Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[The AD]

Seriously. Not even 2 dozen in the picture. Most of them appear to be overweight, or living in their parent's basement.

They certainly have a look. Seems like you're required to have a big gut, have a beard, and wear a baseball cap to join the club.

[CarlMega]

And brain.... nasty nasty stuff but you know... just like the flu..... or a car accident.

Exactly. That's why all the turd-brains who are only looking at death rate as the single metric are simpletons. The long and short of this virus is - we don't know the lasting affect it may have on people. Could it resurrect suddenly like epstein barr? Does it impact you neurologically? Well our experience with this is a grand total of 3 months so I wouldn't be putting my chips down with any certainty - proceed with extreme caution. I mean jesus fucking christ - Polio doesn't kill in high percentages (of those who develop paralysis its only like 2%) but who the fuck would want to risk getting that based upon death rate?

Edit - adding polio info (sound familar?): https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/index.htm

Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.

About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms - These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days, then go away on their own

A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms (note: this is where the 2% of those w/ paralysis potentially die).

[simple]

Go to the gun range and you see anyone of those guys every time. Just ignore them

[pepperdawg]

Damn had to jump on a call for about an hour - this thread has grown almost 4 pages - doh.

[Bunion 2020]

[old goat]

Which is why bailing them out is the exact wrong thing to do. Let them go bankrupt.

If we continue propping up organizations in this manner, we will continue to incentivize this behavior.

Letting them go bankrupt means Chapter 11, letting them stiff their creditors, void their union contracts, stiff their retirees. Management will still get their multimillion dollar salaries, with bonuses for taking them out of bankruptcy.

I would like to see the same sorts of constraints placed on too-big-to-fail public corporations as are placed on the big banks--specifically limits on the amount of debt that can be assumed, especially debt used to finance acquisitions.

[MontuckyFried]

And brain.... nasty nasty stuff but you know... just like the flu..... or a car accident.

In Some Cases, COVID-19 May Harm the Brain

COVID-19 Patients Can Suffer Brain Damage and Other Neurological Complications as a Result of the Disease

Actually such things ARE associated with the "regular" flu. Not saying this is "just the flu"; just saying that brain damage/encephalitis can absolutely occur thanks to influenza.

[TNKen]

Fox now reporting an all out investigation of how the Woo-Flu got out and the China coverup.

[Deebased]

And that's something you should keep in mind, too. Lot of people die young. If you're 70 now you're not exactly on borrowed time. According to this table from the State of New York a male has a life expectancy of 12.75 years and a female has 15.35 years. Someone who is 80 has an average of 7.31 years to live if male and 8.95 if female.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4jdFVfiLG_Uh2K

All true.

Its been my understanding that actuarial tables are decade long introspections into the moving average. But totally agree the mean and standard deviation increase as long as the focal group remains above ground.

Counterpoint, is the more compounding factors (High Blood Pressure, heart Disease, Pulmonary issues) present the shorter that life expectancy is even in the actuarial tables. Not to belabor the discussion but those are also the vast majority of the 70+ perishing.

[old goat]

On BBC now

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If those were unarmed college kids protesting the war in Vietnam the National Guard would have gunned them down. Those are armed people on the steps of the state capitol. Why aren't they all in jail (or dead if they point those guns at someone)? I want my country back.

As far as ignoring them or making fun of them, right wing hate crimes are the most common form of terrorism in this country. Timothy McVeigh and his accomplices have shown what a handful of these "clowns" can do. The gun waving militia types may be few in numbers relative to the population but they have the support of a whole lot of people and anyone not taking them seriously is a fool.

[DBdude]

Old people dying does nothing for me monetarily, but nice try.

The emotional attachment to the abortion issue is hilarious. Its one bag of cells vs another bag of cells. Putting some intangible moral value on one vs the other whilst subscribing an importance imperative on the one checking out vs the one checking in quickly derives a short term vs long term value equation.

In which all moral obligation and feigned empathy aside mathematically falls on behalf of the younger.

Its ugly and cruel but so is nature and evolution.

right, you wrote killing babies - emotionally loaded - now a fetus is a bag of cells

make up your fucking mind - you seem rather trumpian

[Rideski]

Emerging details regarding age:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21Y2GB

[DBdude]

If those were unarmed college kids protesting the war in Vietnam the National Guard would have gunned them down. Those are armed people on the steps of the state capitol. Why aren't they all in jail (or dead if they point those guns at someone)? I want my country back.

michigan seems to have an open carry law

[Deebased]

right, you wrote killing babies - emotionally loaded - now a fetus is a bag of cells

make up your fucking mind - you seem rather trumpian

And false

What I wrote was "nd the Venn diagram of people telling you to stay home save the dying elderly and the people who think its totally ok to kill a viable fetus are also one giant fucking circle. "

You seem rather obtuse.. https://www.healthline.com/health/neurosyphilis might help

[DBdude]

Emerging details regarding age:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21Y2GB

anecdotally from a friend's ER nurse niece in north NJ, half her corona cases are in their fifties

[garyfromterrace]

On BBC now

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If this photograph doesn't mobilize your country politically, what will? I mean even if I was a right wing conservitard, how could anyone, ANYONE, in their right mind think that this fucking picture was OK. The world has known the US has been fucked for a while now (since the election of a TV game show host/misogynistic/lying/huckster), but the latest debacle that is the handling of this pandemic by your elected leader will be known as the case in point. Not to say that everyone down south are idiots, because you're not.

The mags I've met down there in numerous trips are brothers who I'd welcome into my home without hesitation. But godamn it, the problems down there are deep and can only get rectified by a change in government. I hope it's not too late.

[garyfromterrace]

If those were unarmed college kids protesting the war in Vietnam the National Guard would have gunned them down. Those are armed people on the steps of the state capitol. Why aren't they all in jail (or dead if they point those guns at someone)? I want my country back.

As far as ignoring them or making fun of them, right wing hate crimes are the most common form of terrorism in this country. Timothy McVeigh and his accomplices have shown what a handful of these "clowns" can do. The gun waving militia types may be few in numbers relative to the population but they have the support of a whole lot of people and anyone not taking them seriously is a fool.

I want your country back too OG. Fuck.

[The AD]

Emerging details regarding age:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN21Y2GB

Certainly reinforces the notion that a lot more testing needs to be done before considering reopening things.

[MultiVerse]

Whether it's a pandemic, natural disaster, investor panic, or whatever - it doesn't matter the cause. The moral hazard is the Fed's response.

Believing that the '08 recession was caused by tight money is a real round-about way to look at things. In essence you believe that not sustaining an unsustainable housing boom, fueled by the easy money of the 2000's, was the cause of the recession.

Because banks never failed because of bad decisions before the Fed was created in 1913 or because letting banks fail worked so well during the Great Depression? The idea that illusory beliefs only happen because of the Fed is ahistorical.

As far as a ‘housing bubble’ is concerned, if that's the case then the asset would have predictably fallen in price due to irrational price movements and more less stayed there. But after 2008 the Fed lowered rates sharply and what happened to the housing market since? Is housing always a bubble all the time except during downturns? If so then isn't the 'bubble' idea a useless dead end?

The point being, if you're going to say the whole problem is "these huge bubbles" then your theory is either a useful forecasting hypothesis, or it isn’t.

[bennymac]

Any facts to back up your supposition?

Please provide links that the covid death percentage is wrong. Otherwise its a another Bennymac original salacious claim.

Go ahead and use the CDC data. I'll wait.

You posted the claims without providing evidence - now you want me to go find the data for you? Are you always this intellectually lazy?

[MontuckyFried]

anecdotally from a friend's ER nurse niece in north NJ, half her corona cases are in their fifties

And of those 1/2 who are in their fifties, I wonder what proportion of them were obese, diabetic, had heart issues, etc., etc., etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/h...gher-risk.html
Yeah, we all know about those cases of a healthy younger person who covid knocked on their ass, BUT by and large the overwhelming amount of hospitalized patients had something else going on. Covid being the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.

[DBdude]

And false

What I wrote was "nd the Venn diagram of people telling you to stay home save the dying elderly and the people who think its totally ok to kill a viable fetus are also one giant fucking circle. "

You seem rather obtuse.. https://www.healthline.com/health/neurosyphilis might help

So you did - I stand corrected - my apologies


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[Mofro261]

Getting to the heart of the matter.

The Science Underlying COVID-19:Implications for the Cardiovascular System
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/...AHA.120.047549

Helps explain why COVID-19 is as much or more heart related as it is with the lungs.

[grinch]

Well the same party that gave you citizens united gave you an unhealthy population via corn subsidies(processed foods). We're at that point where its all connected. Just the dying part is sped up

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[Deebased]

You posted the claims without providing evidence - now you want me to go find the data for you? Are you always this intellectually lazy?

I did the hard work of dropping the data from a csv into a spreadsheet and then sorting. You can do the same. My guess is you'll come up with a similar answer.