Lib Tech NAS Pow series - anyone skied em?

**Stikki** · 11-03-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by rip

[So Gunder, how about a hint on the next year's fatties. Please tell me they are 190+, have less sidecut, maybe some tip rocker? I would buy those in a heartbeat.

My guess is they are playing with Banana Tech on the NAS. If they keep the magnetraction the NAS will be like the Banana Skate, if they go pow specific it will probably be like the Banana Hammock.

I love the fact that Lib is always experimenting and trying stuff out, but I also hate that nothing stays the same. For example Gunder says he loves his 188's with the 98mm waist, that didn't even last one year as it's now 93mm. I guess it's that whole "Trust Mervin" thing.

**Gunder** · 11-03-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Stikki

My guess is they are playing with Banana Tech on the NAS. If they keep the magnetraction the NAS will be like the Banana Skate, if they go pow specific it will probably be like the Banana Hammock.

I love the fact that Lib is always experimenting and trying stuff out, but I also hate that nothing stays the same. For example Gunder says he loves his 188's with the 98mm waist, that didn't even last one year as it's now 93mm. I guess it's that whole "Trust Mervin" thing.

All that I can say is that magne traction is here to stay on the NAS.....

**sandflea** · 11-03-2007, 09:54 PM

I've just got a pair mounted up but haven't ridden them yet, waiting for a big dump. They are stiffer than I expected when flexing them.

**Gunder** · 11-04-2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stikki

I love the fact that Lib is always experimenting and trying stuff out, but I also hate that nothing stays the same. For example Gunder says he loves his 188's with the 98mm waist, that didn't even last one year as it's now 93mm. I guess it's that whole "Trust Mervin" thing.

Wrong!

I just measured a pair of the early production, last years production and this years production line. All have 98mm waist. The 93 measurement is if you measure off of the mount line wich has moved 1/2 back from the early production models to this years. Ski measurement off of the center bump is still 98mm.

FYI, My protos are at 33 1/2 inches from the tail, the early production was 33 1/4 inches from the tail, and the new production is 33inches from the tail. Note this is on the 188's..... I would advice mounting them 33inches from the tail, wich is where I have boot center on mine and that is the current spot on the production..... that also has a waist of 93mm at the boot center mark, while the true center point of the waist bump is a full 98mm. There will be 1~2 mm variation depending upon the number of passes on the edge sander at the factory, but out of the mold with one pass is a full 98mm.

Hope that helps...

**dookeyXXX** · 11-04-2007, 05:33 PM

okay, now i'm confused.

first i swear somebody said to have the boot center situated at the widest part of the ski (the 99mm hump). that's where the mount dimple is on my pair of 2006/2007 Parillos (and it's 33.5cm from the tail).

now you're saying mount 33cm from the tail in the "dip" that's 93mm?

so one would have your boot center at a "hump" and the widest part of the ski and another suggestion would have your boot center at a "dip" that's 6mm narrower.

i've never been steered wrong by the manufacturer line before, so i'll be copecetic if i go for the 99mm hump, right?

and that's funny that the new Mt. Baker's are still 99mm at the hump since the Lib-Tech site lists them as having a 93mm waist this season as opposed to listing them with a 99mm waist last season.

**Gunder** · 11-04-2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by dookey67

okay, now i'm confused.

first i swear somebody said to have the boot center situated at the widest part of the ski (the 99mm hump). that's where the mount dimple is on my pair of 2006/2007 Parillos (and it's 33.5cm from the tail).

now you're saying mount 33cm from the tail in the "dip" that's 93mm?

so one would have your boot center at a "hump" and the widest part of the ski and another suggestion would have your boot center at a "dip" that's 6mm narrower.

i've never been steered wrong by the manufacturer line before, so i'll be copecetic if i go for the 99mm hump, right?

and that's funny that the new Mt. Baker's are still 99mm at the hump since the Lib-Tech site lists them as having a 93mm waist this season as opposed to listing them with a 99mm waist last season.

Confusing? no shit! I measured every pair in the house and there is the above changes in the mounting point. Talked with the roomate today, and he said that they where playing around with the mounting point after the skis started into production and decided to move it back, thus the change in the mount dimple locations. My dimple is at 33 1/2 inches from the tail, but when I measured the distance to where the boot center actually is, it is at 33 inches from the tail.... same as on the new skis, and it is infact a bit back from being the center on the magne bump. He was saying that they did that to prevent the first bump from causing the ski to hang up in wind buff / crust etc.

**sandflea** · 11-04-2007, 08:00 PM

My pair of NAS pow's have the dent located 34 1/4 from the tail. I wound up mounting mine at 33 inches from the tail(just looked right to me)... I compared the mounting points from my other skis and moved it up a cm because of the side cut.

**dookeyXXX** · 11-04-2007, 10:08 PM

okay, so 33cm from tail, going once....going twice...?

final push on my end.

mine (2006 screaming pink Parillo Monkeys as pictured by another poster above) have the mounting dimple at 33 1/2 cm from the tail. It's right about center of a Magne hump.

from what i'm gathering (unless I'm misinterpreting Gunder and his Lib-Tech roomie's suggestions) I should bounce back .5cm to 33cm from the tail, which puts me at the downward slope of the Magne bump, no?

or is it really going to make that much difference?

last time i tweaked with a mounting point (on a pair of AR5's) it totally messed with the performance of the ski in myh opinion, thus causing me to more or less stay with the factory recommended line. Of course when the factory keeps tweaking that line...

**oftpiste** · 11-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Damn. Thought we had it all figured out.....

**oftpiste** · 11-20-2007, 06:12 PM

Bump for seeking any new beta? Jigs and clamps have arrived and I'm ready to drill.

Buehler?

**rip** · 11-20-2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by dookey67

okay, so 33cm from tail, going once....going twice...?

final push on my end.

mine (2006 screaming pink Parillo Monkeys as pictured by another poster above) have the mounting dimple at 33 1/2 cm from the tail. It's right about center of a Magne hump.

from what i'm gathering (unless I'm misinterpreting Gunder and his Lib-Tech roomie's suggestions) I should bounce back .5cm to 33cm from the tail, which puts me at the downward slope of the Magne bump, no?

or is it really going to make that much difference?

last time i tweaked with a mounting point (on a pair of AR5's) it totally messed with the performance of the ski in myh opinion, thus causing me to more or less stay with the factory recommended line. Of course when the factory keeps tweaking that line...

Dookey - I don't know if you have mounted them or not yet but I have the same model as you. Mine are mounted with boot center right over the dimple. This lines you up with the biggest of the Magne bumps. I thought it was forward as well from first impressions and it took me a little while to "trust the tip" in soft snow, but the tip on those skis is so goddamn big they float like crazy. I would go right on the dimple for sure.

This year I have new boots that are about 10mm smaller so I will see how they ski with the more forward position.

One more question from me to Gunder or anyone else touring on NAS, how did you cut the skins? Magnetraction skins or use something with a similar shape like the Pistols as a template ski?

**dookeyXXX** · 11-20-2007, 10:29 PM

Just picked up my Dukes today, so these Libbys'll get mounted within the month.

sadly I'm out of comission with a bum back until Doctor's further notices and the fact that we hain't got a lick of snow in T'Hoe yet, so it'll be a spell before i get to try the screaming monkeys out.

**sharcsplean** · 11-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Gunder - do you have any info on where to mount the boot center in for using tele bindings?

**hose-man** · 11-22-2007, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by sharcsplean

Gunder - do you have any info on where to mount the boot center in for using tele bindings?

I'd like to hear the answer to ^^^^ that too.

Some people are measuring in inches & others in cm.... Just be careful. Hopefully noone would mount at 33cm from the tail. Thats only 1 foot. Guess you'd have some serious float in the pow.

**Fluffracka** · 11-27-2007, 06:06 PM

So after reading through all the treads about the LibTech NAS and everything i could find on the LibTech site, Im getting really interested and have started to think that the POW might be the scandi-all-kind-of-untracked-snow ski ive been looking for. But theres a few things that Ive still has not found any info about. So if anyone could kindly fill in the blanks if you know I would be very thankful.

How high are the rear tip?
How much camber does they have?
Are they smearable, or does the magnatraction hinder that?

**Kied** · 11-27-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Fluffracka

How high are the rear tip?
How much camber does they have?
Are they smearable, or does the magnatraction hinder that?

Kind of an odd request, but as it happens I have mine right here..

Tails are about 4-4.5 cm high
Camber's around 6-7mm with Jesters mounted on them, when sitting flat.

I haven't actually skied them, so I can say how smearable they are, but they're pretty freakin stiff, so that might hinder. As far as the Magnetraction, the only negative I've heard is it makes switch a bit tricky. But then again, can't say w/o tryin'.

**Gunder** · 11-27-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by sharcsplean

Gunder - do you have any info on where to mount the boot center in for using tele bindings?

Well I would place the middle of your foot over the line on the ski. Mount the binder in the aproproate spot, then use 3 screwd to fix the heel in the correct spot..... um yah that should fix the problem on mounting them tele

J/k I have no idea on where to mount them for tele, as I am not a telewacker.

As for cutting skins. I cut them with "magne traction" not the easiet thing to acomplish.... but they look cool!

**Fluffracka** · 11-27-2007, 08:17 PM

Thanks Mike for that quick answer.

Now Im just have to check out if its possible to get the ski-economics togheter...

**yodaottis** · 12-17-2007, 08:13 AM

Now I have skied them.
NAS 188cm, last year's model. Mounted @ about a 1/4" back from the dimple (33" from tail I believe, thanks for the advice gunder)

Hardpack/icey conditions: They hold edge just fine, you can carve around like you're on 70mm skis.
Chopped up powder/crust: Blast right through it.
Powder: They have artificial intelligence to make you look and feel awesome.

Long story short, I have never been as excited to own a pair of skis as I am now having ridden these a couple days.
We could only make it to our local Mtn but the weather cooperated so I had all sorts of conditions to try them on this weekend. From hardpack to powder to crust and crud. Haven't had the chance to try them through moguls or at high speeds yet but still if you're on the line and not sure if you want these, you do.

**oftpiste** · 12-17-2007, 12:36 PM

+1

I've now got three days on my '06/'07 188 Parillos an a variety of conditions including trees, ice, hardpack, shallow freshies and they're a full-on blast. They inspire confidence and make me want to charge harder (which was kind of a goal for this season). Can't wait to get them out in something deeper.

Oh yeah, they're quite the conversation piece if you like that sort of thing.

**el hefe** · 12-18-2007, 05:53 PM

+2 amazing skis....... Had the pow series out at Kicking Horse for opening day, great in the deep and in the air. Held a edge fairly well for such a wide ski, even on the skating rink on the bottom 1/2 of the hill.

I have been using the freerides at Silver Star the past couple of days. Wow, these things haul ass and bust through anything with ease. Super turny and fun, good confidence booster's for going as fast as possible.

Def get a lot of looks and comments about them in the line up..........

**dookeyXXX** · 12-22-2007, 10:37 PM

still staring at mine leaning up against the book shelf.

slow season start + bum back (PT put me on hold until 1/11, though i probably should be doing my assigned stretches to speed things up...)

waiting to get 'em mounted with Dukes.

so, I've measured and read all the advice. my dimple is at 33 1/2 from the tail.

moving it back 1/4" doesn't put it in the dip of the wave, but just this side of the top of the bell.

is that 1/4-1/2" gonna make a world of difference?

**Sponge McBragg** · 12-22-2007, 11:28 PM

I knew skiers were gonna enjoy those, with descriptions like those above proving that broknormus technology rulz.

I wonder who is gonna do the magnatraction copy in the industry? Its gotta be in the works.

I always buy the last seaons models so Im waiting till next season for mtx.

**oftpiste** · 12-23-2007, 07:19 PM

I think the magne traction adds some interest to the ski and probably does help it do a couple of fairly specific things better, but I suspect that this would be a pretty great ski (for me anyway) even without the magne traction. The combination of burly construction, shape and length just work great.