To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[concretejungle]

Apparently 90% of the Costco customers in Bozeman are vaxxed. It was nice to see the employees both masked and unmasked as that'll give me a bit of ammo at my place of employment.

[MontuckyFried]

My guess is that they picked the intramuscular location most conducive to a mass vax clinic setting.

Corroborating what I found with some internet searching, you are correct, sir. In a nutshell, that's all it boils down to apparently. Supposedly, a butt shot wouldn't be any more or less effective than the arm, although some things I read said there's really no data yet to substantiate it one way or another. But yeah, they said arms are simply more conducive to mass vaccination and that's basically it.

[The AD]

I tried to swim this morning and the arm I got my shot in is still very sore. I can really just barely do a full arm rotation. Obviously it's not real conducive to swimming. I'm surprised it's still like this almost 72 hours after the shot.

[paulster2626]

Canada has now passed the USA in % of population who have received their first dose, with no signs of slowing down. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Get your shit together, 'murica. (wags finger)

[Ted Striker]

We're hitting a wall. The one the Trump actually built. And RFK jr. And Jenny McCarthy. And Zuckerberg...

NPR: Just 12 People Are Behind Most Vaccine Hoaxes On Social Media

[old goat]

J&J is more effective at preventing severe/critical illness >4 weeks after inoculation vs 2. If you get into the data, J&J is quite a bit more effective 6-8 weeks after inoculation where it is competitive with mRNA vaccine efficacy... (of course mRNA efficacy data is was measured 5-6 weeks after the first dose).

But for whatever reason (simplicity? realism?) they've chose "2 weeks after you last dose" as the metric for "fully vaccinated."

Sure but to be clear you’re talking about pain from the needle piercing the skin (which is short lived and yes is just due to chance) and then pain post injection (which I suspect has little to do with pain receptors in the skin).

People not feeling any muscle pain post injection could be due to many reasons - the most likely is the individual immune system response to the vaccine - but it could also in some cases be due to the injection being delivered into fat between the skin and muscle (if a long enough needle is not used or the needle isn’t inserted deep enough).

I was responding to Jong Lafitte's concerned that there was something wrong with his first shot because he didn't feel much. I should have mentioned that there are pain receptors in muscles and the proximity of the injection to those can also influence how the shot feels as well as the speed of the injection--faster might hurt slightly more. Pain in the shoulder or arm lingering after the injection is from the inflammatory reaction to the vaccine and is unrelated, except in the very rare cases of axillary or radial nerve injury.

One of the reasons the deltoid is used is because it is less fatty than other parts of the body in fat people. If they were injecting people in the ass they'd have to bring Ahab back from the dead. The ass is preferred when the volume of the injection is large--like MF's repeated penicillin shots.

[XXX-er]

Vax doesnt use a great big fucking needle like they are use to draw spinal fluid with, its a little fucking needle

Canada has now passed the USA in % of population who have received their first dose, with no signs of slowing down. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Get your shit together, 'murica. (wags finger)

Someone suggested the % of stupid people on either side of the 49th would be the same

but I argued we don't have republicans

only way they are gona get more vax n arms down thar is to pay people off

[TBS]

Sign on the door of our local fly fishing shop yesterday
“Yes, you still have to wear a mask, even if you claim to be vaccinated.”

[Adolf Allerbush]

Sign on the door of our local fly fishing shop yesterday
“Yes, you still have to wear a mask, even if you claim to be vaccinated.”

it's odd here in Oregon (portland metro area) because the only people I know who aren't vaccinated are happy to tell you they're not vaccinated. Definitely a combination of Jenny McCarthy, Trump, RFK Jr, influence, but also a bunch of lazy people who don't think COVID is a big deal or, presumably, are afraid of needles...a cousin of mine and uncle fall into this category.

[Not DJSapp]

I tried to swim this morning and the arm I got my shot in is still very sore. I can really just barely do a full arm rotation. Obviously it's not real conducive to swimming. I'm surprised it's still like this almost 72 hours after the shot.

oooooohhh, you must be have got the really, really big 5G antenna. Lucky you. Your wifi is going to be killer

[paulster2626]

Vax doesnt use a great big fucking needle like they are use to draw spinal fluid with, its a little fucking needle



Someone suggested the % of stupid people on either side of the 49th would be the same

but I argued we don't have republicans

only way they are gona get more vax n arms down thar is to pay people off

All they have to do here is show the % of Americans who've been vaccinated and we'll all do our best to 1-up them due to our inferiority complex. It's the Canadian way!

FWIW, my anti-vax/vax-hesitant friend (we all have one, don't we) told me the other day he's "done his research" and will be getting the Pfizer shot once the initial rush dies down. I told him he's made me happy. We are pals again!

[PB]

Sign on the door of our local fly fishing shop yesterday
“Yes, you still have to wear a mask, even if you claim to be vaccinated.”

Well of course you should wear a mask; I mean, the place is full flies for dog's sake.

[MontuckyFried]

One of the reasons the deltoid is used is because it is less fatty than other parts of the body in fat people. If they were injecting people in the ass they'd have to bring Ahab back from the dead. The ass is preferred when the volume of the injection is large--like MF's repeated penicillin shots.

Ah! Thanks for splaining. How'd ya know it was penicillin?! Haha. Although I wish I had a more scandalous back story tied to it, it was simply that it was SOP that EVERYONE gets it when starting basic training, and got it again pre-emptively before they sent me to the sticks in Africa cuz of reasons? Always thought it odd they'd nuke my system before doing anything, but that's the government for ya. That shot SUCKS, though. Like a golf ball of paste shoved into your ass cheek with a hudge needle. Everything else is child's play after that.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Ah! Thanks for splaining. How'd ya know it was penicillin?! Haha. Although I wish I had a more scandalous back story tied to it, it was simply that it was SOP that EVERYONE gets it when starting basic training, and got it again pre-emptively before they sent me to the sticks in Africa cuz of reasons? Always thought it odd they'd nuke my system before doing anything, but that's the government for ya. That shot SUCKS, though. Like a golf ball of paste shoved into your ass cheek with a hudge needle. Everything else is child's play after that.

The shot before your deployment was likely IgG not penicillin.


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[MontuckyFried]

The shot before your deployment was likely IgG not penicillin.

Interesting. You could be right. I dunno. It was always like "line up" and you take whatever they wanted to put in you. Anthrax was another one that wasn't fun. Totally pointless in the end too.

[The AD]

I guess you could argue every vaccine is pointless until it's not. That's sort of the definition of preventive medicine.

[old goat]

I guess you could argue every vaccine is pointless until it's not. That's sort of the definition of preventive medicine.

Just like armies.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Interesting. You could be right. I dunno. It was always like "line up" and you take whatever they wanted to put in you. Anthrax was another one that wasn't fun. Totally pointless in the end too.

I had both IgG and anthrax vaccine. Why did you get the anthrax vaccine, were you deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan? I got the anthrax vaccine in ‘91 and it was experimental but we didn’t have a choice.


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[TBS]

State of Oregon just announced a raffle - get at least one shot by June 27 and you’re eligible for a $1,000,000 prize.

[The AD]

Just like armies.

Yep, good point.

[subtle plague]

Second Biontec shot yesterday. No side effects except a slightly sore arm. But I swear I had an elrvated state of mind yesterday where I could understand SFB!


But since the other arm is also sore from the climbing Session on saturday I can barely make out the difference.

[neufox47]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ne&no_nav=true


Interesting article about the differences in Covid rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

[alpinevibes]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ne&no_nav=true


Interesting article about the differences in Covid rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

Compelling data but very scary with how counties and states are just throwing restrictions to the wayside

[MultiVerse]

State of Oregon just announced a raffle - get at least one shot by June 27 and you’re eligible for a $1,000,000 prize.

The Ohio vax lotto is working. What makes it such a good idea compared with other vax incentive proposals is that it targets the folks who are bad at assessing risks. It brings out people who over-estimate the risk of rare side-effects by incentivizing an over-estimated hope for rare-benefits.

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[Core Shot]

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