Mysterious death of three campers in Colorado

[AK47bp]

When “doing your own research” goes horribly wrong.

Tragic, that poor kid.

[rideit]

If they weren’t Q-Anon members or friends, I’ll eat my eyeball.

[lowsparkco]

Some how OD’ing on fentanyl seems more intelligent.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

If they weren’t Q-Anon members or friends, I’ll eat my eyeball.

most of them can't be away from faux news for very long, but this is very likely.

[fastfred]

now if they took the rv in hartsel I'd go with fent overdose without a doubt

the wind bitter constant cold all winter roving gangs of meth heads petty theft general disarray of society and massive dose of despair that exists out there would either shock someone back to reality or drive them deeper into the hole

instead they chose to live off the land I can make lots of assumptions by what someone looks like

[skaredshtles]

now if they took the rv in hartsel I'd go with fent overdose without a doubt

the wind bitter constant cold all winter roving gangs of meth heads petty theft general disarray of society and massive dose of despair that exists out there would either shock someone back to reality or drive them deeper into the hole

instead they chose to live off the land I can make lots of assumptions by what someone looks like

Wait - I thought rural South Park was a Paradise of Freedumb??

[chicken feathers]

They weren’t living off the land. They were squatting.

Death of a minor from mentally ill adults. No one in the family reports them missing even though the was concern about their plans.

Sad story.

[SumJongGuy]

Occom's razor

[snowaddict91]

They weren’t living off the land. They were squatting.

Death of a minor from mentally ill adults. No one in the family reports them missing even though the was concern about their plans.

Sad story.

Agreed. At the very least, the teen should have been reporting missing and there could have been accountability for endangering a child. Pretty sad.

I wonder if anyone reported their squatting last summer/fall? That area sees a fair bit of hunting traffic. Squatting is a huge problem on public land around here.

[fastfred]

From what I've noticed people mind their own business in Colorado

Unless your some uptight Karen but they don't get far from the trailhead

The suck is when you are bushwacking around the mtns and fond someone's mess they left behind after squatting

Ps I spent the summer living in a tent on forest service land no one bothered me but I was living at the bar not off the land

[LongShortLong]

This looks to me like a longer version of "homeless bum dies from exposure."

Sounds like they didn't know enough to know they were killing themselves. It gets pretty cold up there, and windy. Gold Creek Campground is 6 miles out a dirt road from the nearest "town" at 10,000 feet in the Rockies. Doubt the dirt road's plowed in winter, though there's a more visited location that may be a mine 2 miles away - might be plowed to there, and a place with people. In deep snow that's a long way to travel without skis/snowshoes, and can suck pretty hard breaking trail even with them. But, snow likely wasn't deep.

Here's the two closest snotels Saint Elmo and Park Cone
Both sites show 2 feet snow depth by the end of December, gradual accumulation with no big dumps, and no dramatic temperature drops (one day in late Oct, the high was 15F cooler, and below freezing). If they were more experienced, they might have realized they were in trouble and drove or walked out while they still could.

If only they pulled their bootstraps.

[AK47bp]

They weren’t homeless and they even passed up on an offer to use a free off grid cabin.

[LongShortLong]

Have a reference where they left a home behind? I'm just guessing they didn't have a home. Typically people with money or housing don't live rough. And if they do, at bare minimum, they've spent thousands equipping themselves at REI or Dick's or boutique outdoor providers. And spent similar time and money educating themselves.

"How did they expect to feed themselves?" she asked. "How did they expect to feed a growing 14-year-old boy?"
^^ Likely means they had little or no money. All the signs say this is a family falling out the bottom of society. They failed or we failed?

[m2711c]

article states they were offered the use of an RV vehicle, and they turned it down.

[AK47bp]

Yea this wasn’t just some people who couldn’t make ends meet living in the woods. The mom was convinced the world was ending and was trying to “protect” her family or something.

[AK47bp]

Have a reference where they left a home behind? I'm just guessing they didn't have a home. Typically people with money or housing don't live rough. And if they do, at bare minimum, they've spent thousands equipping themselves at REI or Dick's or boutique outdoor providers. And spent similar time and money educating themselves.

"How did they expect to feed themselves?" she asked. "How did they expect to feed a growing 14-year-old boy?"
^^ Likely means they had little or no money. All the signs say this is a family falling out the bottom of society. They failed or we failed?

Article from upthread.

https://gazette.com/news/local/color...59a004492.html

The feeding quote you posted was related to them living off grid with no skills or experience and someone asking them that question.

[LongShortLong]

Article from upthread.

https://gazette.com/news/local/color...59a004492.html

The feeding quote you posted was related to them living off grid with no skills or experience and someone asking them that question.

I don't find refusing help incompatible with being poor, There's this whole shame thing. It's real. Old poor hungry disabled people shivering in the street have it, IME.

Here's another quote from the article
In early August, a couple of days before they set off for Gunnison, the Vance sisters stopped by Jara’s home in Security to drop off some family possessions and “to say goodbye,” Jara said.

If they had a home, surely they could leave their possessions there. And they'd have more than could be dropped off. Also if they had a home, there'd be mention of how it was cared for while they were away.

And the context you refer to about my first quote is about the stepsister being mystified. I say her mystery is her stepsisters were broke and ashamed to say so. Maybe she knew they were broke and is ashamed to tell the reporter. Either way - broke. Also the only mention is of leaving food and shelter behind. Between the lines, they had no jobs. And this is taking the stepsister at face value.

That article is practically screaming these people fell out of society. Where's the car at the campground? Three people don't fail at foraging then starve/freeze to death when they have the means to get to town... Distrusting the world enough to run away unprepared - that says neither had a stable job with good pay.

[AK47bp]

Okay. Enjoy the narrative you made up.

My comments are just from what was reported in the articles.

[goldenboy]

The 14 year old weighed 40 pounds. Poor kid. https://coloradosun.com/2023/08/30/t...topsy-reports/

[fastfred]

Everyone is desperately looking for something mostof us never find it

[riser4]

Everyone is desperately looking for something mostof us never find it

Existential.

[byates1]

Well they found a way to live "into the wild" for a short bit.

[bennymac]

and murdered the kid in the process

[fastfred]

Existential.

Already planned on reading beckett this winter

[fastfred]

unforntuatly my whole summer has been pretty bukowski like
at least I didn't walk off into the mtns to hide from reality like they did