80 series land cruiser futures

[Mazderati]

And Toyota hybrids are cabbie go-tos.

[AdironRider]

And Toyota hybrids are cabbie go-tos.

Seriously, Toyota is the bar setter when it comes to hybrids and very few come close, let alone match, their hybrid power trains.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, they got serious about them a long time ago, and when one cab driver put more miles than anyone on a first gen Prius, Toyota actually bought it back from him to study it. https://driving.ca/vehicle-types/ele...blazing-cabbie

[MarcusBrody]

Does any (likely non-US folks) have a sense about the durability differences between Land Cruisers and Land Cruiser Prados in markets where both are sold? I've seen a lot of the Prados in India, but I think because of my own preconceptiosn about Indian market vehicles, imagined that they were built to much lower tolerances than their bigger siblings. I've never been in either, but I think my bias is based on being unimpressed with the Fortuner vis the Forerunner.

[Kevo]

Does any (likely non-US folks) have a sense about the durability differences between Land Cruisers and Land Cruiser Prados in markets where both are sold? I've seen a lot of the Prados in India, but I think because of my own preconceptiosn about Indian market vehicles, imagined that they were built to much lower tolerances than their bigger siblings. I've never been in either, but I think my bias is based on being unimpressed with the Fortuner vis the Forerunner.

I think the Prado has every bit the reputation of the full sized LC.

My perception is that the Fortuner and 4Runner are a step down from either the Prado or the 200 series and that the Fortuner is a further step down.

I say this as a happy 4Runner owner.

[MultiVerse]

4Runners & Land Cruisers are made in Japan at the some of the most meticulous factories in the world.

[Kevo]

4Runners & Land Cruisers are made in Japan at the some of the most meticulous factories in the world.

My understanding is that 4Runner, GX and Prado are made in the same factory in Tahara.

Someone once told me or maybe I read that the LC/ Prado is engineered for a longer service life and more time spent off-road, but I'm not sure if that is true and I can't readily find anything saying so.

[unitofstuff]

Does any (likely non-US folks) have a sense about the durability differences between Land Cruisers and Land Cruiser Prados in markets where both are sold? I've seen a lot of the Prados in India, but I think because of my own preconceptiosn about Indian market vehicles, imagined that they were built to much lower tolerances than their bigger siblings. I've never been in either, but I think my bias is based on being unimpressed with the Fortuner vis the Forerunner.

US person, but off road enthusiast. Seen a lot of reports of 8.0” and even 8.2” diffs or axles blown up in Prado/GX/4Runner platforms. Lots of slipped alignment tabs, blown up CV’s, and more. Haven’t seen many of those issues in LC’s outside of early 100 series 2 pinion front diffs. The 80’s, 100's, and 200’s all have 9.5” ring gears in the rear and (if I remember correctly) 9” ring gears in the front. Pretty beefy.

[SkiLyft]

Where is the new US 250 manufactured? Still in Tahara?


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[SkiLyft]

Where is the new US 250 manufactured? Still in Tahara?


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[nickwm21]

Press release says Tahara.


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[SkiLyft]

That’s a relief, honestly, still don’t quite know what to make of it. It seems like an FJ cruiser more than a LC. But maybe that’s in ill informed opinion. Idk, just curious who their target buyer is? What will the typical 4R buyer do? Buy a J250? Or buy the new angry mouth, evil eyed 4R…

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As a J200 owner, I am more likely to buy an LX600 as I like the space, V6, non-hybrid.

Also.. lame we lose our tailgate on the LC, LX.

Just glad I don’t have to make a decision for another 10 years!


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[MarcusBrody]

That’s a relief, honestly, still don’t quite know what to make of it. It seems like an FJ cruiser more than a LC. But maybe that’s in ill informed opinion. Idk, just curious who their target buyer is? What will the typical 4R buyer do? Buy a J250? Or buy the new angry mouth, evil eyed 4R…

🤷♂️

As a J200 owner, I am more likely to buy an LX600 as I like the space, V6, non-hybrid.

Also.. lame we lose our tailgate on the LC, LX.

Just glad I don’t have to make a decision for another 10 years!


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Well I'm very curious about them as I want a largish, space efficient vehicle that will lug a lot of outdoor gear reasonably efficiently across washboard desert roads. When we road trip and car camp, we pack everything in big, square gasket boxes, so I love boxy cargo areas.

I would consider the 4Runner and lots of other alternatives. I do like what I see from the new model though so far.

[SkiLyft]

Well I'm very curious about them as I want a largish, space efficient vehicle that will lug a lot of outdoor gear reasonably efficiently across washboard desert roads. When we road trip and car camp, we pack everything in big, square gasket boxes, so I love boxy cargo areas.

I would consider the 4Runner and lots of other alternatives. I do like what I see from the new model though so far.

Good perspective; speaking of cargo space, losing some for the battery is lamooooo.


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[MarcusBrody]

Good perspective; speaking of cargo space, losing some for the battery is lamooooo.


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Yep, i will be very interested to see how they package it. I'm liking the square rear design trend though.

[bodywhomper]

Curious about range. I read the claim that the hybrid tundra will have a range over 700 miles (assume that’s highway).

[AdironRider]

That’s a relief, honestly, still don’t quite know what to make of it. It seems like an FJ cruiser more than a LC. But maybe that’s in ill informed opinion. Idk, just curious who their target buyer is? What will the typical 4R buyer do? Buy a J250? Or buy the new angry mouth, evil eyed 4R…

🤷♂️

As a J200 owner, I am more likely to buy an LX600 as I like the space, V6, non-hybrid.

Also.. lame we lose our tailgate on the LC, LX.

Just glad I don’t have to make a decision for another 10 years!


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Well the FJ was rock solid reliable and, to this day, has spectacular resale value. Is it really a bad thing? The FJ also sold leaps and bounds more units than the Land Cruiser, even at the end of its life cycle, so it had something going for it.

[Name Redacted]

Just bought a "Poor Man's Land Cruiser" AKA Sequoia. Pretty amazing though. It is a 1st gen, 2001, Limited with, get this, 55k on the odometer. Timing belt was done at 39k, ten years ago. It was a car that was only driven on vacation and otherwise sat at a mansion in Vail in the garage. It is like a time capsule. Going to upgrade the stereo, and throw a lift and tires on it and call it good.

[SkiLyft]

Sweet pick up. I always liked the body style of the gen one Seqs. Much better than the bloated marshmallow vibe.


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[MarcusBrody]

Well the FJ was rock solid reliable and, to this day, has spectacular resale value. Is it really a bad thing? The FJ also sold leaps and bounds more units than the Land Cruiser, even at the end of its life cycle, so it had something going for it.

I went out to get gas and saw 2 FJs on my 12 block round trip. I always liked them save for the visibility. I'm perfectly happy with less luxury, but I do tend to keep vehicles a long time so the cruiser's reputation in that area is a draw.

[Name Redacted]

Sweet pick up. I always liked the body style of the gen one Seqs. Much better than the bloated marshmallow vibe

Yeah, I have a 2009 Tundra and the 1st gen Sequoia feels much smaller in the cab, in a good way. I bet it is about the same size as a newer forerunner. Remove the third row and fold the fronts forward and it makes a nice sleeping area for car camping.

[mcski]

Just bought a "Poor Man's Land Cruiser" AKA Sequoia. Pretty amazing though. It is a 1st gen, 2001, Limited with, get this, 55k on the odometer. Timing belt was done at 39k, ten years ago. It was a car that was only driven on vacation and otherwise sat at a mansion in Vail in the garage. It is like a time capsule. Going to upgrade the stereo, and throw a lift and tires on it and call it good.

That sounds like a sweet deal. Maybe mansion finds are better than barn finds?!

[MultiVerse]

Remarkable if true: Toyota inadvertently leaked 26MPG combined on their site for the new hybrid Land Cruiser.

[basinbeater]

Just bought a "Poor Man's Land Cruiser" AKA Sequoia. Pretty amazing though. It is a 1st gen, 2001, Limited with, get this, 55k on the odometer. Timing belt was done at 39k, ten years ago. It was a car that was only driven on vacation and otherwise sat at a mansion in Vail in the garage. It is like a time capsule. Going to upgrade the stereo, and throw a lift and tires on it and call it good.

You should do that timing belt... it's old, rubber, and critical.

[MarcusBrody]

Remarkable if true: Toyota inadvertently leaked 26MPG combined on their site for the new hybrid Land Cruiser.

I saw it when it was still up, though I thought it was 27 mpg. I think it unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility. The same powertrain drives the Grand Highlander, which is roughly the same size vehicle (longer and slightly wider, but also slight shorter) and it is officially rated at 27mpg combined. With the Highlander having AWD vs full-time 4WD, I'd expect the Highlander to be more efficient, but we don't know weights yet either.