Kurt Cobain Memorial thread

[homerjay]

The same marketing forces that made the no-talent ass clowns famous are the same ones that put nirvana on the radio, smerhamrahamalammadingdong.

And I've seen bullshit on TV listing Hendrix, Joplin, Lennon, and lumping Cobain in there, too. Which one does not belong there? At least the others either were assassinated or boozed/drugged themselves to death like real rock stars should.

And abandoning your child is purely selfish, esp. when it means having her raised by your crackhead wife.

[Dexter Rutecki]

No shit. It's downright offensive to see Cobain put alongside true musical geniuses. The guy was a mediocre guitar player (no chops at all, from what I've seen) with an average ear for a catchy tune.
Shit voice.
That's it.
Garage band that made it--nothing more.

[mr_gyptian]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
No shit. It's downright offensive to see Cobain put alongside true musical geniuses. The guy was a mediocre guitar player (no chops at all, from what I've seen) with an average ear for a catchy tune.
Shit voice.
That's it.
Garage band that made it--nothing more.

I think the newest Rolling Stone puts Nirvana in with the 50 best of all time. It's patently ridiculous. To mention them in the same breath as the Beatles, Stones, or Zeppelin completely undermines what the aforementioned three did to Rock n' Roll as we know it.

[up an down]

Originally posted by homerjay
The same marketing forces that made the no-talent ass clowns famous are the same ones that put nirvana on the radio, smerhamrahamalammadingdong.

And I've seen bullshit on TV listing Hendrix, Joplin, Lennon, and lumping Cobain in there, too. Which one does not belong there? At least the others either were assassinated or boozed/drugged themselves to death like real rock stars should.

And abandoning your child is purely selfish, esp. when it means having her raised by your crackhead wife.

cobain was an addict wasn't he? and a depression bad enough for a suicide would seem to indicate a serious mental instability i.e. the guy was very ill ........and not in a rational frame of mind. he may have thought he was doing his kid a favor by checking himself out... i agree that he was good, but not in the same league as the musicians you mention.

[Buster Highmen]

The guy was great and played good tunes. No Tal Farlow, FZ or even a derivative blues player like Clapton or Page, but his popularity is undeniable.

Brought himself out of a sad, loser molested background in Aberdeen. More than most of you critics have even approached. Now that he's past popular, that makes it easy to sneer, eh?

Despite my thinking of "Suicide Chump" with regard to his death, there was a lot to the guys style.

Married to a bitch like Courtney, I'd probably do the same.

[Z]

C'mon now.....Nirvana was one of the greatest bands ever, Kurt Cobain could do things with his voice that no one thought possible, most liked it, some didn't......The strain that he put on his vocal chords, in almost all his songs, gave so much emotion and is something all singers are told NOT to do......Most would have no voice after a year of doing what he did....Not that i put too much pride into these things, but VH1 counted down top 100 voices/singers and Kurt was number 7

And Dave Grohl, this guy has got to be one of the greatest musicians of all time - drummer for nirvana and Queens of the Stone Age, Lead singer foo fighters, and i think one other boxcar racer er something im not sure......At one point he had 3 different albums on the top 20.....Thats no garage band drummer who got lucky.....

Listen to Nirvana Unplugged, has to be one of the best all around albums ever, every song is right on.....

Nirvana rocks.

Originally posted by up an down
cobain was an addict wasn't he? and a depression bad enough for a suicide would seem to indicate a serious mental instability i.e. the guy was very ill ........and not in a rational frame of mind. he may have thought he was doing his kid a favor by checking himself out... i agree that he was good, but not in the same league as the musicians you mention.

Kurt was an heroin Junkie everyone knew that, but he also had SEVERE stomach problems/ulcers that he could not get rid of and no doctor had the answer for. And i dont think that crackwhore Courtney Love was any help, the past couple days MTV had 2 experts on saying something like this "At the time of Kurt's death he had injected 3 times the normal amount of heroin into his bloodstream, and any mortal would not have the ability to physically pick up a rifle and hit the trigger" they seemed to think that he may have had some help = Courtney Love?

granted they also say that at the point he was at, he had built up such a tolerance to this drug abuse, so who knows

[The AD]

Originally posted by shmerham
If you recall the music at the time before Nirvana it was that no talent asshole Michael Bolton, Milli Vanilli, Mr Big.

It's not like people who became fans of Nirvana were listening to this shit previously, though. There was plenty of other good music being made at that time. For whatever reason grunge caught the attention of the music press and I think that's largely what brought it from just another little musical niche to being wildly popular in the early '90s. I think Nirvana deserves recognition for being one of the leading lights in grunge (and why do others like Soundgarden or Mudhoney get so much less attention?), but I don't think Nirvana deserves the status of one of the greatest bands in the history of rock.

[The Reverend Floater]

Nirvana was a great band, but to put them in the top 25 of any list is ludicrous. Pearl Jam is and will be more influentail globaly, by a long shot, than Nirvana will ever be.

Props to Kurt for what he was, but let's not get carried away, here.

[Beaver]

The guy definately conveyed alot of emotiion in his music. Some of his music was total and complete shit. While some of his work was brilliant. It is really too bad he offed himself. It would suck to be a civil servant for eternity.

[Buster Highmen]

Andy Woods was as good as any, but the top grade black tar got him too. L'Andrew the Love Child rooled at the same time.

[EPSkis]

Definitely. Alice In Chains & Soundgarden were my staples at the time..Still are, actually.

One of the girls that worked for me at the time was SO UPSET when we heard of his death that she literally broke down. Had to leave work. Freakin' nuts, was she.

Never really understood the Nirvana fascination m'self. Solid drives, but Kurt was a chop.

[AntiSoCalSkier]

I see a lot of people complaining that Nirvana shouldn't be lumped in with people like The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and The Rolling Stones. If Nirvana doesn't belong in that category, what are some bands from the 90's that do? (Pearl Jam has already been mentioned, and I would agree that they belong in that list). Name some bands, or admit that you're all a bunch of old farts who are still living in the past.

[Buster Highmen]

Prime:
Zappa
King Crimson
Tool
Pearl Jam

Considered:
Soundgarden
Stone Temple Pilots
REM
Alice In Chains
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Smashing Pumpkins
Primus/Claypool
Radiohead
Moby

Does that qualify me as both?

[Greydon Clark]

A little delayed, but skiing related...
I heard the news that old Kurt Cobain injected his head with bird shot while eating breakfast in the Motel 6 in South Lake Tahoe, my brother and I discussed the matter, made some disparaging remarks about Nirvana (they weren't "punk enough" for us) and concluded shooting yourself in the head is pretty fucked up (how insightful). I then turned my attention to soaking my toast with egg yoke. A few hours latter I was at Kirkwood for the first time and loving it's terrain. 10 years latter I still enjoy skiing at Kirkwood and Kurt Cobain is still dead.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Brought himself out of a sad, loser molested background in Aberdeen. More than most of you critics have even approached.

And therefore?

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
And therefore?

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do I __have__ to include one of those fucking smiley faces?

[The AD]

Blur, Catherine Wheel, The Auteurs, Radiohead, American Music Club, Guided by Voices, Red House Painters, Julian Cope.

Hey, I don't expect anyone to agree with me

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
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do I __have__ to include one of those fucking smiley faces?

You have made your feelings on the smileys abundantly clear.

[shmerham]

I'll admit that my assessment might not be fair as I wasn't in college when the Beatles hit Ed Sullivan, but rather in junior high when Nirvana came out. At this age it's hard to escape what's popular when you're riding to a dinky mountain on a bus with a bunch of other junior high kids. The majority (well majority of the girls, who are just learning about how they can get their way all the time) want the radio turned to the top 40's station. You haven't really been exposed to the whole tape trading and buying that takes place in high school, and you don't have a license to go see concerts. My only exposure to anything good was through my friend's brother.

In hindsight the irony of the situation is quite laughable. Before Nirvana came out, these stations "didn't play anything good", when they finally started playing Nirvana they were "selling them out".

[Game Over]

it is funny how un-edgucated this board is in music and rock history.

for a bunch of smart asses who jump on anything ignorant, you are leaving yourselves wide open.


rip kurdt

[Dexter Rutecki]

Enlighten us ignorant types (then tell us what happened to Kurdt).

[The Reverend Floater]

"Newer Bands" that belong with the greats, IMHO:

Pearl Jam
Guns N Roses
Metallica
Red Hot Chili Peppers
RunDMC
Black Crowes
SRV (might be considered old by some)
Talking Heads
Janes Addiction
The Police
Public Enemy


On the Bubble:

Alice In Chains (would make the greats on MY list)
Jay Z
Van Halen
Rush
Peter Gabriel
Tupac Shakur

[homerjay]

dude, Rush's first album was 1972 or 1974, can't remember.

[Schmear]

The critical argument behind elevating Nivana to "best in history" status seems to be that its sound (and Cobain's lyrics) marked a dramatic turning point in rock away from cheesy '80s pop melodies and hair bands.

So to you rock historians...is this a fair portrayal of Nirvana? Did it singlehandedly change rock forever?

[Dexter Rutecki]

Depends how you define 'change rock forever'. I look at music today and can't see what influence Nirvana has had on anyone (at least any of the bands I consider worth listening to).
Now look at the Beatles, to pick the most outsized example possible. Rock music would be radically different today, or would have changed at a relatively glacial pace, had it not been for the Beatles.