To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[SumJongGuy]

Yeah it keeps your cough and sputum from spraying out. But it doesn’t stop airborne virus from coming in

Carry on. Flame me bro.

You must be talking about shitty cloth masks.. Ask the folks working ERs and Resp wards at the worst of the peak if legit N95 and even KN95 masks work.

In other news.. Jabbed today. Hopefully it won't hurt too much playing drums tomorrow afternoon.

[Cisco Kid]

I laugh at all of the Koolade drinkers who still think getting the vax means that you can't get Covid. I never knew that there were so many brain dead people with real jobs before the internet gave them a soap box.

[bennymac]

At this point in time no one with more than one braincell thinks getting the covid vaccine 100% prevents any chance of a symptomatic case of covid.

Yeah you can find people still confused by that - and you can find people that think the earth is 6,000 years old etc. We can laugh at the koolaid (or koolade if you want) drinkers who won’t get a life saving blood transfusion in the hospital unless it can be ensured it wasn’t from a vaccinated person. Or that the “jab” is a 5G tracking device while they post about it using their 5G tracking device.

And let’s just be clear because there are a lot of morons out there who have clearly never really given this point any thought: no vaccine of any type forms a force field around the entrances to your body that literally blocks the infectious organism (bacteria/virus/whatever) from entering your body.

[bodywhomper]

At this point in time no one with more than one braincell thinks getting the covid vaccine 100% prevents any chance of a symptomatic case of covid.

The confusing thing for people is that many global public health leaders state or imply that getting the current booster vax prevents one from getting infected and spreading the disease.

[bennymac]

Was that said or implied 2 years ago during vaccine rollout? Yeah.

Now? I’m not seeing it. Maybe depends on what you consider public health leaders. Again I’m not saying zero leaders are saying that - but is it “many”?

And let’s get nuanced (despite how we will get flamed by morons that can only see issues in a binary black and white fashion - they get overwhelmed with more than 2 choices) - on a population level…does the covid vaccine lower the number of symptomatic infections? If yes than this means less infected people coughing and sneezing. It means less people visiting the hospital. It means less people needing admission to hospital. All of that would in turn lower the spread even if the true number of “infections” remained the same.

If I, as a fully vaxxed person, contract covid - my immune system will be better prepared - ready to squash the virus as best as possible - and therefore I should not get as sick (even gives me a higher chance of having no symptoms) - and in turn that makes me less likely (but not impossible) to spread it. Also my illness, even if I get symptoms, will likely be shorter in duration - again another additional factor that will lower the spread.

The binary morons are already salivating, hitting caps lock, and formulating their replies - but these same people scream “natural infection is as good as vaccine!” - ok then….if so good in what way exactly? Follow through on that statement - how is it “good”? Does it 100% prevent reinfection? Nope. Does it prep your immune system to be ready for a potential reinfection? Yes. Thanks - in claiming that “natural infection” is as good as a vaccine (it’s not exactly equivalent AND it comes at higher risk to you) at least you admit that the vaccine offers a degree of “good” protection - your words.

[up an down]

I received latest COVID booster shot...Pfizer...and the latest flu shot yesterday .. feeling invulnerable now

[SumJongGuy]

Almost 5 hours out from my tracking chip software update. No ill effects internally. Very minimal amount of soreness on the arm.

Edit. Woke up with a sore arm. Drum rehab therapy is still on though..

[bodywhomper]

bennymac, off top of my head: current cdc director (“wash your hands”), ashish jha, osterholm (who apparently is still suffering from long covid) have all publicly over exaggerated the benefits of the new booster. My understanding of that PH officials in Canada and the UK have done similar.

Here are Osterholm’s words, “You are much better off taking one day off because of mild to moderate vaccine side effects than a week or even multiple weeks due to an infection which could result in long COVID, serious illness, hospitalization, or even death.”

[bennymac]

Your single provided example doesn’t at all back up your claim that “public health leaders are currently saying the booster vax prevents one from getting infected and spreading the disease.”

Again - I’m not saying that they haven’t said this - just that I haven’t seen it.

You also appear to be pivoting from them saying “boosters prevent infection and spread” to the more vague “they are over exaggerating the benefits of a booster”. Switching from objective facts to a more subjective view of how you personally are interpreting their statements.

This pivot might not be your intention - but that’s how it’s coming across.

[bodywhomper]

Osterholm is saying you can deal with the few days of feeling bad from vax OR deal with longer (and possibly more severe) acute illness or long covid. Interpretation is that he’s implying that getting the booster will keep one from getting sick and catching long covid. As a vaxed/boosted person, he caught covid last winter and (apparently) has long covid now.

Head of cdc: the updated covid vax will “keep you and your family protected.” That sound bite can (intentionally) imply that the vax will keep you from catching covid. Adding confusion, she gets more into the weeds in long PSA videos and interviews about how the booster will reduce potential for illness. She continues the push the agenda of getting vaxed, washing your hands, and moving on.

[bennymac]

Ah gotcha I see what you’re getting at re: Osterholm.

I mean this is getting back to the nuances I mentioned before. To look at this on a population level (which would need you to start ignoring anecdotal stories like Osterholm’s personal and somewhat unfortunately ironic experience) do you bodywhomper feel the vaccine offers no benefit? Therefore a vaccinated population has the same chance of getting *sick* from covid?

Keep in mind no vaccine prevents a virus from physically entering your body. A vaccinated population has the same risk of the virus entering their body as an unvaccinated population does (all other factors being equal).

But what’s more important is what effect does being vaccinated have on the risk of getting *sick* (whether regular covid or extra crispy)

Do you think the vaccine offers no protection from getting sick? Some protection?

We know it doesn’t offer 100% protection - because vaccinated people can get sick. Just like people with a flu vaccine can still get the flu. You can still get shingles after the shingles vaccine.

A lot of people seem to think this aspect of the covid vaccine is some new thing that signifies that this particular vaccine is ineffective and therefore a failure and in turn makes it too risky (since a completely ineffective vaccine would not be worth any risk even a minor one).

The wording of the CDC saying “will keep you protected” - I can see how one could potentially interpret that to mean no risk of getting sick - I wonder how they would have to word it to simply capture a complicated situation - that “the vaccine is effective and can prevent covid sickness in a lot of cases but in some it won’t prevent sickness but will at least lessen the severity of sickness - but then in some cases you might still get really sick and may even get long covid - but overall it’s still a much better chance of a better outcome than not being vaccinated - just like the other dozen or so vaccines you have had in the past”

[twat]

Good morning, that’s read a lil like the repetition of the repetition. I thought the collective trg brain decided the vaccine works and the Nobel price for it is only a recognition outside our own bubble.



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The rest is just me ranting and typing brain farts! Stop reading here!
Now montaky and asspen are missing to tell us natural immunity is better then this Genmanipulation horror shot!

Let’s not get drown into this rabbit hole. Of masking side effects and our children blablabla

The last three years were enough of this endless debates. Who wants a shot get it! The government should promote in a trustworthy way! And positivly encourage people of getting it. But mandates and pressure clearly doesn’t work. But the population is like a herd of cows they need yelling, electric wire fences, and some need the beating with a stick. How human kind has achieved all the wonders of the modern world as unbelievable, if I look at the collective intelligence.
Maybe aliens drop from time to time stuff at universities. And the khmer in Kambodscha was right, kill everyone with a degree and your population is a herd of sheep easy to steer with the fear of the wolf.

[bennymac]

Whether it not you think the vaccine “works” depends on your own definition of “works”

My seatbelt works.

My vaccines work too - all 50 doses of vaccine that I’ve been given and you’ve been given (or if you’re too old for that many than think about the 40-50 you gave your kids)

[LongShortLong]

Interesting. So if it was Covid and I get a shot Monday, I won’t have my ass kicked more than I normally would? All shots have hit me fairly hard.

You'd probably get kicked the same as always. Your immune system will see the invader and kick off its normal response, and you'll feel "coldlike" symptoms. If you were recently infected by the same invader, the immune system's "generals" already have the battle results for this disease (samples of its proteins) and are preparing for future encounters. A second battle shortly after the first against the same enemy (one with same protein samples) doesn't have much effect on the preparations. "Somatic hypermutation" is the process I'm attempting to describe. Ofc, this is describing life at the microbiology level, and our current understanding, and it's a messy process that has all sorts of cool features when you look more closely.

Since you tested negative multiple times, IMO you didn't have covid, and would get the full benefit from the vaccine. And I'm just a dog, so don't weigh my opinion too heavily. Woof.

[bennymac]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/h...e=articleShare

Study is a pre-print.

“We found that certain symptoms (chills, tiredness, feeling unwell, and headache) after the second dose were associated with increases in nAB at 1 and 6 months post-vaccination, to roughly 140-160% the level of individuals without each symptom.”

[old goat]

Whether it not you think the vaccine “works” depends on your own definition of “works”

My seatbelt works.

My vaccines work too - all 50 doses of vaccine that I’ve been given and you’ve been given (or if you’re too old for that many than think about the 40-50 you gave your kids)

The covid vaccine obviously doesn't work as well as some other vaccines. It doesn't seem likely that it will eradicate covid--as the vaccine eradicated smallpox, or nearly eradicate it, as the vaccine did for polio. MMR and DPT are also more effective than covid vaccine.

[bennymac]

So you’re saying different medical treatments have different levels of effectiveness…

“Not as good as that polio one!” isn’t as catchy as calling it “the clot shot”

Why do I need to get a tetanus vaccine every decade? Sometimes sooner if injured. Not as good as the polio one! - what’s the point of trying?

[twat]

The covid vaccine obviously doesn't work (as well as some other vaccines)..

The problem for me. My brain stoped recognising more then half of that sentence.

[SumJongGuy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/h...e=articleShare

Study is a pre-print.

“We found that certain symptoms (chills, tiredness, feeling unwell, and headache) after the second dose were associated with increases in nAB at 1 and 6 months post-vaccination, to roughly 140-160% the level of individuals without each symptom.”

I had a round of this last night, a full 30 hours after getting the VAX. I did a lot of physical stuff yesterday. But part of me wonders if I caught COVID at the pharmacy while getting it LOL. Not going anywhere around non family until Wed or Thurs. I'll test before going to the office if I'm still feeling not 100% well.

[basinbeater]

I got the latest vac along with flu vac yesterday. Arm is sore, kinda achy. Hip hurts. But that might be from my hockey game last night.

[SumJongGuy]

Update:

Latest jab Saturday at 4pm.
All good all day Sunday... until late Sunday night started feeling pretty unwell
Heebee Jeebees all night Sunday, runny nose, tight throat.
Wife got sick Monday morning, worse than me
Thinking I got something beyond the jab spending 30 minutes inside CVS Saturday Wife jabbed 2 weeks ago


Fast forward to this morning, day 3.. Both tested negative. Both still opting to stay home because it could still be the rona. Nasty whatever it is. FWIW we're both flu jabbed too. We're both still sick today. Testing again tomorrow night or Friday morning.

So serious question.. Paxlovid says take immediately wit h the onset of symptoms approved with a + COVID test.. Gut.. the home tests suck and don';t hit the + until day 4-5 most of the time now..

Yes, I know you can still get it with a little begging before you actually test +. Also can go get a better test. But, still a highly flawed system.. not by intent of course.

Rant over..

[Trackhead]

I’m still testing people every day for covid, about 30% are positive. Rest are other seasonal virus. I’d NEVER prescribe paxlovid for someone with a negative test, unless say their wife was confirmed positive.

Not every cold is Rona.

[SumJongGuy]

I’m still testing people every day for covid, about 30% are positive. Rest are other seasonal virus. I’d NEVER prescribe paxlovid for someone with a negative test, unless say their wife was confirmed positive.

Not every cold is Rona.

The POINT is that the vast majority of people do NOT (rapid) test + until day 4-5 AFTER the onset of symptoms.. But, they recommend prescribing Pax at DAY ONE of the onset of symptoms. How do you reconcile that?

[The AD]

The POINT is that the vast majority of people do NOT (rapid) test + until day 4-5 AFTER the onset of symptoms.

Is this actually true?

P.S. I just took my last dose of Paxlovid this morning. I feel great now other than an occasional cough. Hoping I don't get a rebound case.
In my case I tested positive with a rapid test the morning after I first felt symptoms (which was convenient because my new tests had just arrived in the mail).

[old goat]

The POINT is that the vast majority of people do NOT (rapid) test + until day 4-5 AFTER the onset of symptoms.. But, they recommend prescribing Pax at DAY ONE of the onset of symptoms. How do you reconcile that?

N of one--I tested positive 36 hours after onset of sx--mild cold sx started one morning, tested neg that eve, positive the following eve when I started feeling worse. I didn't test at 24 hours.