Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Buster Highmen]

I used to sport bowling shoes because the junk stores seemed to have a lot of them in the 70s but the jello we ate was black and electric.

[old goat]

Well, that's something else they're learning as we go. I read this morning that they have supposedly found seven strains, or mutations as it's travelled, the downside of that is they may be making a vaccine for what might be an "obsolete" virus.

If you're going to post something like that post the source.

[old goat]

Ugh. 88% who make it to a ventilator die.

Same comment

[old goat]

So, a medical question. Does Covfefe directly cause pneumonia, or does pneumonia arise as an opportunistic illness in covfefe patients? I'm just wondering if the pneumonia vaccine does anything useful in this whole situation.

It causes a viral pneumonia as I understand it. It could also lead to a secondary bacterial pneumonia of the type the vaccine protects against but that doesn't seem to be what people of dying of with Covid 19, unlike with influenza.

[RickyRumpus]

Went down to Sacramento today, and the Bass Pro Shop in Rocklin was absolutely packed. People were gathering in crowds outside, not social distancing. Must be essential? People are getting cabin fever for sure. Hopefully that dreaded "second wave" avoids us this summer. Hell, hopefully it avoids us altogether. Is the first wave even over yet?

[Benny Profane]

Same comment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...LBY4DSOJJJDAYE

Throughout March, as the pandemic gained momentum in the United States, much of the preparations focused on the breathing machines that were supposed to save everyone’s lives.

New York State Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) and President Trump sparred over how many ventilators the state was short. DIYers brainstormed modifications to treat more patients. And ethicists agonized over how to allocate them fairly if we run out.

Now five weeks into the crisis, a paper published in the journal JAMA about New York State’s largest health system suggests a reality that like so much else about the novel coronavirus, confounds our early expectations

Researchers found that 20 percent of all those hospitalized died — a finding that’s similar to the percentage who perish in normal times among those who are admitted for respiratory distress.

But the numbers diverge more for the critically ill put on ventilators. Eighty-eight percent of the 320 covid-19 patients on ventilators who were tracked in the study died. That compares with the roughly 80 percent of patients who died on ventilators before the pandemic, according to previous studies — and with the roughly 50 percent death rate some critical care doctors had optimistically hoped when the first cases were diagnosed.

“For those who have a severe enough course to require hospitalization through the emergency department it is a sad number,” said Karina W. Davidson, the study’s lead author and a professor at the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell.

The analysis is the largest and most comprehensive look at outcomes in the United States to be published so far. Researchers looked at the electronic medical records of 5,700 patients infected with covid-19 between Mar. 1 and Apr. 4 who were treated at Northwell Health’s 12 hospitals located in New York City, Long Island, and Westchester County — all epicenters of the outbreak. Sixty percent were male, 40 percent female and the average age was 63.

The paper also found that of those who died, 57 percent had hypertension, 41 percent were obese and 34 percent had diabetes which is consistent with risk factors listed by the Centers for Disease for Control and Prevention. Noticeably absent from the top of the list was asthma. As doctors and researchers have learned more about covid-19, the less it seems that asthma plays a dominant role in outcomes.

One other surprising finding from the study was that 70 percent of the patients sick enough to be admitted to the hospital did not have a fever. Fever is currently listed as the top symptom of covid-19 by the CDC, and for weeks, many testing centers for the virus turned away patients if they did not have one.

Davidson said that as a result of that findings, Northwell is encouraging people with underlying health conditions, such as hypertension and diabetes, who are potentially exposed to the virus and who might not have a fever to consult with a doctor sooner rather than later.

[BmillsSkier]

^ you know walking dead is filmed there right?

Irony not lost.

That said, outside of LA and NYC, GA is the #1 place for the movie and tv industry. Hell, Pinewood Studios, you know, all the fucking Avengers movies, Walking Dead, James Bond, etc., built their biggest campus yet here. You can't swing a dead agent and not hit someone in the "business" here. Fuck, I ran into Woody Harrelson wearing a dope leaf shirt ogling girls playing sand volleyball in Piedmont Park last year. Most of my "neighbors" have or had California plates on their cars. Insane tax credit schemes do weird things, ya know?

[grinch]

Cuomo knows a ton of shit about his company. Trump knows he cant pardon his kids or himself from state offenses.

Ah that makes sense. Live to be a fly on the wall there. Id be grinning from ear to ear watching twitler squirm. He just had to mention ventilators and how the demand didnt go quite as high as predicted but he tiptoed around linking cuomo and ny. His only self restfaint is fear bassd restraint and he looked a bit uncomfortable as he stumbled around his ventilator spiel

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[Rideski]

[Mazderati]

Use this Reddit link for the Netflix codes. It makes finding something you like much easier. netflix_secret_codes

Nice. Thanks.

The Anti Mask League

https://mobile.twitter.com/timkmak/s...36242834563073

I mean, it's like a road map.

[old goat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...LBY4DSOJJJDAYE

Throughout March, as the pandemic gained momentum in the United States, much of the preparations focused on the breathing machines that were supposed to save everyone’s lives.

New York State Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) and President Trump sparred over how many ventilators the state was short. DIYers brainstormed modifications to treat more patients. And ethicists agonized over how to allocate them fairly if we run out.

Now five weeks into the crisis, a paper published in the journal JAMA about New York State’s largest health system suggests a reality that like so much else about the novel coronavirus, confounds our early expectations

Researchers found that 20 percent of all those hospitalized died — a finding that’s similar to the percentage who perish in normal times among those who are admitted for respiratory distress.

But the numbers diverge more for the critically ill put on ventilators. Eighty-eight percent of the 320 covid-19 patients on ventilators who were tracked in the study died. That compares with the roughly 80 percent of patients who died on ventilators before the pandemic, according to previous studies — and with the roughly 50 percent death rate some critical care doctors had optimistically hoped when the first cases were diagnosed.

“For those who have a severe enough course to require hospitalization through the emergency department it is a sad number,” said Karina W. Davidson, the study’s lead author and a professor at the Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research at Northwell.

The analysis is the largest and most comprehensive look at outcomes in the United States to be published so far. Researchers looked at the electronic medical records of 5,700 patients infected with covid-19 between Mar. 1 and Apr. 4 who were treated at Northwell Health’s 12 hospitals located in New York City, Long Island, and Westchester County — all epicenters of the outbreak. Sixty percent were male, 40 percent female and the average age was 63.

The paper also found that of those who died, 57 percent had hypertension, 41 percent were obese and 34 percent had diabetes which is consistent with risk factors listed by the Centers for Disease for Control and Prevention. Noticeably absent from the top of the list was asthma. As doctors and researchers have learned more about covid-19, the less it seems that asthma plays a dominant role in outcomes.

One other surprising finding from the study was that 70 percent of the patients sick enough to be admitted to the hospital did not have a fever. Fever is currently listed as the top symptom of covid-19 by the CDC, and for weeks, many testing centers for the virus turned away patients if they did not have one.

Davidson said that as a result of that findings, Northwell is encouraging people with underlying health conditions, such as hypertension and diabetes, who are potentially exposed to the virus and who might not have a fever to consult with a doctor sooner rather than later.

Thank you.

A little history--somewhat related to the above. In the late 60's doctors started recognizing a syndrome with diffuse alveolar infiltrates (lungs filling up with fluid and inflammatory cells), respiratory failure, and often death in wounded soldiers with no direct injury to the lungs and no evidence of infection. It was called ARDS--adult respiratory distress sydnrome. It was and is unclear what triggers the syndrome and there is no specific treatment other than trying to keep the person alive, generally on a ventilator, until the lungs recover, if they do.

In the 80's a syndrome called SIRS--systemic inflammatory response syndrome--was recognized, where patients had all the symptoms of sepsis (blood stream infection)--rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, failure of multiple organs including the lungs (ARDS), without having evidence of infection in many cases. Again, no specific treatment other than treating the underlying cause if possible and trying to keep the patient alive while they try to heal. One feature of SIRS is sometimes DIC--the abnormal clotting I talked about earlier in connection with Covid 19. The syndrome does seem to occur in the setting of cytokine storm, the massive release of inflammatory substances, which is often talked about in connection with Covid 19. In many cases it is not known what triggers the syndrome in some people while others with the same risk factors don't get it.

Now we have Covid 19 with the same features as ARDS and SIRS, conditions we have known about for decades and for which we still have no effective direct treatment. I have a feeling, sitting here on the sidelines, that we will never be successful in treating the most severe Covid 19 patients--the ones with respiratory, kidney, and heart failure and diffuse clotting--that the best we can do is to try to control the virus in the earlier stages of the infection before it gets to that point, and of course, try to keep people from getting it in the first place.

[Lvovsky]

Not sure if this has been posted, but holy shit, Las Vegas sure has a twit for a mayor (she's independent, so I'm not polyassing here); behold the multiple video clips of the interview at the above link.

Granted, it's kind of hard to tell the difference between atomic bomb tests and COVID-19 tests.

Dumb statement by the mayor but, back in the day when effects of nuclear explosions were not fully understood, generals and VIPs observed big boom in open air. Today, when effects of the new virus are not fully understood, the mayor wants casinos to open.

[Benny Profane]

All of this constant blather about face mask this and open up that and all the noise on my TV reminded me of this:



"Hey, I didn't eat the mousse."

[MultiVerse]

Thanks for correcting. I was using the data from MV's HUG study which explicitly specified the 20 day post symptomatic period. (I hadn't seen that specification before)

Appreciate the breakdown. You've been a godsend to this bleak thread.

It looks like you misinterpreted what was being said, "The results of the study indicate that this test reliably confirms exposure to SARS-CoV-2 twenty days after the onset of symptoms."

Their statement is not in conflict with Mofro's statement: "Antibodies in symptomatic people have been noted as early as day 1 onset of symptoms. Between day 1 and day 7 antibodies are seen in ~45% of people, by day 10 its 90% and by day 20 100% will be IgG positive,"

Note the difference, on day 20 100% will be IgG positive and not "antibodies take several weeks after symptom onset to generate" They explicitly mention the uncertainties, including the time to develop immunity. Instead of jumping to conclusions those uncertainties become part of the distribution or "variability," 5.5% (3.3-to-7.7%).

[KQ]

I understand this is very complex and subjective and you certainly don’t have to answer here. But I have a few friends that yanked their parents out. Major life upheaval, but livin in sci fi times.

She is basically in an over 55 apartment complex. There is a small assisted section in another wing from her two floors down.

Amazingly it never occurred to either of us to move her out I guess because it's not a nursing home and she is independent. Lots of people living in apartments/condos right now.

I could still move her here but she's pretty happy at home and with it being in lockdown now she's isolated from random people traipsing about. We'll see. W2 county currently has 44 cases.

[bobz]

Dumb statement by the mayor but, back in the day when effects of nuclear explosions were not fully understood, generals and VIPs observed big boom in open air. Today, when effects of the new virus are not fully understood, the mayor wants casinos to open.

Ummmm, yeah... I guess if she wanted to come across as merely wrong, instead of making an argument worthy of Zippy The Pinhead, she could have clarified that, in her recollection, Las Vegas had wanted the Feds to be far more reckless about the atomic bomb tests near there.

[old goat]

She is basically in an over 55 apartment complex. There is a small assisted section in another wing from her two floors down.

Amazingly it never occurred to either of us to move her out I guess because it's not a nursing home and she is independent. Lots of people living in apartments/condos right now.

I could still move her here but she's pretty happy at home and with it being in lockdown now she's isolated from random people traipsing about. We'll see. W2 county currently has 44 cases.

Our friends took her mom out of the assisted living to live with them. After 3 weeks they put her back.

[KQ]

Our friends took her mom out of the assisted living to live with them. After 3 weeks they put her back.

LOL!

Yeah, mom and I are cut from the same cloth. Independent and happy in our solitude.

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[Rideski]

Did anyone get one of the ccp texts? I didn’t.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/u...formation.html

[rod9301]

You could spend an hour and a half on Netflix. Not necessarily watching a movie but trying to find one to watch.

I did it last night

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[rod9301]

Of course it doesn't change the current deaths. But a flu season that kills 100k would be a footnote, and while we'll likely get there the top end is significantly lower than predictions from 30 days ago. This isn't the end of the world and hopefully will get Americans focused on those around them instead of the layers of fear, bullshit, politics and religion proxied on us.

This graph says differently

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[jgb@etree]

What the actual fuck?


Trump says he 'strongly' disagreed with move to reopen Georgia -- contradicting source who said he agreed with it


This is all part of the nightmare - a fucking clown. I hate clowns.

Weird. Almost like CNN is just willing to make shit up and attribute it to an imaginary 'source'.

[sb]

Meanwhile in CA they close trails to bikes but not walking/hiking.

Assault bike ban coming soon.