Please get a flu vaccine

[The Tortoise]

And it's primary benefit is not to the young and healthy. It's to stop spreading it to the more vulnerable.

Here's Frontlines take on it:

[old goat]

It's people like this that reinforce my mistrust of what we are told to believe.
Even though her grandson is autistic and she blames immunization (let's say she is wrong with that) everything else she is saying is alarming.

Hopefully one day a flu shot will be developed that doesn't cause concern or mistrust. With the acing population something better needs to be developed.

What should alarm you is that there are a lot of health care workers--doctors, nurses, others--who believe the anti-vax bullshit. People without critical thinking skills who buy into conspiracy theories are responsible for your health. Next time you go to the doctor or the ER hope the people taking care of you aren't some of them.

[Rob D!]

^^^ strongly agree with Old Goat
The claims that associate vaccines with autism have been proven false repeatedly in well designed studies. The guy that originally reported it admitted he falsified his data. Its bs.
Agreed that vaccines are not 100% effective and not without risks, but they are WAY better than the alternative... and probably safer than the ibuprofen you pop after a day on the slope... or the apres' for that matter.

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[Dantheman]

Agreed that vaccines are not 100% effective and not without risks, but they are WAY better than the alternative... and probably safer than the ibuprofen you pop after a day on the slope... or the apres' for that matter.

Vaccines are basically injectable seat belts.

[glademaster]

Vaccines are basically injectable seat belts.

Yeah, but what about that one guy who was thrown from the car before it burst into flame? Not wearing a seatbelt saved his life.

[Dantheman]

Yeah, but what about that one guy who was thrown from the car before it burst into flame? Not wearing a seatbelt saved his life.

Or the guy who crashed into water and might not have drowned if he hadn't been wearing his seat belt.

That was my point. There are people alive today because they weren't wearing a seat belt, and others who are dead because they were wearing one. Thankfully we all wear one anyway, because by anti-vax logic they are death traps no one should ever use.

[huckbucket]

... the internet desperately needs another vaccination discussion. Keep it up boys.

[skaredshtles]

It's people like this that reinforce my mistrust of what we are told to believe.
Even though her grandson is autistic and she blames immunization (let's say she is wrong with that) everything else she is saying is alarming.

I couldn't even tell WHAT she was saying... her monologue was incomprehensible to me. Do you have any idea what her point was? Something about adults in the mall wearing diapers?

[SumJongGuy]

Two years ago another parent in our scout troop, lady in her early 40s, got the flu and died. She seemed really healthy before that. That certainly got my attention..

Still, this is hilarious!

[SumJongGuy]

Yeah, but what about that one guy who was thrown from the car before it burst into flame? Not wearing a seatbelt saved his life.

Or, he was ejected in to a crowd and killed 5 other bystanders..

[PB]

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Still, this is hilarious!

Is that the Pope?!?!? No wonder the Catholics can't quit the porn!

[GetAmped]

TL;DR

Seriously, 20 fucking pages and I couldn't care less about anyone who doesn't want to get the flu vaccine. If you've never had one of the bad flu strains, you have no idea what it's like. Some years back I got hit with H1N1 (no, I didn't get the flu shot that year). That shit fucked me up sooooo bad. Not only was I laid out from the virus itself, but the secondary bacterial infection caused life-threatening pneumonia. MD hit me with some serious antibiotic reserved for worst case scenarios and I got better. Until I discovered that I had bronchial damage that would manifest as exertional asthma and I had to use an albuterol inhaler for two years if I wanted to do anything athletic. First time it hit me I was hiking up the ski hill to do some trail work and about halfway up I was having trouble catching my breath which turned into gasping and struggling to breath at all. Scared me shitless, particularly since I had no idea WTF was happening.

Got my flu shot last week as I have every year since it almost killed me. Only an idiot wouldn't.

[thedude2340]

TL;DR

Seriously, 20 fucking pages and I couldn't care less about anyone who doesn't want to get the flu vaccine....

Got my flu shot last week as I have every year since it almost killed me. Only an idiot wouldn't.

Seems like you could care less

[old goat]

PBS ran a piece about the kids in Yemen dying of diphtheria. They are desperate for vaccine. We should send all of our vaccine over there. We don't deserve it.

[mcski]

PBS ran a piece about the kids in Yemen dying of diphtheria. They are desperate for vaccine. We should send all of our vaccine over there. We don't deserve it.

How about we send the people from here that refuse to vaccinate their kids?

[uglymoney]

PBS ran a piece about the kids in Yemen dying of diphtheria. They are desperate for vaccine. We should send all of our vaccine over there. We don't deserve it.

You ever have any luck convincing anti patients to get their vaccines? Fence sitters?

So fucked. One girl on my Facebook is all antivax no evidence can convince her otherwise and posts misleading links about all the benefits and cancer cures from CBD and THC products with no evidence supporting her claims. The marijuana claims irk me because I think medical and recreational legalization can stand on actual evidence just fine.

It is a fake reality people wallow in just like we have in politics.

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[old goat]

I bet the father of Felipe Gomez Alonzo wishes he had had the opportunity to vaccinate his son against the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.75dcbf1bbc3b

[Kenny Satch]

I bet the father of Felipe Gomez Alonzo wishes he had had the opportunity to vaccinate his son against the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.75dcbf1bbc3b

But was it a strain a vaccine would have been designed for (guessed at for any prior season) or was it a strain not anticipated in any past Flu shots ?

I wonder how often, when someone dies from a Flu strain that a past Flu vaccines were designed to defeat but didn't get it vs those that die from strains the Flu vaccine did not cover ?

Does the CDC have stats like that ?

BTW being against the flu shot doesn't mean everyone is against vaccination. Those that say your stupid if you don't take the shot every year sound as one sided as that that say never...IMO

Vaccination save lives but a guessing game year after year Flu shot doesn't address the possible longterm affects of year after year use. To say there is none is irresponsible without having long term research. I'm talking about 20 30 to 40 years from now maybe longer.

Go ahead pounce on me but this year after year approach is why I'm on the fence with the Flu shot

[summit]

Vaccination save lives but a guessing game year after year Flu shot doesn't address the possible longterm affects of year after year use. To say there is none is irresponsible without having long term research. I'm talking about 20 30 to 40 years from now maybe longer.

Go ahead pounce on me but this year after year approach is why I'm on the fence with the Flu shot

Please show me the long term research showing the long term safety of repeat use of Ibuprofen, Tylenol, multivitamins, ANY prescription drug, merino wool, contact lenses, mouthwash, various supplement, sunscreen, television, and sexy time lube.

Can't find it?

There is almost no unequivocal long term safety data on almost anything! It is intensely difficult and expensive data to acquire and usually comes with so many confounders that it is hard to power a study unless the bad effects are significant enough that there is a sense of them before hand. Asking for that information without expectation and evidence that there should be major problems in the face of clear benefit is a totally Illogical setup for failure presented as a seemingly reasonable concern to which the presenter is usually blind. (" clear BENEFIT" in a long term intervention is clear for flu Vax even if it is not individually as effective as say MMR vaccine)

Look at the conflicting nature of long term diet data. What do we have reliable unequivocal 40 year safety data for??? Tobacco, uv exposure, air pollution...

I bet you use a smartphone....

[Kenny Satch]

Please show me the long term research showing the long term safety of repeat use of Ibuprofen, Tylenol, multivitamins, ANY prescription drug, merino wool, contact lenses, mouthwash, various supplement, sunscreen, television, and sexy time lube.

Can't find it?

There is almost no unequivocal long term safety data on almost anything! It is intensely difficult and expensive data to acquire and usually comes with so many confounders that it is hard to power a study unless the bad effects are significant enough that there is a sense of them before hand. Asking for that information without expectation and evidence that there should be major problems in the face of clear benefit is a totally Illogical setup for failure presented as a seemingly reasonable concern to which the presenter is usually blind. (" clear BENEFIT" in a long term intervention is clear for flu Vax even if it is not individually as effective as say MMR vaccine)

Look at the conflicting nature of long term diet data. What do we have reliable unequivocal 40 year safety data for??? Tobacco, uv exposure, air pollution...

I bet you use a smartphone....

OK. So Tobacco has no long term effects. Alright then
Now that makes total sense. Flu shot here I come.

Seriously I get your point so why is my concern so offesive or wrong.
Yes we don't know and until studies are published to show the good and the bad I'll still be on the fence.

BTW why is it everyone we hear a story of a person that died from the Flu it's asummed a Flu shot would have saved them ? If there's data proving that or otherwise why isn't available. Too expensive or incriminating. I dunno.

[summit]

OK. So Tobacco has no long term effects.
...
Seriously I get your point

If you would reread my post you might see what I was getting at. You clearly do not get it with a response like that.

Yes we don't know and until studies are published to show the good and the bad I'll still be on the fence.

To be clear, you saying that you are worried that there maybe might be some unknown consequence that we won't be able to know without a 40 year longitudinal study on repeated vaccination, so better safe than sorry?

[huckbucket]

OK. So Tobacco has no long term effects. Alright then
Now that makes total sense. Flu shot here I come.

Seriously I get your point so why is my concern so offesive or wrong.
Yes we don't know and until studies are published to show the good and the bad I'll still be on the fence.

BTW why is it everyone we hear a story of a person that died from the Flu it's asummed a Flu shot would have saved them ? If there's data proving that or otherwise why isn't available. Too expensive or incriminating. I dunno.

during the 2017 and 2018 flu season 85% of children that died from influenza weren't vaccinated. It's estimated that 58% of children in the US received a vaccine during that time. Do the math.

[old goat]

But was it a strain a vaccine would have been designed for (guessed at for any prior season) or was it a strain not anticipated in any past Flu shots ?

I wonder how often, when someone dies from a Flu strain that a past Flu vaccines were designed to defeat but didn't get it vs those that die from strains the Flu vaccine did not cover ?

Does the CDC have stats like that ?

BTW being against the flu shot doesn't mean everyone is against vaccination. Those that say your stupid if you don't take the shot every year sound as one sided as that that say never...IMO

Vaccination save lives but a guessing game year after year Flu shot doesn't address the possible longterm affects of year after year use. To say there is none is irresponsible without having long term research. I'm talking about 20 30 to 40 years from now maybe longer.

Go ahead pounce on me but this year after year approach is why I'm on the fence with the Flu shot

I'll let you explain that to the father.
I hope CBP is vaccinating detainees

[Kenny Satch]

If you would reread my post you might see what I was getting at. You clearly do not get it with a response like that.

Sorry if I didn't get your point.
I thought you were making the point that there are so many bad things out there and being sarcastic about it.

[summit]

Sorry if I didn't get your point.
I thought you were making the point that there are so many bad things out there and being sarcastic about it.

No I'm seriously making the point that most things are not studied for small long term negatives unless they are so likely to be bad that they are generally suspected to be very bad in the first place (thus my examples of tobacco). It is this way because it is so hard and expensive to do large longitudinal studies.

So if you are going to make it a point that the absence of negative longitudinal studies is a good reason to forgo something otherwise beneficial, my sarcasm was that you had better avoid almost everything, including virtually every medication and supplement, otherwise you are engaged in a case of special pleading against flu vaccines.