Kurt Cobain Memorial thread

[HRDCORESNOWRIDE]

Originally posted by Tippster
My young Friend - I have one name for you to research, then recognize:

Afrika Bambaataa .

dood, NWA was around the same time as this dood. NWA made several underground records before ever hitting the big time. better recognize.!!

[Schmear]

Do you have those glasses on right now?

[Tippster]

Originally posted by Mountainman
Still cranking that in my truck. Nobody knows who they are though

Yep. Kids these days, I'll tell ya...









(between you & me - AB is ONE GUY, not a group)

[meatdrink9]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki

That's fine and I never said differently.
But why is it fine to say 'these guys rule', but not to disagree? Is it only your opinion, or positive opinions, that count?

I still don't see why it's ridiculous to argue and/or defend an opinion. If I claim I'm a better skier than Ingemar Stenmark, or a better artist than Picasso, would you not disagree (after you saw my lame stick-figures)?
No one can ever claim that one thing is better than another, and provide an argument to show why that is so? That strikes me as absurd.
If you say critics are needed, then who should they be? You don't like some criticisms--fine, but those people are also entitled to their opinions. [/B]

You seem more concerned about a bands overall "importance or greatness" than just actually caring about liking it. They were here and they did some great things, but you know what that's not enough. They weren't "incredibly super extra special great". Even though they've done more than I ever will..let's shit on their graves and critique small aspects of their life. We're sitting at home behind our proverbial ted stryker alias taking shots at those that can be seen in public. Fuck you. Climb under the microscope. Your shit's gonna stink too.

I think critics are needed, but more often than not the words of the critics in here are "they suck" or they're gay". They're not the words of an actual critic. An art critic has a visual vocabulary of things to consider. Some aspects of the piece may be horrendous, but that may be the intention. They can report on what the piece does and doesn't do or whether or not they believes it does or doesn't work, but if you're going to start playing the role of a critic you better be able to disect your subject and know what you're talking about..otherwise the critic may become the object of scrutiny.

Obviously there are differences between people who WTF they're talking about and those who don't but for the most part that still doesn't matter. Music should still be personal. You always bitch about how Radiohead is the little darling of the critics. You love critics, but yet you hate "their darling" sounds like you made a "personal" music decision.

[HRDCORESNOWRIDE]

Originally posted by Schmear
Do you have those glasses on right now?

nah. Those are some funky glasses though, really cool to wear out on a night in the town! Look out ladies......WOOOT WOOOT!

just kidding man.

[The AD]

I've never, ever heard of The Darkness until I read this thread. After listening to a couple samples I have to agree that the singer's voice is difficult to take seriously.

[Schmear]

Originally posted by HRDCORESNOWRIDE


just kidding man.

I fear that you're not!

[Tippster]

Originally posted by HRDCORESNOWRIDE
dood, NWA was around the same time as this dood. NWA made several underground records before ever hitting the big time. better recognize.!!

Ahem...
From http://www.b-boys.com/hiphoptimeline.html :

1970-1973

-Hip Hop "Grandfather" Afrika Bambaataa (Godfather of Hip-Hop culture, Father of the Electro Funk sound, founder of the Universal Zulu Nation, visionary, historian, and the Master of Records) starts to DJ.
-1970 - The Last Poets, pioneers of hip-hop, record their self-named LP on Douglas Records, using a mixture of spoken word and jazz drumming and instrumentations.
-The origin of tagging, began in New York City in the early 70s by Vic, a mail courier who rode the local subways and buses to deliver his packages. He set a goal for himself to visit every subway and ride every bus in NY. (aka "All City") He began to write his name (Vic) and his courier ID number (156) on every subway and bus he rode on.
-Phase 2 (bubble styles), Case 2, Tracy 168, Sly II, Chain 3, Lee 163d, Julio 204, Frank 207 and Joe 136 were many early NYC tag names as well as originators of various styles of piecing such as: bubble, wildstyle and computer style.
-No one knows who started graffiti during this era but we do know who made it famous. It was TAKI 183, a Greek teenager from Washington Heights named Demetrius.
-One of the most revered graffiti crew and earliest group to form was the Ex-Vandals.
-"Independent Writers" indicated their crew affiliation by writing "INDS" after their tags.
-Graffiti group "Wanted" was founded by TRACY 168 in 1972. Tracy was a white kid who was so tough that he was allowed to hang out with the Black Spades (At its peak in the seventies "Wanted" had over seventy members.)
-The Graffiti bombing movement began in the mid to late '60s in Philly, PA by writers CORNBREAD and COOL EARL.
-Breakin' makes its first appearance in the clubs, Plaza Tunnel and the Puzzle. The earliest moves were the "Drop" and the "In-and-Out" (Top Rocking).

[HRDCORESNOWRIDE]

Originally posted by Schmear
I fear that you're not!

I've worn my bling bling chatta ching goggles in town before as part of my get up, but when you start sweating they don't feel so comfortible.

[HRDCORESNOWRIDE]

Originally posted by Tippster
Ahem...
From http://www.b-boys.com/hiphoptimeline.html :

yah dood, he's considered hip hop, not rap.. NWA were the godfathhers of rap and gangster rap. recognize sucka!

[Buster Highmen]

Sugarhill? Grand Master Flash?

[Woodsy]

Originally posted by HRDCORESNOWRIDE
yNWA were the godfathhers of rap and gangster rap. recognize sucka!

nooone ever thought of gangster rap before Dre
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Il Eagle]

Sheesh. I've never seen a thread with so much bickering here about something so trivial- and Blurred hasn't even posted here.

Dexter- quit being such a music snob. You live on the Upper East Side- quit acting like some Williamsburg wannabe.

Buster- contrary to your beliefs, Zappa is not the end all be all of music. As far as his significance to popular music in the 1990's- by the time Nevermind was released he was preoccupied with classical music. Most of his rock and roll inluencing stuff was from the 60's and 70's

HRDCORESNOWRIDE- calling NWA the godfathers of rap is like calling the Sex Pistols the godfathers of rock. The genre was well established by the time they showed up.

Man, everyone's getting so testy. Looks like a lot of resorts are closing this weekend.

And Courtney Love makes me want to puke.

[OJ]

I bet Courtney has a skanky bush.

[Il Eagle]

Originally posted by OJ
I bet Courtney has a skanky bush.

That's what makes me puke. I became an Ill Eagle after flying over a Hole concert at Red Rocks. Talk about a mangy beaver.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by Il Eagle
Buster- contrary to your beliefs, Zappa is not the end all be all of music. As far as his significance to popular music in the 1990's- by the time Nevermind was released he was preoccupied with classical music. Most of his rock and roll inluencing stuff was from the 60's and 70's

And you're a fucking ignoramus regarding what FZ was doing as well as anything else.

[Il Eagle]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
And you're a fucking ignoramus regarding what FZ was doing as well as anything else.

Way to get your panties all wadded up there, bud.

You think that the "Yellow Shark" was more influential over popular music than "Lumpy Gravy", "Hot Rats", or "Sheik Yerbouti"??? I mean, the Rolling Stones are still recording, but was "Steel Wheels" as influential or significant as "Sticky Fingers" or "Let it Bleed"?

[Blurred Elevens]

Here to set the record straight.

Sugarhill gang- First rap song ever. Now shut up, that's common knowledge.

NWA was the shit, but did not start Gangster Rap. Know who did?

Ice-T muthafucker! Rhyme Pays Album. SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER-first gangster rap song. -1986 I think?


And about Dre- when Squeeze the Trigger came out, Dre was wearing lipstick and Lace as part of another band....(I forget the name) The pic of Dre was on the inside of Eazy-E's 187 um killa album diss of Dre. Eazt was a dope dealer in L.A. that funded the band from it's beginnings. That's why Eazy was making money off of Dre's chronic album that was dissing him, Eazy was good with money.

Dre is as fake as a 3 dollar bill. On Straight out of Compton, the song "Express yourself" has Dre saying "I don't smoke weed or cest". Than his next album was called "The Chronic" with a pot leaf on the front.

Also, saying that Cobain is not great is a load of crap. I didn't like Nirvana really when they came out because I was so deep into rap at the time. (rap has never been as good since then)
HOWEVER, Nirvana came along with "Smells like Teen Spirit" and destroyed all of the 80's buttrock music scene, totally changing the game and leading the rush of Grunge. What artists can you name that have done that? Elvis? The Beatles? Pretty simple. He was very influental and will be remembered as one of the greats whether you agree or not.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Il Eagle
Dexter- quit being such a music snob. You live on the Upper East Side- quit acting like some Williamsburg wannabe.

Yeah, but somehow I just can't get the Broome Street out of me. Musta been something I picked up on the LES years ago. Never wanted to be Williamsburg, want it even less these days (man that place went to hell).
Didn't know our musical tastes should be defined by where we live, anyway.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Walter Sobchak
What the fuzzy fuck did the Bertles do that others bands didn't do at the same time or earlier? They didn't change history, they just rode the wave to the right place at the right time.

I have real trouble believing anyone could listen to the Beatles, with a sense of context, and believe the above. There's so much innovation in what the Beatles did--just look at how the pop charts changed after just about every single album they ever released.
To me it's like arguing that Miles Davis didn't change music. The Beatles are to rock what he was to jazz, and both are responsible for huge shifts in the music scene. There have been many books written describing this, so I won't go on...

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Even though they've done more than I ever will..let's shit on their graves and critique small aspects of their life. We're sitting at home behind our proverbial ted stryker alias taking shots at those that can be seen in public. Fuck you. Climb under the microscope. Your shit's gonna stink too.

edit: if Radiohead doesn't want to be critiqued, they shouldn't release music. It's part of the gig. When I release an album go ahead and tear it apart.


2nd edit: erased the three paragraphs I had explaining why criticism, even by non-professionals, is acceptable, because I don't feel that much like getting into it. I will say it seems like this stems from an old grudge about something I said about Radiohead, so I don't see the point. People are entitled to say what they like about music if it sucks, and if they provide reasons, well all the better. You don't like the reasons, disagree. But you shouldn't just say it's great art because you relate to the dude who made it.

[Schmear]

Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
What artists can you name that have done that? Elvis? The Beatles? Pretty simple.

I agree completely; none of those bands came along and destroyed the '80s buttrock scene like Nirvana did.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Now that (Phil Collins) is a living hell. I hope that Collins doesn't die of a drug overdose. I don't think I could stand it.

Now that is pretty funny, and something that never occurred to me. God, we have to protect Phil Collins at all costs!

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Now that is pretty funny, and something that never occurred to me. God, we have to protect Phil Collins at all costs!

Please be his martyr.

[Schmear]

So what happens to Cheney in 2004?