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[Swine]

There are two more episodes.

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[stuckathuntermtn]

I'm somewhat confused now. Have we settled on 1 timeline finally? Is it after the beach scenes?
They have an encryption key for Ford who is alive on the server farm?

[Dantheman]

Still multiple timelines in play. The "present" is everything that has happened since Bernard woke up on the beach and Delos' head of ops showed up. Ford uploaded himself to The Cradle before the gala massacre, then transferred himself into Bernard before Angela blew it up. The "key" in Abernathy's control unit is related to the immortality project, not Ford. Ford has been in control of Bernard since the Mesa attack, and Ford hates Charlotte Hale, so the result of her interrogation of Bernard is likely to be a setup by Ford who is leading them into a trap. Her smug smile after he gives her the control unit location suggests that that smirk is going to get wiped off her face in spectacular fashion.

[PB]

You have a large, wall sized white board with a massive (actually should be 3-D) flow chart for all the story lines, don't you??

Goddam RT sez only 8, but Comcast does indeed say 9. So a whole whopping 2 episodes to resolve this worm-fest.

[Garth Bimble]

Still multiple timelines in play. The "present" is everything that has happened since Bernard woke up on the beach and Delos' head of ops showed up. Ford uploaded himself to The Cradle before the gala massacre, then transferred himself into Bernard before Angela blew it up. The "key" in Abernathy's control unit is related to the immortality project, not Ford. Ford has been in control of Bernard since the Mesa attack, and Ford hates Charlotte Hale, so the result of her interrogation of Bernard is likely to be a setup by Ford who is leading them into a trap. Her smug smile after he gives her the control unit location suggests that that smirk is going to get wiped off her face in spectacular fashion.

Guess I need to watch the last one again...

[Dantheman]

You have a large, wall sized white board with a massive (actually should be 3-D) flow chart for all the story lines, don't you??

Goddam RT sez only 8, but Comcast does indeed say 9. So a whole whopping 2 episodes to resolve this worm-fest.

Hah, definitely no flow chart. Not counting short-term flashbacks, I'm pretty sure we're actually down to just two timelines, one present day and one that is a bit over a week in the past. The present day one is pretty clean, but the post-gala one is definitely cluttered with the Dolores, Maeve, Bernard, and William/Emily stories all happening. A lot of consolidation and explicit reveals in this episode, though.

Agreed that a 9-episode season is still weak.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Wait, Ford is completely in Bernard?

Anyone else developing quite the crush on Shannon Woodward?

[neckdeep]

Still multiple timelines in play. The "present" is everything that has happened since Bernard woke up on the beach and Delos' head of ops showed up. Ford uploaded himself to The Cradle before the gala massacre, then transferred himself into Bernard before Angela blew it up. The "key" in Abernathy's control unit is related to the immortality project, not Ford. Ford has been in control of Bernard since the Mesa attack, and Ford hates Charlotte Hale, so the result of her interrogation of Bernard is likely to be a setup by Ford who is leading them into a trap. Her smug smile after he gives her the control unit location suggests that that smirk is going to get wiped off her face in spectacular fashion.

Well, we can't really be sure of the different timelines now because we've been cueing the timelines via Bernard and after last week's reveal, we now know it's possible we've been seeing more than one Bernard! The point of that reveal, imho, is not to show yet more characters reacting to the discovery of Bernard's true nature. It was to clue the viewer into the possibility that there is now more than one Bernard running around. We've already seen that one timeline features Bernard with his self-inflicted head wound scar and in another supposedly later timeline, he does not have the scar.

[PB]

GAAAAAAAAA ....... MORE WORMS!

[Dantheman]

Wait, Ford is completely in Bernard?

It was strongly implied. After Bernard unjacks from The Cradle the security system comes back online and the Delos chick who had been working on it says that whatever had been disrupting the system appears to be completely gone. Also, Angela blew up The Cradle, which Ford knew was coming, so he had to get out.

Well, we can't really be sure of the different timelines now because we've been cueing the timelines via Bernard and after last week's reveal, we now know it's possible we've been seeing more than one Bernard! The point of that reveal, imho, is not to show yet more characters reacting to the discovery of Bernard's true nature. It was to clue the viewer into the possibility that there is now more than one Bernard running around. We've already seen that one timeline features Bernard with his self-inflicted head wound scar and in another supposedly later timeline, he does not have the scar.

If there aren't at least post-gala and post-Karl Strand arrival timelines happening, then the show is completely off the rails. It's possible that the "Room of Bernards" was a bridge between last week's "fidelity" scene with Dolores and Bernard, and the explicit reveal later in this episode that Ford and Dolores spent years refining Bernard into the most perfect copy of Arnold they could. At least one of those Bernard bodies was an older-style mechanical host body akin to the "Child Ford" host.

That said, multiple Bernards are definitely possible. I had missed the disappearing/reappearing scar. Apparently the scar was present in the Season 1 scene where they were analyzing Abernathy after he started malfunctioning following his discovery of the photo of William's wife. That was long before Bernard shot himself. If they're really tying it back that far I'm just going to throw my hands up. Small details matter in this show, but I can't help but wonder that some of this stuff is just normal continuity errors that happen during production.

ETA: There's speculation that most, if not all, of this season is actually Bernard stuck in a loop in a Cradle-like simulation while Delos tries to recover something from his memory. If that's even half true, the show has gone full Lost and I probably don't bother to watch Season 3.

[Ski to Be]

I have kind of gotten confused about the timelines. I am entertained though and I just figure it will get explained later. I liked the latest indian episode. Another fully self aware host. Not sure how they could let that happen from the control center but makes for compelling characters.

[Elkhound Odin]

Is Maive now in full control of the matrix? Will she stop the Wyatt/Delores breakout & slaughter? How is William not dead? Guy got shot like 4-5 times.


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[Dantheman]

How is William not dead? Guy got shot like 4-5 times.

He was shot an absurd number of times, more than enough to make the point.

I really liked this episode despite the general lack of plot development. Going to have to re-watch it for sure.

[east or bust]

Was Ake somehow an off the grid host? I mean, once he re-found his wife and they tried to find the way out and she was discovered, how did they miss him? There is definitely something going on between Ford and his programming. How did he wake on his own in the guts of the lab? Many questions still, so many possibilities.

[BeardedClam]

Anyone else making connections to the time machine or is that just me.

[Dantheman]

Was Ake somehow an off the grid host? I mean, once he re-found his wife and they tried to find the way out and she was discovered, how did they miss him? There is definitely something going on between Ford and his programming. How did he wake on his own in the guts of the lab? Many questions still, so many possibilities.

IIRC, it was discussed last season that the monitoring system doesn't work on hosts with really old builds, like Ford's host family. Presumably, Ake avoided dying for so long that the system stopped recognizing him as everything and everyone else was updated. That would seem to be the reason the techs freaked out when they discovered how old his build was; they realized he had been living out there unmonitored for years and really did not want to reveal that to management. My guess would be that Ford's secret lab was still able to keep tabs on him, which led to Ford's interest in him.

Maeve's behavior last season implied that any self-aware host can un-sleep themselves. Even in the context of this show, his casual journey all the way down to cold storage and back stretched the limits of plausibility, but whatever, I guess.

Anyone else making connections to the time machine or is that just me.

Definitely shades of that with them calling the body recovery techs "The Ones Below." In the comments to the Wired recap, one commenter pointed out that that part of the episode seemed inspired by the Greek tale of Orpheus entering the underworld in order to bring his wife Eurydice back to the world of the living.

[Dantheman]

So Logan didn't die after his naked ride into the unknown. That's an interesting revelation. There's no way that's not going to be significant somehow.

I'm gonna go ahead and pat myself on the back here

[PB]

This was the best episode of the season (guessing that the final will go back to making me gnash my teeth). The confusion cleared, and the empathy blossomed. Beautifully done.

But WAIT!! Now it appears there are still 2 more episodes remaining - #10 just magically appeared. When will it stop?!?

[ill-advised strategy]

Tgr profile update...
Location: “secret room of Bernards”

This room would be filled with 0bernhardfranz clones though.

[Dantheman]

That was seriously heavy.

[Elkhound Odin]

What are the odds that William is a robot?

[Dantheman]

Seems low, the QA crew scanned him with that human-checker device and he passed. My take was that he had just smoked his own daughter, and so desperately wanted to find host hardware and absolve himself of responsibility for her death that he was willing to slice himself open. Of course, we never got 100% confirmation that Emily wasn't a host herself or even actually dead. Still, that scene was savage, as was the scene where Clementine turns the hosts against themselves.

I'm also not convinced that Bernard actually deleted Ford from himself. That seemed way too easy.

[Diamond Joe]

So what, Ford is just, like, God now?? He can appear wherever and just like manifest himself into reality when its convenient??

Pretty heavy 2nd to last episode. Is Teddy really dead? One thing I love/hate about this show - death is never final.

[Elkhound Odin]

Seems low, the QA crew scanned him with that human-checker device and he passed. My take was that he had just smoked his own daughter, and so desperately wanted to find host hardware and absolve himself of responsibility for her death that he was willing to slice himself open. Of course, we never got 100% confirmation that Emily wasn't a host herself or even actually dead. Still, that scene was savage, as was the scene where Clementine turns the hosts against themselves.

I'm also not convinced that Bernard actually deleted Ford from himself. That seemed way too easy.

Here is why I think William is a robot:
He should be dead. He was shot how many times? And now he's riding around like there is nothing wrong with him. Other hosts (Delores, Teddy, etc) have been shot and seems just fine. Only people really seem to die from gun shots. Maive should be dead as well. She is so wounded that she can't move, but she's still operating.
The human detector thing showed Bernard as human in episode one. So there is something about certain robots which get around that device.
When Ford told William the maze was not for him, it might have meant William was a robot that should not become self aware. (it might break him, like Delos)

[PB]

Help a geezer out: the Profile card that Ford gave William - are those made for the upper rite in preparation for the final upload?? William's wife hides the card in the music box, and the card then shows up in the daughter's bloody "dead" hand - so the daughter was BSing dear old Dad about tossing the box and then not being able to find it? Really not sure what it may mean but it sure doesn't add up.