To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**TNKen** · 08-02-2021, 02:28 PM

Our local hospital "system" covers about 20 counties in SW Virginia and NE Tennessee. During the peak of the initial outbreak, peak "positivity" rate out of all hospitalized patients was about 38%.

By early 2021, it had fallen to sub-1%. System is now back to about 13%, and the COVID ICU and COVIC floors are beginning to re-open as the Delta variant cases increase.

**abraham** · 08-02-2021, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by TNKen

Our local hospital "system" covers about 20 counties in SW Virginia and NE Tennessee. During the peak of the initial outbreak, peak "positivity" rate out of all hospitalized patients was about 38%.

By early 2021, it had fallen to sub-1%. System is now back to about 13%, and the COVID ICU and COVIC floors are beginning to re-open as the Delta variant cases increase.

How are your relatives feeling about it? Daughter or wife is a nurse or similar, right?

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-02-2021, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by ron johnson

LOL

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r100klast7days

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**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I suspect for his next act he'll say all coronaviruses, not just COVID-19.

And yeah, there are a lot of old people in FLA who probably are not complete idiots and figured out a completely safe vaccine is the path to normalcy.

Also, I guess RJ is giving up on herd immunity since he thinks COVID-19 will rage FOREVER!!!!

"completely safe" - what a good little foot soldier you are.

And then you double down on Florida's success being due to smart old people, just amazing. I guess Florida must have the smartest old population in the country? There's a whole lot of Trump voters in that demographic you know?

**wooley12** · 08-02-2021, 03:02 PM

One page with 7 RJ troll posts. Ban that koksucker already.

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r100klast7days

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I'm laughing at you because you think the last 7 days has any kind of relevance when we have 18 months of data that show Florida did amazing compared to what the collective minds on this board would have expected.

**MultiVerse** · 08-02-2021, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by neufox47

Yes of course it goes away when we hit 100% vaccination. What disease hasn’t went away when we have an effective vaccine that is taken by the vast majority of the population? Measles went away (until dumb fuck antivaxxers became more prevalent), even though the measles vaccine is less effective than the MRNA vaccines and way more contagious than even Delta.

Not to mention even though Iceland is now open for tourism in spite of "cases are currently at their highest level ever," we're still mostly talking about daily case numbers in the double digits.

So yeah even though delta is incredibly efficient at finding the vulnerable faster than any time previously the mRNA vaccines are in fact proving effective, albeit less so than before.

In California, for example, the unvaccinated are now 15X more likely than the vaccinated to be infected with delta:

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**Todd Zander** · 08-02-2021, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by ron johnson

Comfortable mask is an oxymoron. When I'm in that situation I let it hang from one ear. Either way, even if there is a defensible reason to wear a mask solo in a car, do you deny that there are nutjobs out there wearing them because it makes them feel safe?

Replace the word mask with gun

**rod9301** · 08-02-2021, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by ron johnson

I don't believe that the vaccines are without long term safety data. It's a simple fact. You're preferred professionals, virologists, immunologists, and medical experts are the one's that believe they are safe long term. It is undeniable that any scientific professional that questions the mainstream narrative on vaccines is take a huge career risk. And there are people in these fields that question the mainstream narrative. Robert Malone is one of the creators of mRNA vaccines and he regrets taking it.

For the record, I think some people should take the vaccine. I just don't think it makes sense for me. I firmly believe there is a cutoff point where the risk isn't worth the reward. We can argue where the cutoff point is, but to pretend it doesn't exist is disingenuous. For instance, the UK thinks kids under 18 shouldn't take it: https://apnews.com/article/europe-he...6ed14bd3cc12a5

Maybe because these things are voluntary??

Get real. We had 90%+ mask compliance in this country for a year. It did nothing. The vaccinated are still spreading COVID. Iceland currently has the highest amount of cases of the entire pandemic despite the majority of its adult population being vaccinated and nearly 100% of people over 50. COVID is here forever.

Iceman is 71 percent fully vaccinated, and true, new cases have spiked in the last couple of weeks.

Hopefully, deaths week not spike.

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**Buster Highmen** · 08-02-2021, 03:18 PM

Interesting data here. Note FL.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...S&ceid=US%3Aen .

Cases per 1M:
North Dakota 146,583
Rhode Island 145,691
South Dakota 141,542
Utah 134,917
Tennessee 128,838
Oklahoma 121,465
Florida 120,623
Iowa 120,377
South Carolina 119,864
Alabama 119,801
Nebraska 118,098
Wisconsin 118,057

Mask compliance was never anywhere near 90%, at least across ID, UT,WY and CO.

**wooley12** · 08-02-2021, 03:25 PM

Quoting RJ is like beating a dead cat.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 08-02-2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Interesting data here. Note FL.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...S&ceid=US%3Aen .

Cases per 1M:
North Dakota 146,583
Rhode Island 145,691
South Dakota 141,542
Utah 134,917
Tennessee 128,838
Oklahoma 121,465
Florida 120,623
Iowa 120,377
South Carolina 119,864
Alabama 119,801
Nebraska 118,098
Wisconsin 118,057

Mask compliance was never anywhere near 90%, at least across ID, UT,WY and CO.

FLA already overtook NY in total cases, and with this latest wave might overtake NY in deaths too, yet having a smaller population, less density and available vaccines.

PB · 08-02-2021, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by wooley12

One page with 7 RJ troll posts. Ban that koksucker already.

The fact that he's flummoxed by rates alone is more than ban-worthy.

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

FLA already overtook NY in total cases, and with this latest wave might overtake NY in deaths too, yet having a smaller population, less density and available vaccines.

Adjusted for population they aren't even close to overtaking NY in deaths. I don't know why this concept is so hard.

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by PB

The fact that he's flummoxed by rates alone is more than ban-worthy.

Got an example?

**ex-powderbroker** · 08-02-2021, 04:43 PM

Iceland sounds fucked, how many deaths are they up to, 40,50k? no? well what about recently? nothing? no deaths since november 2020? oh. I guess i’ll shut up about Iceland’s case count now.

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 04:44 PM

Is the "science" finally coming around?

Biden COVID advisor Michael Osterholm on CNN today: “We know today that many of the face cloth coverings that people wear are not very effective in reducing any of the virus movement in or out."
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/statu...61427210006541

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by ml242

Iceland sounds fucked, how many deaths are they up to, 40,50k? no? well what about recently? nothing? no deaths since november 2020? oh. I guess i’ll shut up about Iceland’s case count now.

Totally missing the point, but that's no surprise for someone who can't read a graph.

**ex-powderbroker** · 08-02-2021, 04:52 PM

what’s the point, that when you go from 5 cases to 10 the sky is falling? i’m surprised you can leave the house with that attitude.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-02-2021, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by ron johnson

I'm laughing at you because you think the last 7 days has any kind of relevance when we have 18 months of data that show Florida did amazing compared to what the collective minds on this board would have expected.

We’re laughing at you because we live in the present and Florida is at the bottom of the barrel right now.

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**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by ml242

what’s the point, that when you go from 5 cases to 10 the sky is falling? i’m surprised you can leave the house with that attitude.

That COVID cases will still be here even if people get vaccinated.

**ron johnson** · 08-02-2021, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

We’re laughing at you because we live in the present and Florida is at the bottom of the barrel right now.

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I'm laughing at you because you don't understand seasonality. What are you going to say when cases fall off in the next couple weeks?

**k2skier112** · 08-02-2021, 05:12 PM

Put the fucking morons on ignore and stop replying. They're too brainwashed to get a clue, they aren't changing their minds. Engaging with the trolls is the epitome of insanity

**Adolf Allerbush** · 08-02-2021, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by k2skier112

Put the fucking morons on ignore and stop replying. They're too brainwashed to get a clue, they aren't changing their minds. Engaging with the trolls is the epitome of insanity

It's fun tho! They're such idiots.