Bobby's used car lot and Free Carfax

[Mazderati]

No. Just Mazderati. He has a RX7. That doesn't really scream wealthy to me.

Careful. Someone might think you're poor and want an RX-7 as often as you bring it up.

[El Chupacabra]

Careful. Someone might think you're poor and want an RX-7 as often as you bring it up.

I haven't noticed any BS cars posted here with rotary motors. You could be onto something.

[SumJongGuy]

An RS would have a vinyl top wouldn't it? Maybe that was thrown out with the numbers matching paint job.

We used to joke that R/S stood for Racing Stripe..

[SumJongGuy]

It is kinda odd to see such an eclectic collection of exotic cars in Nashville. There are a handful of nice places around here but being close to Appalachia and all I'm betting the rest of the lot looks like this..

[Bobby Stainless]

After I take my cut of the consignment, they are hardly worth dealing with.

I don't know who would laugh at who, but I'm sure laughing at some rich jackhole that tore apart a matching numbers car like that and turn it into what he did, which is crap in comparison.

Or the numbers never matched?

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I’m sure that we’ve touched on the subject of “matching numbers” in the past. But what exactly does “matching numbers” mean? I really couldn’t tell you, because it means different things to different people, and different things on different cars. When you consider all of the permutations that are possible, it is virtually impossible to come up with a universally accurate definition of “matching numbers.”

[Bobby Stainless]

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[Skidog]

After I take my cut of the consignment, they are hardly worth dealing with.



I’m sure that we’ve touched on the subject of “matching numbers” in the past. But what exactly does “matching numbers” mean? I really couldn’t tell you, because it means different things to different people, and different things on different cars. When you consider all of the permutations that are possible, it is virtually impossible to come up with a universally accurate definition of “matching numbers.”

We all know what it means in terms of original classic cars. Dont kid yourself.

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[wyeaster]

it depends what the definition of is is

[k2skier112]

After I take my cut of the consignment, they are hardly worth dealing with.



I’m sure that we’ve touched on the subject of “matching numbers” in the past. But what exactly does “matching numbers” mean? I really couldn’t tell you, because it means different things to different people, and different things on different cars. When you consider all of the permutations that are possible, it is virtually impossible to come up with a universally accurate definition of “matching numbers.”

Nice cherry picking quotes out of context...They were referring to odd items that didn't have numbers on them, and before VIN numbers became standardized.

But of course, an immoral, unethical used car salesman doesn't give a shit about that.

[Ted Striker]

An RS would have a vinyl top wouldn't it?

Typically yes (and rear bumperettes as well) but I don't think either were technically part of the RS package, which IIRC was just the grille w/hideaway headlights, backup lights, and slightly different trim + badges.

And of course people ripped them off or didn't replace them when they rotted out.

[Mazderati]

Gotcha.

[Ted Striker]

If you really want to pick that car apart, it's missing the rs wheel arch and rocker chrome, and the louvers.

The hood stripes are wrong (no such thing as Z/28 + SS). Unless it's a Z10, but it isn't. You'd go to prison for painting it that color.

I'd be surprised if the cowl hood is original (super rare - only late 69 production)

[Bobby Stainless]

If you really want to pick that car apart, it's missing the rs wheel arch and rocker chrome, and the louvers.

The hood stripes are wrong (no such thing as Z/28 + SS). Unless it's a Z10, but it isn't. You'd go to prison for painting it that color.

I'd be surprised if the cowl hood is original (super rare - only late 69 production)

I'd be surprised if anyone on TGR is an actual buyer for a "driver quality" 45-50k 69 Camaro.

Collector grade examples are in the 100s so the price of the car reflects the rarity.

You'd have to be a bit of a dumb shit to think we were selling a 100% original 69 SS for 50k... I think you know this.

Nice cherry picking quotes out of context...They were referring to odd items that didn't have numbers on them, and before VIN numbers became standardized.

But of course, an immoral, unethical used car salesman doesn't give a shit about that.

This is why it is so important for a buyer and a seller to clarify exactly what “matching numbers” means to them. In general (and I’m sure I’ll get angry letters about this), the more expensive the car, the more numbers should match.

On a $60,000 “driver quality” car, a buyer might reasonably expect the engine numbers to match, and perhaps the transmission numbers as well. I would argue that 75% of the cars intrinsic value is derived from these numbers being correct. But on a $150,000 show car that has achieved “NCRS Top Flight” or “Bloomington Gold” status, a buyer might reasonably expect each and every number to be correct.

Try not to hurt yourself K2.

It's just a 50k car. Not really anything to get butt hurt over and at 50k its one of our bargain bin cars. Middle class inventory. Really not even worth our time. I spend more of my energy on classic Ferrari and Lamborghini.

The douchebaggery of the last 2-3 pages is a perfect example of why these cars are a pain in the ass. Buy the car or shut the fuck up. No one gives a shit what you think "matching numbers" means.

Typical forum "experts". None are actual buyers and none have ever sold a 69 Camaro.... Lol.

[Bobby Stainless]

[Bobby Stainless]

We all know what it means in terms of original classic cars. Dont kid yourself.

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Perhaps an example of a popular collector car will illustrate how complicated this issue can become. Let’s look at a 1967 427/435 Corvette. If the car were entirely original, the engine number and transmission number would match the last six digits of the cars VIN (vehicle identification number). If the car was represented as being “matching numbers,” would a potential buyer be entitled to expect that all of these numbers match? Some would say yes, and others might say that only the engine number needs to match.

But what about the rear end, carburetor, distributor, alternator, intake and exhaust manifolds, cylinder heads, and a multitude of other items that have part numbers and casting codes? These numbers never matched the individual cars VIN, but would indicate if they were used on a 1967 Corvette. What if these numbers on our make-believe car indicate that these parts were never used on a 1967 Corvette? Is this no longer a “matching numbers car?”
But wait! What about the “paint codes” and “trim codes” that are indicated on the “Trim Tag”? Do these need to match the exterior color and interior color of the car? Lets not forget about the “date codes” on all of the glass and the mirrors. The list of potential numbers goes on and on.

Read this Skidog. Someone that separates classics in two categories (matching or not) doesn't really know what the fuck they are talking about and obviously has zero sales/buying experience.

Meanwhile more cars roll in. K2 you should call the billionaire we are selling for and tell him Im a fraud. He didnt get the TGR memo.

[Vt-Freeheel]

That Pontiac is sweet. My first car was a 66 Lemans convertible. Not matching # as the original 6 had been replaced with a 350. My dad took me to an auction where I bought it for $550. Perfect rust free with 70k miles.

[Bobby Stainless]

We've got this Drive for Cancer Rally coming up and I really want to take that car.

I have to drive a Mclaren or Ferrari though.

[N1CK.]

let's see more of those two Porsches.

[Bobby Stainless]

Some company in California makes them. Ill take a couple more pics today.

[Vt-Freeheel]

We've got this Drive for Cancer Rally coming up and I really want to take that car.

I have to drive a Mclaren or Ferrari though.

I can picture Mrs. Stainless sitting on the back seat in a spring hat waving to the crowd.

[Bobby Stainless]

I can picture Mrs. Stainless sitting on the back seat in a spring hat waving to the crowd.

She doesn't like riding with me. Lol.

9/10 Mags would shit their pants.

[Mazderati]

I'd be surprised if anyone on TGR is an actual buyer for a "driver quality" 45-50k 69 Camaro.

Collector grade examples are in the 100s so the price of the car reflects the rarity.

You'd have to be a bit of a dumb shit to think we were selling a 100% original 69 SS for 50k... I think you know this.

Yesterday you were so willing to call it matching numbers. Then it was numbers matching but maybe not a real SS. Today numbers matching doesn't matter and it's not an original car. Bobby Flip-flopper.

It's just a 50k car. Not really anything to get butt hurt over and at 50k its one of our bargain bin cars. Middle class inventory. Really not even worth our time. I spend more of my energy on classic Ferrari and Lamborghini.

Yesterday it was part of a billionaire's collection. Today it's bargain bin middle class inventory. Bobby Jellyfish.

[Bobby Stainless]

Yesterday you were so willing to call it matching numbers. Then it was numbers matching but maybe not a real SS. Today numbers matching doesn't matter and it's not an original car. Bobby Flip-flopper.




Yesterday it was part of a billionaire's collection. Today it's bargain bin middle class inventory. Bobby Jellyfish.

God you are fucking pathetic. The 50k drivers Camaro isnt really a million dollar Countach LP400S is it?

matching numbers.

Has never bought or sold a classic car. LMAO.

[Mazderati]

God you are fucking pathetic.

Pathetic is not knowing what the fuck you're selling.

[Skidog]

Read this Skidog. Someone that separates classics in two categories (matching or not) doesn't really know what the fuck they are talking about and obviously has zero sales/buying experience.

Meanwhile more cars roll in. K2 you should call the billionaire we are selling for and tell him Im a fraud. He didnt get the TGR memo.

68 original mg chrome bumper 100% matching. Matching bug eye Sprite, not fully restored yet, and a 1950 fully restored caddy convertible. All in my parents barn in Goshen NY. The caddy should be in a fucking museum. But yeah I'm new here...it's Soo funny how little you know about the people you attempt to bash.

For the record. To me personally on classics. To be matching the car must have the engine and body vin match, trim and color should match the door plate. That's a "matching numbers" car to me. You're right that some are willing to make exceptions on numbers matching. I'll give ya that. I'd agree it's not 100% written in stone.

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