To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think that's who glademaster was responding to (and I don't disagree) but there are many other examples in this thread. Why are their lives more valuable than minorities living in 3rd world countries without easy access to modern healthcare? Why should those people die, and the privileged white American's live?

So now you’re a social justice warrior? It must suck going through life disagreeing with everyone and everything just so you can believe you hold the moral high ground.


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[prsboogie]

Done! Another privileged white registered nurse vaccinated against the minority killing virus! [emoji1596]

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[riser4]

Rumor is that a significant portion of the eligible workers at the hospital here in town are refusing the vaccine because they don't trust it. And not because they want to let vulnerable people get it first. Therefore, I don't feel bad about my wife getting it.

[DeathRaven]

So now you’re a social justice warrior? It must suck going through life disagreeing with everyone and everything just so you can believe you hold the moral high ground.


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So now you're a racist? It must suck going through life disagreeing with everyone and everything just because you are morally bankrupt.

I guess prsboogie and riser3 are racist as well. Very sad to watch the latent racism shine thru.

[prsboogie]

So now you're a racist? It must suck going through life disagreeing with everyone and everything just because you are morally bankrupt.

I guess prsboogie and riser3 are racist as well. Very sad to watch the latent racism shine thru.

Not racist, just responding to asinine comments.

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[prsboogie]

I'm an RN who works in the ER and we were included in the protocol to protect ourselves so we can protect our population. We all need to take a deep breath and stop throwing around "racism tags" without knowing a fucking thing about someone.

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[The AD]

I love how people assume healthcare workers are rational critical thinkers that trust science. A lot of them go into these careers just because it’s good money and they can pass the coursework. I know many at my hospital who aren’t going to get the vaccine because they don’t trust the science, it’s just the flu, I’m young, I’m going to wait and see, etc., etc. It’s baffling.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown within the general HCW category. I'll bet the more educated you are, the more likely you are to want the vaccine. Probably a pretty big spread between docs and those who went to Pima Medical.

Also is DeathRaven just the latest incarnation of steepconcrete? Hard to keep up...

[Bunion 2020]

More outrage for DR to be outraged about.

After briefing reporters Monday on plans to deliver coronavirus vaccines to Nebraska meatpacking plants, Gov. Pete Ricketts (R) was asked whether undocumented workers would be included.

“You’re supposed to be a legal resident of the country to be able to be working in those plants,” Ricketts replied. “So I do not expect that illegal immigrants will be part of the vaccine with that program.”

When his comments quickly went viral, stoking outrage from critics, Nebraska officials rushed to clarify. Immigrants would still qualify for the vaccine, one Ricketts aide said, but those without legal status would have to wait at the back of the line.

[bennymac]

Right? All of these privileged white folks gloating about them & theirs cutting the line and getting in front of the less privileged people who are at much higher risk? It's shameful, to be quite honest. Until all of the people in 3rd world countries have been vaccinated, followed by minority groups in the USA, any white American who gets the vaccine is complicit in the death of affected persons from marginalized groups. It is white privilege to the nth degree.

How do you know who lives where and who here is a minority?

Answer: you don’t.

[MultiVerse]

Doesn't it seem likely that we will be chasing mutations with yearly, or maybe less often vaccination? Although unless we wind up with a cheap, easy to make, easy to store, easy to give vaccine the challenge of maintaining an ongoing vaccination program with something like the Pfizer or Moderna will be daunting.

The good news is coronaviruses are somewhere around 3-5 times slower to evolve than the flu. The bad news is they do evolve. It looks like people who are immunocompromised or people who undergo convalescent plasma therapy have the potential to make rapid evolution possible which accelerates the whole process.

Even if the UK, Brazil, South African variants are not a problem for the current vaccines, the virus will continue to evolve under selection pressure as more and more people acquire immunity either through vaccines or naturally. The evolutionary process is just one of the reasons why naturally acquired herd immunity was never going to work.

Herd immunity has never been achieved through naturally acquired infections. It is only possible through mass immunization. Because mass immunization is unlikely for all the reasons mentioned in this thread the likely scenario is for the virus to become endemic necessitating booster shots every 2-to-5 years. However, fewer susceptible people makes the endemic scenario less likely while more susceptible people makes it more likely.

[DeathRaven]

How do you know who lives where and who here is a minority?

Answer: you don’t.

I know that you live in Canuck-land, and that you are not a minority. Although with Mc/Mac sometimes it can be difficult to distinguish between irish and scottish heritage. That good enough for you, doc?

[jackstraw]

Guy at work has a daughter that is a nurse. She got the Pfizer one yesterday and had an allergic reaction. Tongue went completely numb. Ahh, the 80's [emoji3]

[prsboogie]

Fuck i love the ignore/block feature bye bye DR

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[bennymac]

I know that you live in Canuck-land, and that you are not a minority. Although with Mc/Mac sometimes it can be difficult to distinguish between irish and scottish heritage. That good enough for you, doc?

There are no minorities or people of color with Irish or Scottish surnames? You have so much to teach us.

But you still never answered my question. It’s ok though - you make for a boring topic.

[GoldMember]

Selfish.

Right? All of these privileged white folks gloating about them & theirs cutting the line and getting in front of the less privileged people who are at much higher risk? It's shameful, to be quite honest. Until all of the people in 3rd world countries have been vaccinated, followed by minority groups in the USA, any white American who gets the vaccine is complicit in the death of affected persons from marginalized groups. It is white privilege to the nth degree.

She's happy for her mom. It's a relief to her. She's sharing. Most people who are reporting in here regarding their or their family getting the vaccine are relating to those who directly relate with them. What's the problem, other than your looking for a platform to espouse how cool and enlightened you are? You're on the wrong message board if you're looking to change the world.

[skaredshtles]

You people need to stop quoting DR. Just stop. Ignore it and it'll go away...

[muted]

Wife gets one as she is a therapist we just found out, it's a surprise. Currently she is not doing any in-person sessions, so she is debating to not get one right now.

Due to the shitty rollout of this vaccine, I'm inclined for her to be selfish and get the fucker. It's not illegal for one thing, it was offered to her, and the future is not guaranteed in this chaos so let's add some stability to this household.

On the other hand, she doesn't need it right now and others do so morally it's wrong. But......she is behind all the frontline hospital workers, nursing homes, EMT, etc so who is she stealing from? There isn't an elderly or immune compromised person that is going to the back of the line because of her, it's not that scarce.

WWMD?

[GoldMember]

Selfish.

You people need to stop quoting DR. Just stop. Ignore it and it'll go away...

I'm just trying to help him out and give him some advice; preach somewhere else where he can maybe make a difference. TGR ain't it.

[DeathRaven]

There are no minorities or people of color with Irish or Scottish surnames? You have so much to teach us.

Sure, it's possible, but I've also seen a picture of you and your weak attempt at a beard.

But you still never answered my question.

Because they've shared the information here. prsboogie is a private school kid from Mass, KQ an affluent white woman in Washington, and riser3 is your average VT dirtbag. What else do you want to know?

[zion zig zag]

WWMD?

Tell her to get it.

[prsboogie]

Wife gets one as she is a therapist we just found out, it's a surprise. Currently she is not doing any in-person sessions, so she is debating to not get one right now.

Due to the shitty rollout of this vaccine, I'm inclined for her to be selfish and get the fucker. It's not illegal for one thing, it was offered to her, and the future is not guaranteed in this chaos so let's add some stability to this household.

On the other hand, she doesn't need it right now and others do so morally it's wrong. But......she is behind all the frontline hospital workers, nursing homes, EMT, etc so who is she stealing from? There isn't an elderly or immune compromised person that is going to the back of the line because of her, it's not that scarce.

WWMD?

Have her get it. She is not stopping someone else from getting it and she will be adding to the number of those who will be less likely to spread or contract.

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[skaredshtles]

I'm just trying to help him out and give him some advice; preach somewhere else where he can maybe make a difference. TGR ain't it.

You can't help bots.

[MultiVerse]

Wife gets one as she is a therapist we just found out, it's a surprise. Currently she is not doing any in-person sessions, so she is debating to not get one right now.

Due to the shitty rollout of this vaccine, I'm inclined for her to be selfish and get the fucker. It's not illegal for one thing, it was offered to her, and the future is not guaranteed in this chaos so let's add some stability to this household.

On the other hand, she doesn't need it right now and others do so morally it's wrong. But......she is behind all the frontline hospital workers, nursing homes, EMT, etc so who is she stealing from? There isn't an elderly or immune compromised person that is going to the back of the line because of her, it's not that scarce.

WWMD?

Get the vaccination. Our current problem is distribution, not vaccine shortages. DJSapp's article from yesterday is a good example of how we should go about vaccinating people: vaccinate by priority first but don't hold any in reserve. If there's vaccine sitting on a shelf at the end of the day then pull people off the street and vaccinate them too. Vaccinate the UPS driver, the FedEx driver, the pizza delivery guy, and whoever happens to be walking by. Worry less about who gets it, just vaccinate more people.

From the land of good news and people thinking on their feet:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...P-CP-Spotlight

TL: DR Ukiah Valley Medical Center's fridge broke down overnight, leaving 850 Moderna doses at room temp at 2am. They had about 4 hours to inject it all before it expired, and they got it done in 2.5 hours via social media and word of mouth for some first come first served action. They figured it was better to inject whomever they could get than to waste it. Good job Ukiah MC.

[DeathRaven]

She's happy for her mom. It's a relief to her. She's sharing. Most people who are reporting in here regarding their or their family getting the vaccine are relating to those who directly relate with them. What's the problem, other than your looking for a platform to espouse how cool and enlightened you are? You're on the wrong message board if you're looking to change the world.

I understand, but that's exactly the latent racism I am pointing out. To her, the health of her elderly mother who lives in a facility with health care practitioners, medicine & oxygen on site is more valuable than the lives of people of Africa who live an areas where there aren't even roads to access the meager heath care resources that may exist there. Who needs the vaccine more?

I understand that some might be daunted by the uphill battle of fighting racism on a message board devoted to wealthy white pursuits but that is exactly why it is so important to take a stand and refuse to accept the racist views espoused here.

[The AD]

Have her get it. She is not stopping someone else from getting it and she will be adding to the number of those who will be less likely to spread or contract.

Agreed. She's not the one making the rules. Everyone should get it as soon as it's available to them.