Die Traversers Die!

[Gripen]

Seems like poeple ski the resorts to get a bunch of vert. and be in the scene. Then they start to get sick of the shit show. For a while they are bitter in bounds skiers. Then they rediscover skiing away from lift served areas and chill the fuck out again. People suck. If you can't deal, remove yourself.

Yea, because fuck, there are no inconsiderate, assholes in the bc. No one ever fucks up a skin track, drops in above ya, does unsafe shit around you.

Yea no attitude at all beyond the ropes.

[Gripen]

Most of us definitely take ourselves WAY too seriously. (I'm guilty)

Going to have to agree, at the end of the day, it's nothing important, its just skiing.

Nothing more, nothing less, just skiing.

[Tye 1on]

Yea, because fuck, there are no inconsiderate, assholes in the bc. No one ever fucks up a skin track, drops in above ya, does unsafe shit around you.

Yea no attitude at all beyond the ropes.

Nope, especially not on Teton Pass. And all the dogs play nice, their poo gets picked up, and everybody lives happily ever after...

[tone capone]

traversing below the chutes in mundy's or fuez or any other popular bowl is essentially merging with every fun line on the hill. it is up to the traverser to watch out for skiers coming from above. if you're doing it, look uphill, watch out for oncoming skiers and yield to them.

The answer to this whole thread can be summed up as such. These are the rules of the "shit show" for a reason. A little common sense can really settle a lot of things without inhumane punishment. Then we can all get back to not taking it so seriously. If you want to have no rules, then go skiing away from a resort by yourself. It's a pretty good taste of freedom.

While these folks did pay for their tix, I remember when I was a young gaper (22), I caught shit all the time from all ages when I side-slipped through stuff that was over my head. A little ribbing isn't a bad thing and it's kinda always stuck with me when I get into a challenging terrain today.

"Make a turn, Nancy!"

Man, so much wisdom in this thread. Keep it coming!

[FiveLarge]

Seems like poeple ski the resorts to get a bunch of vert. and be in the scene. Then they start to get sick of the shit show. For a while they are bitter in bounds skiers. Then they rediscover skiing away from lift served areas and chill the fuck out again. People suck. If you can't deal, remove yourself.
Does anyone remember what it's like to be a beginner at anything, or are you too pridefull to suck at something in public? Get over yourselves.

+1

The sense of entitlement is really ghey.

Yea, because fuck, there are no inconsiderate, assholes in the bc. No one ever fucks up a skin track, drops in above ya, does unsafe shit around you.

Yea no attitude at all beyond the ropes.

See the above. Go to a less busy place. Simple. If I want, I can always find a place where I won't run into anyone outside of my group.

[ska21]

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[addict]

It's funny, in surfing there are clear rules. They have been developed for people's safety, and if you break the rules surfing you will likely have your face beaten in. This could never occur in skiing.

[summit]

Silverton has a sign at the top of the lift that says:

"Traversing is LAME. Don't be lame!"

Silverton is right!

[tone capone]

Word.......

[Spats]

Seems like poeple ski the resorts to get a bunch of vert. and be in the scene.

I ski because I like skiing. When people screw up perfectly good runs with 1000 traverse tracks, it messes up everyone's skiing. I don't spend much time fuming over it, but I would love it if someone figured out a workable solution.

For a while they are bitter in bounds skiers. Then they rediscover skiing away from lift served areas and chill the fuck out again.

Holier-than-thou BC skiers are just as annoying as obnoxious lift-served skiers. Just sayin'.

People suck. If you can't deal, remove yourself.

If everyone had that attitude, everything would suck and there would be no place left to go.

Does anyone remember what it's like to be a beginner at anything, or are you too pridefull to suck at something in public? Get over yourselves.

Don't put words in others' mouths and then tell them to "get over themselves". It's fine to be a beginner or an intermediate. It's not fine to pretend you're an advanced skier when you're not and screw up everyone else's experience.

Example: I took up mountain biking recently, and often ride with people who are faster than I am....or sometimes random riders catch up with me. So when I notice them, I *let them pass*.

Really this is all about courtesy and etiquette. As addict said, surfing has developed its own set of unwritten rules over the years: skiing, not so much.

[Lone Star]

re: Hardcore inbounds skiers

You are the most despicable type of skier I know. You are the bad attitude ruining the vibe on the playground. You are so blinded by how rad you perceive yourself to be that you can't possibly see the bigger picture. You are skiing at a ski resort, yet complain when someone else skis your line, doesn't do it the cool way, or lacks the skills and knowledge that only someone blessed enough to ski everyday could have. If you yourself were really so much more enlightened, you would just laugh knowingly at what you see below you and drop off the other side of the proverbial ridge into a perfect line, meeting your friends waiting below. But instead you buzz by the person wanting to know more about the mountains, who, until your outburst of aggressive profanity was probably having a great time. You are no better than that novice, in fact you are much worse. Perhaps you should hang up the sticks for something more fitting like being a used car salesman or meter maid, where you are offered a daily opportunity to attack the needy with your malicious, pathetic personality.

/rant

hey, how's the snow up there in the northwest? nice and fluffy for ya?

[philippeR]

And what are your feelings regarding chairlift etiquette ?
I mean, are you supposed to ask before lowering the safety bar ?
My take on this is that the bar is meant to be used and that all you need is a quick visual check before lowering the thing.
But YMMV. WWMD ?

[Steven S. Dallas]

Holier-than-thou BC skiers are just as annoying as obnoxious lift-served skiers.

On the internet, sure. Otherwise you're just not skinning out far enough.

You pussy.

[Endlessseason]

Shoot. No time to read this thread either but I just hafta say that anyone who has ever spent any time in bookends knows it is a mandatory traverse of about a mile every time if you want the good stuff. Way more than a mile on knucklehead. More than a mile on zen, and sfb's. Likewise, it's a 10 min walk plus about a half-mile traverse each and every North Baldy run.
About a half-mile traverse to Greeley Bowl and/or Rustler, Eagles, etc.
I dunno, no traversing = no much fun in my book.
Whatever.

[fez]

Shoot. No time to read this thread so i'll just join the conversation anyway and spew some crap to show i dont understand what's being discussed.
Whatever.

fixed that up for ya endless.

[JohnF]

It's German for "The traversers, the!"

[leroy jenkins]

re: Hardcore inbounds skiers

You are the most despicable type of skier I know. You are the bad attitude ruining the vibe on the playground. You are so blinded by how rad you perceive yourself to be that you can't possibly see the bigger picture. You are skiing at a ski resort, yet complain when someone else skis your line, doesn't do it the cool way, or lacks the skills and knowledge that only someone blessed enough to ski everyday could have. If you yourself were really so much more enlightened, you would just laugh knowingly at what you see below you and drop off the other side of the proverbial ridge into a perfect line, meeting your friends waiting below. But instead you buzz by the person wanting to know more about the mountains, who, until your outburst of aggressive profanity was probably having a great time. You are no better than that novice, in fact you are much worse. Perhaps you should hang up the sticks for something more fitting like being a used car salesman or meter maid, where you are offered a daily opportunity to attack the needy with your malicious, pathetic personality.

/rant

You don't need to spend every day skiing to have a tiny bit of common sense/courtesy, and situational awareness.

A couple years ago, some gaper fucktard traverser ended my season when he traversed right underneath me (and right past the very visable "NO TRAVERSING" sign) when I was carrying a good deal of speed in highland bowl.

You don't have to be hardcore to look uphill before cutting someone off.

I'm all for being polite to people, but there are lots of people out there that need to be politely reminded to please not turn their brains off.

[Lonnie]

"Get a life beater" is the established correct and appropriate maggot reponse to "Change for a nickle." Search the archives JONG.

LOL. Nice. I was just thinking, "How'd he know?"

[Name Redacted]

I wish I was traversing right now

[RootSkier]

Most of us definitely take ourselves WAY too seriously. (I'm guilty)

Good thing no one else takes you seriously, except for stupid JONGs and a few seriously butthurt regulars.

[Ottime]

Holy shit! I was going to start this thread myself. For real, if you can't ski it from the ridge, don't do it. In particular, Alpine Meadows. It's bad enough patrol puts in the traverse below Idiots, but what the fuck is up with traversing all the way out under Bernie's, across Sherwood Cliffs, below Keyhole, and all over High T. Do it from the top down, pussies! If you're too lazy to take a five minute walk, go to Squaw, they've got lifts everywhere. And all because you are not man (or woman) enough to huck the cliffs you are traversing under, doesn't mean that someone else isn't going to hit it. The five fresh turns you get fucks up countless lines for others that just want to ride the fall line.

I hear you. It fucks up the runouts. Especially at Idiots and Keyhole, BUT... every one of those using the traverse paid for a ticket, just like you. From the ridge it is pretty much all double diamond terrain. From the traverse it is single diamond terrain. To suggest that a good portion of the mountain should be roped off to those of lesser ability is just stupid. Sure, I would like it - less skied up down below, but it will not happen. Alpine would lose business, blah, blah, blah. Alpine is not Silverton. If someone is not "man" enough, who are you to judge? Maybe they don't wish to huck a cliff. Right now I am healing a broken bone - when done, I will be out skiing. I will not huck cliffs, or ski any tight lines for some time - but I will traverse out to get powder. If that happens to be below some gnarly lines - so be it. I will of course look up to be sure I am not about to get hit, but I will ski the powder in the apron.

It is funny how some seem to think that ranting about gaper traversers on the TGR board will help fix the problem. Is it assumed that most of those gaper traversers post up here?

I would love a NO TRAVERSE sign and rope off the Chair 10 at KW. The run out off the ridge is teh suc, but it is part of skiing in bounds. I hope the new Platter fixes the traverse problem on the Wave, but it may not.

I agree anyone traversing under a rope should have a pass pulled - but if the rule is not stated by the resort, it is just a skier guideline. I am not surprised lower Flute is traversed out - with the new lift, and people not wanting to hike, but feeling the desire to explore a bit, I can imagine peole traversing out and traversing back.

Finally - anyone who hits some one on purpose is just a stupid selfish asshole.

[alto]

I[INDENT]t's funny, in surfing there are clear rules. They have been developed for people's safety, and if you break the rules surfing you will likely have your face beaten in. This could never occur in skiing.

Clear rules have been developed. They go, "The downhill skier has the right of way." Valid inbounds, because he can't look behind him to know who's about to fly past. Valid OB because people above him could put him in danger.

hey, how's the snow up there in the northwest? nice and fluffy for ya?

How was Thirds-Eagle's yesterday? Best ever?

[sparkletarte.]

When I first moved here, I definitely didn't know all the etiquette and wouldn't always pay attention because it was all so exciting and powder and gnar and steep and whoa! so I'm sure I did the things that today bug me. Geez, I probably still do.

[addict]

Clear rules have been developed. They go, "The downhill skier has the right of way." Valid inbounds, because he can't look behind him to know who's about to fly past. Valid OB because people above him could put him in danger.

I realise this, but what about in a bowl, ala north bowl of kicking horse like Gripen is talking about. The traverser is coming from higher up the drainage and cutting along the base of the cliffs. The chute skier is coming from immediately higher elevation, but lower down the drainage.

Surfing rules have gray areas too, but they are designed for safety. Traversing is unsafe for the traverser, as well as the skier skiing fall line. Not just from collision, but from an avalanche safety perspective. Imagine someone traversing a whole bowl OB.....

[Sir Jongalot]

How am I supposed to progress my game from JONG to your level without the tools of traversing, sideslipping, snow plowing, and hiking in the skin track?