Bringing Back The Best: Lotii And Other Assorted Love Songs

**Benneke10** · 02-17-2023, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by plugboots

Just ordered FR110’s. I’ve read the whole thread and it’s still a little confusing to me, but what would be a ski available right now that I could demo that would be the most similar to an FR 110?

4frnt Devastator is the only ski that you could call similar, and probably not easy to find a demo.

**plugboots** · 02-17-2023, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Benneke10

4frnt Devastator is the only ski that you could call similar, and probably not easy to find a demo.

Thanks. Hmmmmmmm…multi-radius camber.

**skisurfmirth** · 02-17-2023, 03:11 PM

Moment meridian too

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**Benneke10** · 02-17-2023, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by skisurfmirth

Moment meridian too

I thought they stopped making them a few years ago? Been trying to find a pair myself...

**eskido** · 02-17-2023, 05:01 PM

BeHuWe has a pair up for sale right now

**ASmileyFace** · 02-17-2023, 05:12 PM

The closest I'm aware of shape-wise is the Folsom Primary 110 Shallow RC option. I know Folsom does a lot of demos, but I'm not sure they have the flat camber version in a demo these days.

**skisurfmirth** · 02-17-2023, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Benneke10

I thought they stopped making them a few years ago? Been trying to find a pair myself...

It’s on their website for this season. But sold out.

**byates1** · 02-17-2023, 06:23 PM

Plugboots I'm on older devs, ordered fr110. I'm in Taos now, then SLC 3/10, then points north to MT end of season.

Pretty much was a legend pro/1st cham107 guy before going reverse.

Like WRG said to me, it's like a cheat code. My devs w blast through chop rail groom etc. But when in Billy goat tight shit, can noodle around slide etc. Not hard to adapt to at all.

You'll be stoked on the fr110. It'll do a lot really really well.

**plugboots** · 02-17-2023, 07:24 PM

^^^ Cool, thanks. This is what I’m expecting.

**CaliBrit** · 02-17-2023, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by byates1

Plugboots I'm on older devs, ordered fr110. I'm in Taos now, then SLC 3/10, then points north to MT end of season.

Pretty much was a legend pro/1st cham107 guy before going reverse.

Like WRG said to me, it's like a cheat code. My devs w blast through chop rail groom etc. But when in Billy goat tight shit, can noodle around slide etc. Not hard to adapt to at all.

You'll be stoked on the fr110. It'll do a lot really really well.

How does the shape and ride compare to the v werks katana.

**puhisurfer** · 02-17-2023, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by arild

I don't think you need to know exactly which one ski a HL ski is based on to buy one, as it's pretty simple. None of the skis are based on just one shape, they're all built on meeting certain conditions and perform very well there.

FL113 - Pow, chop, speed, pivot, slarve. Straight shape, long low rockers. -11.5 mount.

FL105 - Speed, chop, crud, smash through stuff. More sidecut, camber and shorter rockers. -12 mount.

FR110 - full reverse, bi directional camber, wideish all terrain ski, for float, fun and smashing through stuff at a larger variety of speeds. Designed to be able to ski switch to the road. -6 mount.

support the raddest project going: http://heritagelabskis.com

Okay that’s just the FL/FR skis and you ignored the RaceRoom question. What is the difference between RR and FL?

**Marshal Olson** · 02-17-2023, 10:20 PM

Yes, the raceroom skis have a traditional flex pattern (softer tip and stiffer tail), much less rockered/progressive shapes, and metal laminate. They are also offered in AM (about 7.5 of 10 stiffness) and Comp (about 9 of 10). So they will be cleaner on edge and a bit more traditional feeling in bumps/trees - where the FL is more surfy and loose.

the AM is a precision tool and the Comp is for chargers who put a lot of energy into the ski. Both builds are the most directional skis in the range and definitely reward skiers who like to round out their turns.

In contrast, the FL skis are more progressively shaped (more taper, more rocker, etc) and have a very different flex pattern that is more designed to blow up cut up snow. They are for skiing down the fall line - even on edge and carving. You are carving down the fall line.

the Freeride skis are for being creative and making all sorts of turns: slashing, drifting, pivoting, carving. Way more modern (centered) mount.

all the skis in the HL range are designed to be very smooth, confidence inspiring, and encourage you to keep skiing faster and faster. They just go about it in different ways! I am more than happy to talk through the skis you have liked/not in the past, and could compare/contrast as well.

**Marshal Olson** · 02-17-2023, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by CaliBrit

How does the shape and ride compare to the v werks katana.

so the rocker profiles are fairly similar, but the mount point is very different. The VWK line is like -14 and most people ski them at like -12. The BC110 line is -6, and I personally plan to ski them at -8. The line on the C113 for reference is -11.5. While it does have a small amount of camber; it’s rocker is very long and low, and skis pretty similarly to the VWK. I ran out of time to type up thoughts on this, so I’ll get to it this weekend!

**jackattack** · 02-17-2023, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by puhisurfer

Okay that’s just the FL/FR skis and you ignored the RaceRoom question. What is the difference between RR and FL?

Basically…

RR and AM are metal laminate with a maple core
FL are glass and rubber with a poplar/bamboo core

Of course that doesn’t cover the differences in sidecut, profile, and flex characteristics. It’s all on the site. Go read https://heritagelabskis.com

**CaliBrit** · 02-17-2023, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

so the rocker profiles are fairly similar, but the mount point is very different. The VWK line is like -14 and most people ski them at like -12. The BC110 line is -6, and I personally plan to ski them at -8. The line on the C113 for reference is -11.5. While it does have a small amount of camber; it’s rocker is very long and low, and skis pretty similarly to the VWK. I ran out of time to type up thoughts on this, so I’ll get to it this weekend!

Thanks dude. Sounds like I might like the C113.

**Core Shot** · 02-17-2023, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by PNW Lifer

If we are able to rustle up enough support to press longer FR110's I would love to swap for the bigger sticks!

Yes. I’m in

Can we change the topsheet?

**byates1** · 02-18-2023, 12:25 AM

Fr227 w bag of dicks top sheet?

**Norseman** · 02-18-2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by PNW Lifer

If we are able to rustle up enough support to press longer FR110's I would love to swap for the bigger sticks!

Originally Posted by Core Shot

Yes. I’m in

Can we change the topsheet?

Maybe just buy what the man offers now to fund future line expansion?

I'd bet two pounds of applewood-smoked bacon that you'd be fine on the 186cm, and might get an ass-kickin by a hypothetical 194 or whatever. These are supposed to be a more playful shape and I think this first offered length is a great place to start.

Maybe get the 192 105 if you "need" a bigger weapon?

**Self Jupiter** · 02-18-2023, 10:03 AM

^this. Buy the 194 Devastator if that’s what you think you need. I think I sold my pair to a mag in the Midwest for $100 shipped to his door. They’re basically free.

I’ve skied most of the offerings in this ~110 UF reverse camber category and what Marshal is describing sounds perfect for this ski IMHO.

ETA sorry the 194 Devs sold for $135 with bindings, shipped. OP:

Dynastar Protos w/ pivots and 4FRNT Devastators w/ mojos
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=333235

**eskido** · 02-18-2023, 10:51 AM

Yup, Norse and Jup are spot on, I am also a big fan of this category and have owned and do still own a couple of these sticks. What Marshall is offering is pretty much exactly how/what I would want this ski built.

**Pinned** · 02-19-2023, 05:08 PM

FR110s ordered. Very excited for these!

**CaliBrit** · 02-19-2023, 05:18 PM

Yeah the BC110 look awesome. Should have my hands on some R87 AM mid week. Will be putting ATK’s on them and using them for after hours resort skin rips.

**eSock** · 02-19-2023, 05:22 PM

I'm just now discovering the RC world and definitely curious about the FR110 [emoji102]

**Cork7 Belly Flop** · 02-20-2023, 01:14 AM

Those of you who've had the skis shipped to Canada, did you get hit with any brokerage fees? It looks like UPS has changed their rules:

https://www.ups.com/us/en/supplychai...al-Rates.page#

**kid-kapow** · 02-20-2023, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by puhisurfer

Okay that’s just the FL/FR skis and you ignored the RaceRoom question. What is the difference between RR and FL?

Jeez - entitled much?

I am frankly impressed that Marshal did not call you out on the way you articulate yourself in his reply.

Originally Posted by jackattack

Basically…

RR and AM are metal laminate with a maple core
FL are glass and rubber with a poplar/bamboo core

Of course that doesn’t cover the differences in sidecut, profile, and flex characteristics. It’s all on the site. Go read https://heritagelabskis.com

But that would mean that one would actually have to do the bare minimum of research before asking someone else to provide the answer to you. That takes effort.