the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

[J. Barron DeJong]

can you post a pic of whats broken/spinning?

not sure why that needs to be fixed, before molding a liner, or flairing a shell? but maybe?

Sounds like the micro adjuster in the top buckle is stripped?

[EWG]

can you post a pic of whats broken/spinning?

not sure why that needs to be fixed, before molding a liner, or flairing a shell? but maybe?

Fitter is saying the side/cant/calf adjuster bolts are just spinning:

[mntlion]

if its spinning it can't be adjusted, but not sure how that relates to the other issues?

[EWG]

if its spinning it can't be adjusted, but not sure how that relates to the other issues?

I think the fitter is saying that they want to adjust cant to make sure that there isn't a hot spot on the inside or the outside of the calf due to alignment (ie, the cuff is too far to the outside so daughter is getting a hot spot of pressure on inside of calf).

But I'm surprised that all 4 bolts (2 per boot) could all be spinning/broken.

[SoVT Joey]

Sounds like they need to go in side of the shell and wedge the nut with a screw driver and break the loctite open.

[EWG]

Sounds like they need to go in side of the shell and wedge the nut with a screw driver and break the loctite open.

Nice. That's the kind of thing I was thinking. I'll check that myself.

[bodywhomper]

I hope this is correct thread.

Have scarpa tx comp tele boots (proform). Second season of use. Maybe 30 days. Experiencing new severe pain at navicular in one foot this season. This is a new and painful experience for me.

Had no problems last season. That particular foot is currently also experiencing some mild mobility issues (Achilles pain), which I’m doing PT for. Achilles is flair-up of older issue that I barely experienced last season. Have older superfeet cork insoles. Baked stock intuition when boots first purchased. I feel fairly experienced with baking liners. Tried heel wedges in that boot today (under the liner), but it didn’t help.

What should I do? Is there benefit in rebaking the liners? Pro boot fitters (truckee) are about an hour away when the roads are clear.

[mntlion]

Its it a temp thing, what about a donut of foam around the pressure point?

If the pain stays, then a more supportive footbed (more the foot away from the shell) or stretch the shell (more the shell away from the foot)

[bodywhomper]

Thanks for the response. How thick of donut? I have some fitting foam that I can work with.

It seems like rebaking the liner with the donut around the pressure point could help, no? After rebaking, would I want to put the donut on the outside of the liner? I have no experience with using extra foam with ski boots, liner baking and my insoles have done the trick for decades for me. Or would rebaking with the donut not change anything?

I’m not experiencing this problem this season with my other tele boots, 75mm (older tech) garments ener-g’s. The shell lasts are different. I’m trying to transition my quiver to the newer ntn tech.

[mntlion]

the donut is ti balance the pressure, so less pressure on the ouch, but MORE pressure around the ouch.

If you re-bake the liners, you need to create a pocket for the ouch, so you need to ADD foam to the ouch durring the molding (not comforatable) then remove after the molding and you have a pocket FOR the ouch.

try step 1, and if needed go to step 2

[bodywhomper]

That all makes sense. Thx for the explanation.

Cheers

[Supermoon]

So I have been getting pain in the outside of my foot the last few years in my ski boots, but also get it in my hockey skates, some of my shoes even. It's in between my heel and the ball of my foot, on the bottom of my foot, but to the outside.

My ski boots and liners are baked, I have superfeet (fitted, but not custom) in them, and have done some punches in other spots. Same for my hockey skates.

Unweighting my feet helps the pain, but loosening buckles/laces doesn't really help that much.

Any thoughts from the experts?

[Cocximus]

My long time resort boots have khions with zipfits. My instep is getting really cranky. Looking at the shell it's pretty obvious the pressure is right at the instep fold. I punched shells before using a heat gun and a bottle to push the shell, but the khions have carbon fiber bits in that area. Is carbon fiber sensitive to heating?

[mntlion]

So I have been getting pain in the outside of my foot the last few years in my ski boots, but also get it in my hockey skates, some of my shoes even. It's in between my heel and the ball of my foot, on the bottom of my foot, but to the outside.

My ski boots and liners are baked, I have superfeet (fitted, but not custom) in them, and have done some punches in other spots. Same for my hockey skates.

Unweighting my feet helps the pain, but loosening buckles/laces doesn't really help that much.

Any thoughts from the experts?

how is it with a different (or no footbed)

Might be the lateral/outside arch pushing up too much? might be a shell width thing?

what is the shell fit like? (in mm, NOT fingers) might be boots too big and foot clawing to hang on to something?

[Supermoon]

how is it with a different (or no footbed)

Might be the lateral/outside arch pushing up too much? might be a shell width thing?

what is the shell fit like? (in mm, NOT fingers) might be boots too big and foot clawing to hang on to something?

Ok interesting thoughts here. I was thinking my shells were somehow too narrow, but maybe the other way around? I’ll measure them and see. Maybe I’ll try a slightly thicker sock as well.

Definitely better with the superfeet vs stock footbeds. I haven’t tried no footbeds.

[Cocximus]

Bottle of Prosecco and a heat gun took care of the shells. It hurt just looking the the bottle being pinched in the boot.

I still had a hotspot in front of the instep. The zipfits tongue plastic was also causing some hotspots. I chopped a good chunk of it off and now the boots feel amazing.

[Duffman]

So finally got to try out the new Cochise vs ny OG 130 Pro green ones, both 27.5 but w intuition pro wraps in the old ones.Had local fitter punch out the forefoot which worked well. Toe box better shaped in this version and great heel ankle and shin fit One issue though, the instep is way lower in this version, more than I thought. Even swapping my old ProWraps w a lot of mileage on them , I can feel significant pressure over the medial instep ,even worse w the new stock liners ,but since it's there w the old intuitions also its clearly shell height . Lateral instep and toe height is great.

A few questions... How much can I expect this area to pack out. It's tolerable but def noticably uncomfortable wearing around the house, but I have the boots on for 30 min and haven't gone numb or anything.

What's the best way to address this. Clearly need a bit more shell height right at the top of the instep right under the second buckle . Its almost directly under the second buckle latch, even with the buckle undone it's crushing there. I did not have any real issues with this spot in the older version of this boot.

Edit to add: i pulled the zeppa out and it's pretty thin. I'm not sure how much volume could be gotten by grinding that.

[Duffman]

Double posting because every time I edit on mobile it deletes.

If I take my custom bed out, the instep pressure goes away (no surprise there, but then my toes lengthen and hit the front and the heel is sloppy, so just a experiment not a real option

Dumb question #2... Does moving the floating tongue back or forwards typically help with upper instep fit (right over the cuniforms)

[mntlion]

move tongue upward

ski first day+ without footbeds to allow liner to pack out. Most of that happens in the heel, but that allows your foot to move rearward and the forefoot into a taller place inthe liner

yes, you can punch out a boot upward

you can ski without the boot board to start with to allow more instep room

[Duffman]

move tongue upward

ski first day+ without footbeds to allow liner to pack out. Most of that happens in the heel, but that allows your foot to move rearward and the forefoot into a taller place inthe liner

yes, you can punch out a boot upward

you can ski without the boot board to start with to allow more instep room

I have a small 1/4 in heel lift (absolutely needed for tight Achilles and crappy dorsiflexion ) on the zeppa so pulling it isn't really an option. May try throwing the stock beds in for the first day or so just to gain a few mm of height until they pack out a bit.

Forgot to mention the lift before , since I need that lift there is there anything to be gained by grinding the footboard at all?

[mntlion]

Forgot to mention the lift before , since I need that lift there is there anything to be gained by grinding the footboard at all?

If you grind bootboard (or get a vertical punch) more instep room? wasn't that the goal?

[Duffman]

If you grind bootboard (or get a vertical punch) more instep room? wasn't that the goal?

I didn't phrase that well. How much room can I get grinding the board, especially with a heel lift still on there after the grind. Is it worth doing that vs a vertical punch ?

[mntlion]

I would start with footbed, and packing out the liner.

test the sytem with out boot board and if that is still too tight, then odds are its not the right boot anyways

but you acn get 2-4 mm out of boot board and the same from shell stretch

[Duffman]

I would start with footbed, and packing out the liner.

test the sytem with out boot board and if that is still too tight, then odds are its not the right boot anyways

but you acn get 2-4 mm out of boot board and the same from shell stretch

So take the entire zeppa out and just put the liner in over the open cavity?

[mntlion]

So take the entire zeppa out and just put the liner in over the open cavity?

if that doesn't make enought room for the instep nothing will and the boot is NOT the right thing to work on.

but yes. I have sent a few skiers out with no boot board. Some keep skiing that way, some put it back in as things pack out