Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[The AD]

How is it that you not only can’t grasp that but that you just ignore each failure and post up more bullshit without any self awareness?

Simple, he only pays attention to data that supports his view on the matter. He's decided this whole thing is overblown and nothing can change that conclusion for him.

[mcphee]

Dont feed the troll.

I only troll you. Carry on eating shit you old hag.

[mcphee]

Alright alright, back to adulting.

So much for cheap giggles...I wasn’t, I guess, following along enough to have absorbed the level of ambient harshness in this thread.

Carry on.

all good, dude. wasnt meant as an attack, an attempt to troll, or an effort to lower the harshness of this thread or community. it's just a vile word and characterization.

[Self Jupiter]

And there's today's KYS post. Nice. I understand the motivation for the post but can't agree with the instruction. Perhaps jgb@etree should be instructed to go lick doorknobs and toilet seats instead.

And go infect someone else. I assume these are the same people that cut off 4 lanes of highway traffic because they weren’t paying attention until that was the only option to make their exit.

I don’t agree with the instruction either. But if you do not care for the welfare of others you do not deserve the privilege to exist in polite society.

[summit]

The Bakotard docs got an official smack down today

Attachment 326701

Burn notice

[Benny Profane]

I think I said it before, but all this got a lot easier for me when I resolved to just do my best with all the ppe and disinfecting and distancing, and also to go with the flow, and die like a good soldier if that’s how it turns out.
It’s a very reminiscent approach to fire and forestry, motorcycling, helicopters, dangerous ski stuff...etc.

Maybe the above is something that has to occur internally, so recommending it is absurd, but I’m just saying it’s helped me with lurching along through my day to day.

You just seem to be way ahead of the curve. The rest of us have to come to this state sooner or later if we have to. That is, to survive, not go back to "normal" life of the past. For the people who can easily avoid work and crowd interaction, it may just be lonely, while those that have no real choice will have to deal, one way or another. This is why this phrase "we are all in this together" is such bullshit. No we're not. Some of us are just fine, all we have to whine about is no skiing and bars and sports, while many others are forced to choose between health and starvation. Furgetabout the really rich and their second home fortresses with fast internet connections and delivery services.

Good luck.

[Benny Profane]

I only troll you. Carry on eating shit you old hag.

Dont flatter yourself. I was referring to another troll.

[Deebased]

The Bakotard docs got an official smack down today

Attachment 326701

So what do we do about Fauci and Ferguson for promoting misinformation?

[ill-advised strategy]

all good, dude. wasnt meant as an attack, an attempt to troll, or an effort to lower the harshness of this thread or community. it's just a vile word and characterization.

Sorry, I’m old school.
I love disabled people, but want to have my cake and eat it too by throwing the r-word around in non-serious contexts because I still think it’s inherently funny.

I dunno, I guess I’m turning into one of those old people who doesn’t phase language out with the changing culture. My bad.

[Ottime]

Dude never said he wasn’t going to do his job, rather that he’s not stupid enough to trust the views of politicians over science and medical advice.

The ‘just fucking do it or quit’ attitude is literally how people die at work, and how kids lose their moms and dads as a result. Not like you’d give a fuck though, apparently.

Or how kids does in factories.

Why do we even have labor laws? They just slow down the growth of wealth. Workers should do what ever they are told, stfu and no worry so much about their health and well being. Owners worry about that stuff plenty. Truth is, only a few will die. There will always be enough workers who want to work.

No one needs some critical thinker slowing the cogs of wealth development.

[Timberridge]

Good luck.

There will always be winners and losers in life, whether through skill, luck or guile. Life doesn't hand out participation trophies Benny.

[jono]

Stop being such a fucking pussy. If you don't want to do your job, quit.

Do you want unions? Because that's how you get unions.

[mall walker]

The kind of contact tracing that we could have using smartphones is so invasive that it would make KGB from the Cold War days wet their pants in glee. I'm not surprised that both the right and left see this as a slippery slope. Not sure how we could possibly create this surveillance apparatus, trust that it will be used responsibly, and retired when it's no longer needed.

Remember when the Patriot Act got passed in the aftermath of 9/11 without most of the senate even having read the bill, because of the panicked political environment and the pervasive national sentiment of "everyone must do everything they can to address this emergency"? It's still law, and we're still pointedly targeting muslim people (or people who we confuse for being muslim) under its auspices. Giving the government (the police) the ability to use data from your phone to decide how to restrict your physical movements is an absolutely horrifying prospect. Look at the voter disenfranchisement operations that happen in red states already. Now imagine you show up to vote, but your phone's GPS history shows you likely live in a predominantly poor democratic part of your district... would anyone be surprised if these folks were more likely to be barred from entry due to "risk of infection"? "Ah sorry, nothing I can do, but the computer here says we can't let you in. Yeah seems like it determined you were in contact with a sick person. You should have received a ballot in the mail though, have a nice day!" And this is without even considering political protest/demonstration or anything like that.

That said: the Google/Apple proposed protocol was about as un-Orwellian as it could be, pretty much. Hopefully that's the model that gets used; anything GPS-based ought to be an absolute non-starter. Every person with a smartphone ought to be terrified at this notion and extremely critical of any proposals, heeding experts in software/technology/privacy much in the same way that we are heeding experts on infectious disease with respect to social distancing protocols.

[Viva]

Perhaps the reason is that the older you are the more coronavirus-caused colds you've had and as a result the more coronavirus antibodies you have. If there is cross reactivity with SARS-CV2 the age-related mortality effect could be explained by antibody-dependent enhancement of the virus. Alternatively, the preexisting CV antibodies could be triggering the cytokine storm many are blaming for the severe cases.

I came across a research article (about ten years old) reporting that infection from the common cold-causing form of Corona Virus rapidly lead to death of dendritic cells in the upper respiratory track. This rapid death meant that the antigen-presenting functions provided by the dendritic cells is lost and there is then no way to mount an appropriate immune response and that this somehow impedes the development of long-term immune memory to that virus, which might explain why affected patients can be re-infected by that virus. Of course if all this is indeed the case, it doesn't mean that there isn't some sort of long-term immune effect capable of being activated bu SARS-CoV-19. I was going to look up more related papers, but was too busy searching for porn for the NSFW thread.

[Benny Profane]

So what do we do about Fauci and Ferguson for promoting misinformation?

Speaking of trolls...

[Deebased]

Speaking of trolls...

Like they haven't trafficked information in the past 2 months that is provably false.

[TG]

So WHAT do we do ABOUT Fauci and Ferguson for promoting mISinforMation?

drinksomebleach

[MultiVerse]

Not to mention there's a world of difference between updating priors as new information becomes available versus willfully promoting misinformation.

[Deebased]

Not to mention there's a world of difference between updating priors as new information becomes available versus willfully promoting misinformation.

So the Urgent care doctors are willfully promoting misinformation?

[Deebased]

drinksomebleach

You first, it'll make the world a better place.

[Benny Profane]

This must be the Fox pre defense for the upcoming lawsuits.

[Mazderati]

Insane Clown Posse a model for pandemic leadership.

https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/...ership/610651/

[skaredshtles]

<snip> I was going to look up more related papers, but was too busy searching for porn for the NSFW thread.

Don't worry about the virus shit - you continue doing The Lord's work.

[happytimefunbox]

My supervisor keeps bringing up the fact that these are only guidelines. We have received internal guidance, but they are allowing exceptions for certain things. He keeps bringing up the fact we might be able to get an exception if we word things right even though we clearly don’t qualify. I’m just struggling trying to understand that mindset. Why would we purposely try and and skirt this guidance when it’s for our own good. I have already mentioned it to him a few times that I’m confident in our success if we adjust and use our thinking caps. I’m not sure if it’s the change that scares him, or if he has had one too many gulps of Fox News kool-aid and really thinks it’s just a big liberal hoax and it’s all fake news. I’m leaning towards the later. This is the kind of thinking that is going to fuck over our county.

I think I’m going to fire off the email and see where it goes. I’m thankful that I’ll have support and I want my boss to know that I’m not willing to put my ass on the line based off of his excel spreadsheet statistical analysis.

Am I the only one who is getting sick and tired of every jackass that thinks it’s being overblown is all of a sudden a statistical mastermind.

The biggest thing ime about whistleblowing is that if you’re in a workplace where it’s known you oppose danger or corruption or abuse, the “anonymous” complaint is obviously you.
They can’t just jerk you into an office and terminate you because you filed a complaint, sure, or do nasty overt things to retaliate, but they also know who you are and they won’t forget and as long as you have that chain of command in place there will be subtle pressure to make it uncomfortable for you there.

It sucks working in a job where the subtext is “you’re only here because we can’t fire you yet”

If your escalation bears no fruit there is always HR (eeek!) or maybe your company has a ethics hotline or ombudsman.
Thats if those are even an option in your situation. If you are in a small biz those could all be rolled up into your boss.

I have been in your position where management has failed on a legitimate safety concern and you have to escalate and put a spotlight on yourself to get it handled.
But someone has to do it!
I couldn't deal with the worst case scenarios knowing I should have done something about it.
And doing something rarely comes with kudos.
Except from me.... fight the good fight good luck RocknB!!!!

[LeeLau]

I have a wild theory. While mortality from everything besides trauma and OD's rises with age, the age-related mortality risk is much more dramatic and starts at an earlier age than we would expect to see compared to other conditions. Perhaps the reason is that the older you are the more coronavirus-caused colds you've had and as a result the more coronavirus antibodies you have. If there is cross reactivity with SARS-CV2 the age-related mortality effect could be explained by antibody-dependent enhancement of the virus. Alternatively, the preexisting CV antibodies could be triggering the cytokine storm many are blaming for the severe cases.

A similar factor could also explain the wildly different response to infection seen among people of similar age--some may have been exposed to more coronaviruses than others.

Perhaps some of our resident virologists would consider my hypothesis worthy of comment.

OG. Not a virologist of course but there's an Economist article citing a Univ of Montreal study discussing your theory as a line of enquiry

The Economist | A lesson from history https://www.economist.com/node/21784510?frsc=dg%7Ce