro models. None of them have come remotely close to gas saw torque. All this based on gut assumptions and no real world testing, but I just don't see it. Most homeowners will get a big box store brand. I love my little 20v DeWalt for climbing trees and small work loads, but there's no way it's going to out-murder my 462 if I start trying to remove a leg, chaps or no.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Interesting about e-saws and torque/injury potential. Haven’t seen a chainsaw injury for several years, but most of them are memorable.

I had a guy last month that was cutting limbs on a ladder with one of those top handle arborist saws. I don’t know how he did it but he cut through the limb and right through his first and second metacarpal. He’s got three fingers now.


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[bodywhomper]

“The fibers will not stop the sprocket on most electric chainsaws because of their constant high torque.”

https://www.echo-usa.com/personal-pr...chainsaw-chaps

Maybe it’s CYA….

[BCMtnHound]

So that sent me down a rabbit hole regarding chaps and e-saws. Seems like lots of company caveats and the like, and not enough formal testing to set benchmarks. Main considerations is no clutch for e-saws, and assuming the trigger remains on, torque increases as the snarled chain slows. Which may force the chain to continue some fwd momentum. Most videos seem to show the tip binding more than the drive sprocket when Kevlar fibres run through the system. Given the lack of a clutch, when the power is shut off, e-saw chains stop much sooner than gas though.

Still would wear chaps with an e-saw seems to be the professional consensus.

[adrenalated]

I'll take "what are torque curves" for $100, Alex.

2 strokes produce their highest torque at some point in their powerband (it's usually not at max RPM but a bit below). As the engine bogs down, the torque drops. Keep going, keeps dropping.

Electric motors produce constant (or near constant) torque. There is very little or no curve, and if there is, the peak torque is at the lowest RPMs. So as the RPM slows, the motor might actually produce MORE torque but it certainly won't drop.

So yeah, makes sense that they might behave a little differently when they hit a material that's designed to bog an engine down.

[XXX-er]

Supposedly, e-saws have too much torque for the fibers in chainsaw chaps to stop the chain at full throttle. My understanding is even the big gas saws will bind-up at full throttle and the chain (and cog/sprocket) will stop, even at full throttle. So the hospital cases observation from trackhead about most incidents involving homeowners could(?) get worse as more homeowners use e-saws.
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Isnt it all academic cuz what home owner wear chaps or any protection ?

and don't get me started on saw maintenance

[bodywhomper]

Felled our Xmas tree a few days ago (Doug fir)

[toast2266]

My little Milwaukee e-saw is noticeably torquey compared to my gas saws. Less torque than at full gas, but the torque comes on instantly. If it's pressed up against wood at a stop and you pull the trigger, it'll start chugging through that wood easier than any gas saw I've used. I can see how that'd be problematic for chaps.

[Trackhead]

I had a guy last month that was cutting limbs on a ladder with one of those top handle arborist saws. I don’t know how he did it but he cut through the limb and right through his first and second metacarpal. He’s got three fingers now.


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Or when unfortunate folks come in with work gloves on and you take the gloves off and dump the digits out….thud thud thud onto a chux.

[Trackhead]

Had a Hearthstone Castleton installed a week ago. Qualifies for the $2k fed rebate. Love this thing. The thick soapstone takes a while to get warm, but really heats our 1700sq/ft quite perfectly. Expensive but worth it. Nice to not hear the furnace running all day long.

[Hood26]

He’s wearing double front logger dungarees. I mean, safety is great but my dad and uncles logged thousands of acres and that’s all they wore. That and a Ben Davis hick’ry shirt. Most of the people with chainsaw injuries that I’ve helped stitch up are homeowners with no experience.

The only injuries my family had were from falling limbs and rolling logs.


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Been off the board for a bit. Jump on and start reading backwards and wondering why all the safety gear talk to then see you all are talking about me for fucks sake.

Will this all make you feel better?



There are strings to a grant we got and one being PPE. I bought a pair of the snap in Labonsville chaps and they are pretty nice. Can either buy the Key pants from Madsen’s with the snaps or just hook them over the bachelor buttons for the suspenders. We were working by the road in the fog that day so hi viz was a no-brainer. I am also wearing corks because I had to walk the log to cut it.

Am a safe now? I would hate to be expected to go full Euro including put an 18in bar on my 93cc saw.

Merry Christmas all you mag degenerates. No shooting your eye out!

Ps. Ladders and all power saws, electric, arborist top handle, are a no fucking go.

PPs. Here are grandpa’s rules to staying alive and UN-mangled from decades of falling old growth with only a tin hat and corks. 1. Keep thumb wrapped around the handle bars. 2. Don’t cut above the shoulders 3. Watch your tip (or was that the advice he gave me from being in service port in Singapore? Either way still good advice) 4. “Get that saw off your fucking shoulder” when walking

[Hood26]

This guy on the Gram is hilarious.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Been off the board for a bit. Jump on and start reading backwards and wondering why all the safety gear talk to then see you all are talking about me for fucks sake.

Will this all make you feel better?



There are strings to a grant we got and one being PPE. I bought a pair of the snap in Labonsville chaps and they are pretty nice. Can either buy the Key pants from Madsen’s with the snaps or just hook them over the bachelor buttons for the suspenders. We were working by the road in the fog that day so hi viz was a no-brainer. I am also wearing corks because I had to walk the log to cut it.

Am a safe now? I would hate to be expected to go full Euro including put an 18in bar on my 93cc saw.

Merry Christmas all you mag degenerates. No shooting your eye out!

Ps. Ladders and all power saws, electric, arborist top handle, are a no fucking go.

PPs. Here are grandpa’s rules to staying alive and UN-mangled from decades of falling old growth with only a tin hat and corks. 1. Keep thumb wrapped around the handle bars. 2. Don’t cut above the shoulders 3. Watch your tip (or was that the advice he gave me from being in service port in Singapore? Either way still good advice) 4. “Get that saw off your fucking shoulder” when walking

This scans, about what my pop would advise.

One thing that I always thought was weird growing up was that my family of loggers always wore those fuzzy cotton gloves in the woods. I figured out that those are still grippy when wet and they’re cheap so you just toss them when they get holes. Leather is slick when wet and expensive relatively.

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[Hood26]

One of the fallers on Insta posted a video of tossing the cotton gloves into the face of a falling tree to ring out the water. The comments were hilarious. Shit like it was dumb to wear cottons and they needed to wear the cut proof or leather and blah blah. I was thinking to myself, what’s next we shouldn’t wear hickory shirts?

You are exactly right on why cotton are better. All my folks ever wore too. Maybe a pair of cheep wool gloves from army surplus when super cold. I wear the rubber dipped for firewood handling, but if I am only running a saw or axe I like cotton or none.

Oh and I gotta ask the BC folks. Why are the trucks always overloaded? Let’s be all safety safety in BC but then a truck rolls out of the mountains stacked 5 meters over the sticks with the biggest log on top seeming unbound? I am scared enough meeting our trucks in the woods. Couldn’t imagine one of them barreling down on me looking like they are ready to roll.