To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Sirshredalot]

I got ModeRNA shot number 2 on Wednesday evening. I ran a mild fever and felt pretty lousy yesterday.

I feel fine today. My 5G coverage is top shelf and my Bill Gates microchip booted up smoothly and paired nicely with my phone.

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[old goat]

If a vaccine (J and J) prevents severe disease and keeps infected people out of the hospital but doesn't keep people from getting infected, in the long run is that good or bad in the long run. Since a lot of those mildly to moderately sick people will be exposing unvaccinated people?

[mcski]

If a vaccine (J and J) prevents severe disease and keeps infected people out of the hospital but doesn't keep people from getting infected, in the long run is that good or bad in the long run. Since a lot of those mildly to moderately sick people will be exposing unvaccinated people?

It’s confusing to me that a vaccine would have a range like that. I’m sure there are others w similar antibody response but I’ve never heard a vaccine describe like that before

[KQ]

It’s confusing to me that a vaccine would have a range like that. I’m sure there are others w similar antibody response but I’ve never heard a vaccine describe like that before

The flu vaccine is only 45 to 65% effective.

[mfcf13]

I got ModeRNA shot number 2 on Wednesday evening. I ran a mild fever and felt pretty lousy yesterday.

I feel fine today. My 5G coverage is top shelf and my Bill Gates microchip booted up smoothly and paired nicely with my phone.

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I LOLed. I'm curious, have you developed any autism symptoms?

[old goat]

I LOLed. I'm curious, have you developed any more autism symptoms?

fify

[Adolf Allerbush]

100% honest here... I never even saw your post. I just saw the opportunity for a joke.

I really didn't understand his post. I still don't.

[mcski]

The flu vaccine is only 45 to 65% effective.

Not the percentage effective. I’m aware of the general range of the flu vaccine. I mean referencing the vaccine as 70% for mild cases and 90% for serious (paraphrasing the j&j Numbers)

[jono]

I really didn't understand his post. I still don't.

He was claiming that there is a correlation between the more COVID-vulnerable and those who don't have a photo ID. Like, the people some other people are always trying to keep away from the voting booth by requiring photo ID's because they know a certain population is less likely to have them. It's probably even true: if you were going to live without a photo ID it would be a lot easier as part of a multi-generational household. And statistically that means you're more at risk.

[Jacques Strap]

70% for mild cases and 90% for serious

The vaccine clinical studies (all of them: J&J, Pfizer, Moderna, etc.) assess whether a group of people given the vaccine are less likely to develop COVID than a similar group who weren't. None of them are measuring whether or not people in one group or the other are infected with SARS-Cov-2 at a greater or lesser rate.

Basically, a lower effective percentage for mild cases and a higher effective percentage for severe cases says that if you get the vaccine and then are exposed to SARS-CoV-2, you have a reduced probability of developing moderate COVID symptoms, and a greatly reduced probability of developing severe COVID symptoms.

One reason we are relying on symptomatolgy and not measuring infection rates after vaccination is because of the emergency use permission. We will know more about infection probabilities post-vaccination later, but it's not the critical endpoint. With a longer reporting and application timeline, we would have a better grasp on this possibility (we still will, just not for a while). And that's why we will need to continue masking and social distancing even after vaccination.

As old goat said, it is really unclear at this point whether someone who has been vaccinated and is exposed to SARS-CoV-2 but doesn't develop COVID symptoms can still transmit the disease (like the asymptomatic carriers we've all talked so much about). It is very generally thought (assumed?) the more severe your symptoms (or at least past some undetermined threshold) the more infectious you are. It follows that someone who has been vaccinated with the J&J vaccine, exposed, and develops moderate COVID symptoms would be more contagious than someone who was vaccinated with the Moderna or Pfiezer vaccine, exposed, and doesn't develop symptoms.

Sorry if this has all been covered before, I haven't worked my way back to Page 1 yet.

[glademaster]

My mom gets her first vaccine today. While I'm happy for her individually as my mom, I am extremely disappointed that someone like her is eligible to be vaccinated this early in the process. The selfish generation strikes again.

[telechuck]

Update 48 hours later. Felt awful the first night, fever, chills, aches, bad sleep. Slept most of the next day with aches and malaise. Woke up this morning feeling 95%. Call it 36+ hours of feeling crappy for some level of immunity. I will take it.

My day to day won’t change as my wife isn’t vaccinated for quite some time. It will give me a bit more peace of mind when working with sick patients or that asshat at the hardware store that won’t mask up.

Wear your mask, be safe, and get the shots when you can.

Second Moderna dose a few hours ago. So far, no Ill effects. Will update if that changes.

If you have the opportunity, please get your vaccine. As an EMT (almost a medic) I see sick people on the daily. It isn’t pretty, these aren’t dice you want to roll.


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[Sirshredalot]

I LOLed. I'm curious, have you developed any autism symptoms?

I would describe my autism symptoms as unchanged.

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[old goat]

What worries me is not so much vaccinated asymptomatic carriers--presumably these are people who do not have replicating virus--but those mildly to moderate J and J vaccinees who think they just have a cold, since they've been vaccinated, and decide to go into work or out clubbing. As long as the virus is spreading and replicating it is mutating and at some point we are back to square one.

Got an interesting email from Kaiser--25% of the population of california are members, Kaiser got 5% of the allocated doses. Not enough to even vaccinate its workers (most of whom are members). That has to be a deliberate decision from someone at the state level who has a grudge against Kaiser.

[The AD]

My mom gets her first vaccine today. While I'm happy for her individually as my mom, I am extremely disappointed that someone like her is eligible to be vaccinated this early in the process. The selfish generation strikes again.

Remember how you said you wanted to stick your head in an oven earlier this week? Maybe it's time.

[Ted Striker]

someone like her

Qué?

[jono]

Qué?

What? He's not saying we should disqualify whores and other risk takers like we do alcoholics who need new livers?

[PNWbrit]

Remember this when it's time to vote.

Because covid19 denier and freedumb GOP Gubernatorial candidate Loren Culp would have organized this better than Inslee?

[mfcf13]

Because covid19 denier and freedumb GOP Gubernatorial candidate Loren Culp would have organized this better than Inslee?

Hey now, being the sheriff of the town of Republic (pop 1,182) requires a lot of logistical expertise and large org leadership skills.

ETA: *fired* sheriff of Republic

[The AD]

Hey now, being the sheriff of the town of Republic (pop 1,182) requires a lot of logistical expertise and large org leadership experience.

ETA: *fired* sheriff of Republic

He wasn't sheriff. Sheriff is an elected position. He was the self proclaimed "Chief of Police" despite being the only police officer in the town.

[PNWbrit]

Hey now, being the sheriff of the town of Republic (pop 1,182) requires a lot of logistical expertise and large org leadership skills.

ETA: *fired* sheriff of Republic

And high school dropout... don't forget that gem.

Wonder who GM voted for?

[mfcf13]

He wasn't sheriff. Sheriff is an elected position. He was the self proclaimed "Chief of Police" despite being the only police officer in the town.

Jeez. Republicans sure do send the best and brightest. Marjorie Taylor Greene's major accomplishment prior to national office was running a cross fit gym that her daddy purchased for her.

[KQ]

Jeez. Republicans sure do send the best and brightest. Marjorie Taylor Greene's major accomplishment prior to national office was running a cross fit gym that her daddy purchased for her.

Don't forget Rep. Lauren Boebert from CO. She couldn't finish HS but managed to get a GED and now she's in Washington! You can't get into the armed services with a GED but you can run the country!





on the otherhand... one should applaud those who can end up making something of their lives despite early adversity but on the other there it seems like there should be a basic level of education ....

[Cono Este]

OJ got his vaccine. Khalid Sheik Mohamed is next.


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[mfcf13]

Don't forget Rep. Lauren Boebert from CO. She couldn't finish HS but managed to get a GED and now she's in Washington! You can't get into the armed services with a GED but you can run the country!





on the otherhand... one should applaud those who can end up making something of their lives despite early adversity but on the other there it seems like there should be a basic level of education ....

She dropped out of high school due to an unplanned pregnancy but she opposes sex education.

Also: her pit bulls were threatening their dogs. Boebert received a ticket for dog code violations.^[86]In 2015, she was cited for misdemeanor disorderly conduct at a music festival for telling officers that their arrest of a couple of underage drinkers was unconstitutional because the teenagers had not received Miranda warnings.^[87] As she was being handcuffed, according to deputies' reports, Boebert tried to twist away from police, saying that "she had friends at Fox News" and that the arrest would be "national news".^[87] She twice failed to appear in court on the charge

She sounds like a winner. The only thing she did that was smart was to marry a guy who worked in oil and gas. I don't think she overcame adversity, more like she found a sugar daddy.


Edit to add: I don't think pit bulls are inherently a bad breed. But people like this who own pit bulls are why the breed has gotten a bad name.