To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[stuckathuntermtn]

Bring back Hemingway

[riser4]

YEAH, EXCEPT DOCTORS DON'T OWN THE HOSPITALS THEY WORK FOR.........DUMBASS. HOSPITALS ARE FOR PROFIT AND MAKE MORE WITH ICU BEDS FULL. DOCTORS AREN'T THE HOSPITALS, YA LEFTIST FUCKTARD.

OH NOES. ALL CAPS FROM DONG. NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!

[XXX-er]

I read that the hospitols down thar in the for profit model are having probelms cuz with full ICU's they can't do the surgery they made a lot of money on

up here they never never made money anyhow so the ICU's are just full and surgeries don't get done

[The AD]

Yeah, hospitals were really struggling to make money before Covid came along. Thank God for this fortuitous shot in the arm for them!
https://www.facs.org/media/press-rel...-losses-102321

[altasnob]

WOOHOO!

Pfizer and BioNTech are requesting emergency use authorization for their two-dose Covid-19 vaccine for children age 6 months up to 5 years, the companies said Tuesday.

The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is already authorized for use in people as young as 5, and if authorized, this shot would be the first Covid-19 vaccine available for the youngest children. The companies are continuing to test a three-dose version of the vaccine in this younger age group.

In December, Pfizer extended its vaccine in trial in younger children after two child-sized doses of the vaccine did not produce the expected immunity in the 2- to 5-year-olds, although it did so for the babies up to age 2.

For people age 12 and older, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine dose is 30 micrograms of vaccine, and for kids ages 5 to 11, it was stepped down to 10 micrograms. The dose for the youngest children is even lower – 3 micrograms a dose.

CNN reported earlier on Tuesday that Pfizer was encouraged to seek authorization for the two-dose vaccine by federal regulators, who hope the EUA can be granted by late February. Waiting on data for three doses could extend the wait until March.

“If the goal of the vaccine is to get baseline immunity in the kids – to prevent really bad outcomes and you're really not using the vaccine as a tool to prevent infection in the first place – two doses could do that," Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former FDA commissioner and current Pfizer board member, said on CBS on Sunday. "I think that may be why federal health officials are rethinking this.”

Are you going to get your kids vaccinated right away? The approved 2 shots were only found to be effective for those age 6 months to 2 years. Not effective for 2 years to 5. They will likely approve a third dose that will hopefully make the whole 3 dose regime effective for those age 2 to 5. But should you wait for approval of the full 3 doses first, which will likely come by the end of March? Also, should you wait for Moderna to be approved, which has consistently found to be more effective? Or should you wait for an Omicron specific vaccine, which both Pfizer and Moderna are working on for the under 5 crowd?

[Buzzworthy]

YEAH, EXCEPT DOCTORS DON'T OWN THE HOSPITALS THEY WORK FOR.........DUMBASS. HOSPITALS ARE FOR PROFIT AND MAKE MORE WITH ICU BEDS FULL. DOCTORS AREN'T THE HOSPITALS, YA LEFTIST FUCKTARD.

Fucking moron. Go play with your guns.

[dunfree]

YEAH, EXCEPT DOCTORS DON'T OWN THE HOSPITALS THEY WORK FOR.........DUMBASS. HOSPITALS ARE FOR PROFIT AND MAKE MORE WITH ICU BEDS FULL. DOCTORS AREN'T THE HOSPITALS, YA LEFTIST FUCKTARD.

oh, Bret’s tiny little dick, many hospitals are not for profit, and that’s the scam, you gaping anus. Now, I’ve got an oookie cookie nft from one of your summit county brodowns, wanna bid!?

[wooley12]

YEAH, EXCEPT ............. FUCKTARD.

You're cuter when you call out mags with your shtick. Vomiting 2 year old shit is boring.

[old goat]

It's good if the <5 kids get shots, especially that opens the door to making covid vaccination part of the suite of vaccines to enroll in schools. But currently 5-12's are 30% one shot and 20% two shots, and the number is growing very slowly.

[SumJongGuy]

What are DONG SLOBBER'S medical qualifications? Oral Urologist?? People are saying that cures COVID..

[Tri-Ungulate]

Mebbe his career as a fry cook ain't panning out the way he'd hoped.

[dunfree]

What are DONG SLOBBER'S medical qualifications? Oral Urologist?? People are saying that cures COVID..

Rimjober isn’t really a board certified position, hence his butthurt

[funkendrenchman]

Are you going to get your kids vaccinated right away? The approved 2 shots were only found to be effective for those age 6 months to 2 years. Not effective for 2 years to 5. They will likely approve a third dose that will hopefully make the whole 3 dose regime effective for those age 2 to 5. But should you wait for approval of the full 3 doses first, which will likely come by the end of March? Also, should you wait for Moderna to be approved, which has consistently found to be more effective? Or should you wait for an Omicron specific vaccine, which both Pfizer and Moderna are working on for the under 5 crowd?

I will get her vaccinated right away with the 2 doses knowing the third dose will likely be required for full protection. The adult population seems to be doing fine without an Omicron specific booster.

[jono]

Seems pretty on brand that Alta's ready to question every option but the dose interval.

[bennymac]

New word: con-troll-rian

Yeah it needs work

[Benny Profane]

It would be tough to piss on the US Tomb of the Unknown Soldier with a 24/7/365 guard. I don't know if those rifles are loaded but I don't think the bayonets are rubber..

The only time I was there the sentry loudly asked the tourist crowd to be quiet when they got loud and treated it like a Disney attraction.

[altasnob]

Seems pretty on brand that Alta's ready to question every option but the dose interval.

I'm confused. Dose interval isn't an option, at least that wasn't my experience. I got the first does and they told me to come back on a second date for the second dose. I had no option.

Anyway, what would you do Jono for an under 2 kid and an under 5 kid? They are likely approving the 2 doses of Pfizer this week despite the fact Pfizer says the two doses, alone, do not produce the desired immunity for those age 2 to 5. Pfizer did not want to submit their data yet, but the government asked them to, something the media has described as "unusual." I am not sure why they did this. Could be because the two shots IS effective for 6 months to 2 years and they wanted to make the vaccine available to that age group as soon as possible. But do they then recommend a third dose for that age group, or keep it at 2? I have read that even if they want a separate regimen for the under 2 crowd, logistically, that is difficult. Everything I read indicates it is likely the third dose makes the entire 3 dose regime EFFECTIVE for those age 2 to 5, but there are no guarantees. Jono sounds kind of Swedish so maybe you follow their advice and do not get your kids vaccinated at all? In any event, I don't think this unusual rollout will do anything to improve that 30% under 12 vaccination rate cited by Old Goat.

[jono]

If I had a 2-5yo I'd read up on the topic by seeking out primary sources. Because it would matter enough to need to be right, not just win on the internet. Dose interval has been discussed a lot. Sources cited, even. Search, JONG.

[altasnob]

What primary sources exist on the vaccine and kids under 5? To a lay person like myself, this is how the process works. A private company conducts their own clinical studies. They then submit their results to the government, who seems to authorize use within days of having this data submitted. Then Americans are told to march their kids in for vaccination. That's it. There a not any studies on effectiveness and affects of vaccines on kids under 5, today, because the only kids under 5 who have been given the vaccine are part of Pfizer's private clinical study. Maybe months or years down the road, after the vaccine has been approved, we will start seeing studies.

As Goat points out, under 12 vaccination rate is only 30%. In other words, there are die-hard proponents of vaccine who are still reluctant to vaccinate their under 12. Why is this? I'll answer-because no one wants their kid to be the guinea pig. I don't really care about myself but how awful would you feel if your otherwise healthy under 5 kid had a severe adverse reaction?

It seems what you are suggesting is to ignore the official protocol and space your doses more than what is recommended? I'm too much of a pussy to do anything like that and will always revert to what the mainstream medical advice is.

[oldnew_guy]

What primary sources exist on the vaccine and kids under 5? To a lay person like myself, this is how the process works. A private company conducts their own clinical studies. They then submit their results to the government, who seems to authorize use within days of having this data submitted. Then Americans are told to march their kids in for vaccination. That's it. There a not any studies on effectiveness and affects of vaccines on kids under 5, today, because the only kids under 5 who have been given the vaccine are part of Pfizer's private clinical study. Maybe months or years down the road, after the vaccine has been approved, we will start seeing studies.

As Goat points out, under 12 vaccination rate is only 30%. In other words, there are die-hard proponents of vaccine who are still reluctant to vaccinate their under 12. Why is this? I'll answer-because no one wants their kid to be the guinea pig. I don't really care about myself but how awful would you feel if your otherwise healthy under 5 kid had a severe adverse reaction?

It seems what you are suggesting is to ignore the official protocol and space your doses more than what is recommended? I'm too much of a pussy to do anything like that and will always revert to what the mainstream medical advice is.

This sort of smacks of the people who wanted alternative vaccine schedules for their special snowflakes when autism hysteria was really going.

Im less interested in the reduction in risk profile for serious illness and hospitalization and more about long CoVID in kids, potential for increased risk of developing diabetes, etc.

Will get as recommended by PCP.

[jono]

It seems what you are suggesting is to ignore the official protocol and space your doses more than what is recommended? I'm too much of a pussy to do anything like that and will always revert to what the mainstream medical advice is.

Official protocol. FFS, it's not even approved yet. No. What I'm suggesting is that of all the things you "question" the most feasible and accessible thing you might adjust (it's been done in adults in other countries and with help from doctors when appropriate) was completely left off the list. If you're too much of a pussy to even look into that than STFU about all the more ridiculous nonsense.

[altasnob]

This sort of smacks of the people who wanted alternative vaccine schedules for their special snowflakes when autism hysteria was really going.

Im less interested in the reduction in risk profile for serious illness and hospitalization and more about long CoVID in kids, potential for increased risk of developing diabetes, etc.

Will get as recommended by PCP.

Well, 70% of American parents are raising special snowflakes then.

You do realize that by the time the Omicron wave subsides in a few weeks, that over 40% of kids under 5 will have been infected with COVID unvaccinated? And that 40% number is an underestimate. The true number is likely much, much, higher. Not to minimize the risk of long COVID or diabetes, but it's hard to be too fearful of something that most likely has already happened.

Every single PCP in America will be telling us to rush out and get the Pfizer right away. But hasn't anyone who got Pfizer or JnJ wondered whether they maybe should have shopped around more for Moderna after seeing study after study showing that that is the most effective vaccine? Or done what Jono is suggesting and space the doses longer than what we are being told? I'll be discussing this issue with my kid's pediatrician, but I am also going to be discussing this with my pediatrician friend who has a kid under 5 who I believe will be more candid in the discussion since it's not official doctor advice.

[MTT]

Any thoughts on testing kids for antibodies “already had Covid “. Before vaccinating for Covid

I would want to make an informed decision with that information on hand

[MagnificentUnicorn]

trolls and tools like Bunny who don’t have the stomach for this (because they’re starting to see a faint light at the end of the tunnel signifying the backside of life) will instead lash out at the doctors for mislabeling hospitalizations and deaths as covid in order to fill their pocketbooks - parroting the dumbest of ideas from the far right and undereducated. Doctors would like nothing more than for this to be over.

My hospital gets out ahead of this bullshit now. We’ve broken out the patient hospitalizations into hospitalized WITH Covid and hospitalized FOR Covid. Patients hospitalized FOR Covid are still mostly unvaccinated.


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[altasnob]

Any thoughts on testing kids for antibodies “already had Covid “. Before vaccinating for Covid

I would want to make an informed decision with that information on hand

Too costly. Involves drawing and analyzing blood. As far as I know, if you want your blood analyzed for antibodies you have to pay out of pocket for that.