GUNS!!!!!!!!

[XavierD]

not to mention most people who shoot ak's don't know how to shoot.

[zion zig zag]

But we all agree that the AK is not as accurate as the AR15/M4, right?

[snow_slider]

No guns in my house other than air rifles and paintball guns, but how many of you have fired a Browning 50 cal from the waist of a WWII B17 bomber?



My "war face"



In reality it was non firing, but it was a mind blowing experience imagining what it must have been like.

Lots of big guns on a B17:

[Stone-Free]

But we all agree that the AK is not as accurate as the AR15/M4, right?

AR's > AK for accuracy.

I don't care for AK's that much, but they are very dependable and low maintenance. I'll still go with my AR's due to the flexibility of the platform and adding furniture and such.

[Jer]

I shot the AK with the new Tech Sight mounted toady. Way better than the stock blade. I'm very glad I went this route instead of the Ultimak rail/Aimpoint route. This is plenty accurate and way cheaper. AKs may not be as inherently accurate as ARs, but they are more accurate than many give them credit for.

[Jethro]

But we all agree that the AK is not as accurate as the AR15/M4, right?

Yes. For the most part the AR shoots better than the AK. Given that the open sights limit the bench rest long range of both guns, the difference becomes less obvious. How many AK's have you seen with a scope like Leroy's? If you found an accurate AK, it might warrant such good optics, but is that why you would buy such a gun? As a type, AK's are passable, but I am sure there are exceptional shooters in that group. I have bolt and falling block single magnums for long range accurate shooting and an AK and mini 14 for fun in the desert. The Mini 14 does not warrant the 3x9 nikon on it though. The next gun on the list is a Sig 556, A Para or maybe the new Ruger. Not sure the Ruger is worth the big price.

Jer, I went to the Tech-sight website today. Do you get the ribbed dustcover shown on their guns and is the sight all metal?

[TNKen]

Mini 14 and accurate do not need to be used in the same sentence. Best I ever got out of mine was about a 6" group at 100 yards.

[Jethro]

Mini 14 and accurate do not need to be used in the same sentence. Best I ever got out of mine was about a 6" group at 100 yards.

Mine is not that bad, but 2.5-3" @ 100 yard groups with a high magnification scope is disappointing. Take it to 200 yards and a hit on a clay pigeon target is chance. I like my bolt and single shot guns which group around a quarter or smaller.

[TNKen]

Back to the real thing.

The Plinkers. Top to bottom
Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum, Leupold 8.5x25 Optics
Remington Police Sniper Special .308 Winchester, Leupold 6x12 optics, tuned by Robar
Socom AR-15 custom Build, JT Distributing 1" bull barrel, match trigger




1911 Collection
Top left then clockwise.
STI 2011 Custom build in .38 Super, Robar tuned, BarStow barrel & bushing, STI custom sights, Dawson Precision front sight,
Remington Rand 1911, US Property Marked WWII original.
Kimber Custom Royal, custom tuned, checkered front strap,
Wilson Combat, custom build, lightened frame and slide, bobbed grip, three dot sights



Down the tube.

[Jethro]

[QUOTE=TNKen;2843720]Back to the real thing.

The Plinkers. Top to bottom
Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum, Leupold 8.5x25 Optics
Remington Police Sniper Special .308 Winchester, Leupold 6x12 optics, tuned by Robar
Socom AR-15 custom Build, JT Distributing 1" bull barrel, match trigger

/QUOTE]

Wow, you have some serious money invested in those rifles. Very nice

[madmike]

Wow, you have some serious money invested in those rifles. Very nice

Hell, that's an easy $10k worth of 1911s sitting there.

[Skipig25]

Dear Ken,

Thank you.

Love,
TGR Gun nuts

[Kai]

Back to the real thing.

The Plinkers. Top to bottom
Sako TRG-42 .338 Lapua Magnum, Leupold 8.5x25 Optics
Remington Police Sniper Special .308 Winchester, Leupold 6x12 optics, tuned by Robar
Socom AR-15 custom Build, JT Distributing 1" bull barrel, match trigger

How do you like the Sako?

I'm in the market for a .338 Lapua, and would be interested to hear your opinions.

What ammunition do you use?

[Jer]

Jer, I went to the Tech-sight website today. Do you get the ribbed dustcover shown on their guns and is the sight all metal?

Yep and yep.

Ken - I thought you were selling the TRG 42? Man that's a lot of magnification - did that scope come with the rifle?

Shot a Barrett m99 the other day - those aren't as bad as I thought they'd be. Still would go for a .338 Lapua mag if I had the $$ tho. There are tons of guys around here with .50's - the longest I ever see most of them shooting is 300 yds.

I'm aslo putting a no-mod recoil pad on the K-31. That thing's killin' me.

[TNKen]

The Sako is probbly the nicest, most well built rifle I have ever owned. I have only fired it once, and it was very nice. Just haven't found the time yet to get it out. Between ski season and coaching club volleyball, not many weekends. But, both are over here in the south, so it will get some exercise shortly. I got the gun, bipod, muzzle break, scope and scope rings, range finder, cleaning supplies, together with the drag bag and about 250 rounds of ammo in a pack for a little over $6k. There was over $1,000 of custom loaded ammunition.

Go over to the snipe's hide website to read about guys playing with the .338. Most use the 250 grain Scenar bullets. It seems that depending on the twist of the barrel, the 300 grains don't stabalize that well.

The scope is pretty cool. Crank it up and you can watch your heart beat by the jump of the reticle.

Bad thing on the .338 LM, it is very, very expensive unless you are going to reload. If you aren't going to shoot it a lot, not much problem. I got the ammo with the gun, but did pick up 20 rounds of Lapua, which was $95. It is a compromise between the .308 and .50 BMG. Rated at a 1,600 yard gun. Same problem here, I only have nearby access to about 300-400 yards. Closest 1,000 yard range is 2 hours away. It does pack a punch on the receiving end, so if you get a light, hunting type gun, make sure you are well protected on the shoulder when you shoot it. Make sure you get a good muzzle brake as well.

I had a Barrett 82-A1 for a while. Bought it used as a complete package that was a refurb from guns delivered to Norway for demo. Lot of fun, very poor accuracy with ball ammo. I took it out to the range once and put a few shots down range. Spent 2 weeks at the chiro trying to get the range of motion in my shoulder back. And I'm over 200lbs. There are better muzzle brakes than Barrets that tame the recoil better. Traded it to get a 1919 Browning.

Don't tell the wife about the 1911's!!!!

[Jethro]

New question. I have a P14 and Remington 1100 for home defense. I leave the assault rifles in the safe for PR reasons. We have a bear problem here, with a lot of house break ins, and I am upping my ammo. I cut a marred 3" 1100 barrel to 18.75, and want to use 3" slugs and OO buck. I have not shot the barrel yet. Any opinions on the reliability of the short barrel? I regret not cutting it to 21".
As a 30", 3" magnum barrel, it used to cycle all loads down to 1 1/8 OZ field loads reliably. I am also putting a mag extension on it giving me 6-7 of 2 3/4 or 3" shells.

[flatlander#2]

holy crap what a quiver Ken, geez you need to go someplace really open with thing to explode. I have some ideas...

[TNKen]

Thanks. Yeah, outta move west, but Tennessee does have pretty liberal gun laws and a mandatory "shall sign" law for Class III stuff.

I may do a set on the wheelies next.

[Jer]

Same problem here, I only have nearby access to about 300-400 yards. Closest 1,000 yard range is 2 hours away. It does pack a punch on the receiving end, so if you get a light, hunting type gun, make sure you are well protected on the shoulder when you shoot it.

I didn't mean the .50 guys around here can't find the range - I mean they don't fire longer than 300 yds. They have the range available to them - they just don't use it. The only guys who are ever on the 600 meter range are shooting .308.

The .50s are fun just from a pure destruction standpoint, but other than that I can think of about a hundred rifles I want more (one of them being a Sako 85 G Wolf). They wieght 25 lbs, they're super expensive to shoot and they're not really that accurate. Granted the only guys I've talked to own Barretts, Armalites and one guy had a Bohica, but they can only get them to shoot 1.5 MOA at best. For $3000 + just for the rifle it doesn't make sense. I've been drooling over the TRG 42 for awhile, but I keep telling myself it's something I don't need at all (which is true). My .308 is fine out to about 800 meters and I'm working on a load with a 175 gr SMK to maybe push it out to 1000, but that's it for around here. Plus 1000 + meters is a lot of walking and I'm not even sure you can hear steel smack at that range. Actually the rifle I've been having the most fun with lately is the Swiss K31 I picked up a month ago (except for the steel buttplate kicking my ass).

[leroy jenkins]

Remington Rand 1911, US Property Marked WWII original.

Do you actually shoot that?

[TNKen]

Do you actually shoot that?

Nope, inherited from my uncle. It's strictly a safe queen. If I ever decided to shoot it, it would go to a smith for a thorough look-see and spring change-out.

I've got too many others to shoot to worry about that one.

Have a friend with a Singer 1911, one of 500 made. Now that's a safe queen. I figure it's worth somewhere between $60-90k.

[leroy jenkins]

Not surprised, very freaking cool though.

I had a friend who claimed to have carried a Singer 1911 in WWII, he said at the time he thought he had a pile of junk because it was made by a sewing machine company, and if he'd of known he'd of "kept" it.

[TNKen]

[Jer]

Hey - anybody here cast their own lead? I'm thinking of doing this for .44 mag loads. How much of a pain in the ass is it? What's the initial $$? I go through maybe 300-400 rounds of .44 mag per year, but I have been shooting the Dan more lately. This'd be primarily for metallc silhouette.

[TNKen]

Probably not worth the expense of the setup if that's all you are shooing. Casting dyes and the lead smelting pot will set you back a few hundred bucks. Lead usually comes from the local tire shop, but lead weights are becoming scarce.

If you do it, make sure you smelt in an open, well ventilated area. Not the basement of your house. Lead fumes make you crazy.