Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[CascadeLuke]

[old goat]

We can all wear N95 masks to protect ourselves, or we can all wear surgical masks to protect other people. The end result is the same--people are protected from virus excreted by coughing or sneezing. The surgical masks are cheaper and much simpler to make and don't have to be fitted. I think requiring everyone to wear a surgical mask when they are indoors not in their own home or when they cannot avoid being outdoors near other people is an excellent idea, once we have the masks. I'd gladly wear a mask when I shop--since grocery delivery doesn't seem to be working, and with shortages on the shelves people are having to shop repeatedly.

[bodywhomper]

What are methods to clean/sanitize masks?

[The SnowShow]

It’s a world-wide effort:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...rus-treatments

[iceman]

It's past hoarding at the local store but nobody's eating out so they're getting all their food there. Until now I bet people in this area ate 40% of their food outside the home, and now all of that food has to come from the store. It's busy. Lots of cars, lots of people. And a fair amount of stuff is off the shelves here and there temporarily. It's quickly becoming a new normal.

[rideit]

This is VERY interesting.
Supposedly a loss of smell/taste is possibly an early indicator that you might be infected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/h...ell-taste.html

[Ottime]

I've dug up 10 or so dust masks and a respirator I brought for a project a few years back and never used. But, I'll probably drop them off at OHSU next time I head North.

I love how you can't seem to post without both self aggrandizing and being snide. Does it make you feel special?

[TBS]

We can all wear N95 masks to protect ourselves, or we can all wear surgical masks to protect other people. The end result is the same--people are protected from virus excreted by coughing or sneezing. The surgical masks are cheaper and much simpler to make and don't have to be fitted. I think requiring everyone to wear a surgical mask when they are indoors not in their own home or when they cannot avoid being outdoors near other people is an excellent idea, once we have the masks. I'd gladly wear a mask when I shop--since grocery delivery doesn't seem to be working, and with shortages on the shelves people are having to shop repeatedly.

Yea, but you know how to wear one. How effective are surgical masks when people continually fiddle with them after putting them on? Over the nose, then after a few minutes under the chin, then back over the nose, then up on the forehead. Sorry, seeing that makes me put huge distance between them and me.

[spanghew]

Rong gong Lin

I love that name

Stupidity on parade. What’s your name, jackass honky?


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[iceman]

Yea, but you know how to wear one. How effective are surgical masks when people continually fiddle with them after putting them on? Over the nose, then after a few minutes under the chin, then back over the nose, then up on the forehead. Sorry, seeing that makes me put huge distance between them and me.

If the mask is over their pie hole half the time that's a lot better than never. Mask good. Mask. Good.

[TBS]

Distance better

[splat]

II guess this is how Trump takes over, declares himself king, and imprisons anyone who ever disagreed with him. I honestly believe Trump and company have let this go so it would get to exactly this point. Dragging his feet? According to plan, yes.

[iceman]

Distance better

why the fuck can't it be both? I'm cool with both.

[Rideski]

Distance better

Ok wait. Were you both TBS and TBSSUX?
Cause that’s a straight troll right there.

[old goat]

Yea, but you know how to wear one. How effective are surgical masks when people continually fiddle with them after putting them on? Over the nose, then after a few minutes under the chin, then back over the nose, then up on the forehead. Sorry, seeing that makes me put huge distance between them and me.

Ha ha. Anesthesiologists for some reason seem to be fond of wearing masks below their noses. Still I think the vast majority of people can figure out how to wear a surgical mask without instruction. As far as I know no one teaches doctors and nurses how to do it. First time you go into an OR or an isolation room you just put it on. Not so with N95. I've never been fitted or trained. Up until now the main reason for providers to wear N95's has been TB. In my hospital only people who might be exposed to TB patients were fitted or trained. The providers wear the N95's. The patients wear surgical masks.

[Rideski]

Rong gong Lin

I love that name

#racismbad
#nomasknoentry

[muted]

I’m confused on how wearing a simple N95 mask properly is completely beyond the capability of the general public. Are people wearing these inside-out? Covering their ears with them instead of their mouths and noses maybe? Is this so impossible you have to go to med school to figure it out?

I have three of them at home, and after looking at them I’m trying to figure out how I can really fuck it up. So if I talk to a friend who is a nurse about using one, he/she isn’t going to say, “no chance man without going to med school!”

Make a tight seal, don’t move it, got it. What else am I missing to figure this mask out that requires many years in school, residency, and hundreds of thousands of dollars?

[old goat]

I’m confused on how wearing a simple N95 mask properly is completely beyond the capability of the general public. Are people wearing these inside-out? Covering their ears with them instead of their mouths and noses maybe? Is this so impossible you have to go to med school to figure it out?

I have three of them at home, and after looking at them I’m trying to figure out how I can really fuck it up. So if I talk to a friend who is a nurse about using one, he/she isn’t going to say, “no chance man without going to med school!”

Make a tight seal, don’t move it, got it. What else am I missing to figure this mask out that requires many years in school, residency, and hundreds of thousands of dollars?

It's not quite that hard. But if you've never been fitted and instructed in obtaining a snug fit and also in taking it off without contaminating yourself, are you sure you're doing it right?

Edit--If you don't have a perfect fit with an N95 it still protects others the way a surgical mask does and it does give you some protection. If N95 is what you have use it. The other advantage of an N95 is that you're not depending on someone else that's sick to stay home or wear a mask, although you can still get the virus from surfaces.

[Rideski]

I’m confused on how wearing a simple N95 mask properly is completely beyond the capability of the general public. Are people wearing these inside-out? Covering their ears with them instead of their mouths and noses maybe? Is this so impossible you have to go to med school to figure it out?

I have three of them at home, and after looking at them I’m trying to figure out how I can really fuck it up. So if I talk to a friend who is a nurse about using one, he/she isn’t going to say, “no chance man without going to med school!”

Make a tight seal, don’t move it, got it. What else am I missing to figure this mask out that requires many years in school, residency, and hundreds of thousands of dollars?

All of this. And it bears repeating that three months ago an N95 was known as a “dust mask” and was available at any hardware store 4 for $4..yes, there’s an aluminum band. You need to bend it and if you feel a draft adjust.

[Deebased]

I love how you can't seem to post without both self aggrandizing and being snide. Does it make you feel special?

Matching your stride.

[klauss]

I think masks are smart but I feel that there are also other smart things people can do (ie distancing, washing hands, not touching face) while we figure out supply. Currently allow all supply to go to 1. healthcare workers and 2. those exhibiting symptoms

I am aware of multiple accounts of people with n95 trying to prevent themselves from getting covid, not necessarily others, and not even aware that eye protection is probably a good idea if you are walking through another’s sneeze

[rideit]

This is VERY interesting.
Supposedly a loss of smell/taste is possibly an early indicator that you might be infected.

No thoughts on this? If true, this could save some lives.

Edit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/h...8TfB81Tr-4LRRM

[Rideski]

I was thinking that last beer was a little bitter and how happy I am to not have a fucking air hose jammed down my throat, I should probably open a porter and start dinner

[Mazderati]

Haven't read the article but loss of smell and taste isn't unique to corona.

[muted]

It's not quite that hard. But if you've never been fitted and instructed in obtaining a snug fit and also in taking it off without contaminating yourself, are you sure you're doing it right?

No I’m not sure, but can’t a simple video or phone call with a friend set me straight? Or do I need to go to med school to figure out this puzzle?

I think masks are smart but I feel that there are also other smart things people can do (ie distancing, washing hands, not touching face) while we figure out supply. Currently allow all supply to go to 1. healthcare workers and 2. those exhibiting symptoms

I am aware of multiple accounts of people with n95 trying to pretext themselves, not necessarily others, and not even aware that eye protection is probably a good idea if you are walking through another’s sneeze

Ha, that person needs poles 20 cm longer, what a clown!