running maggots (obviously NSR)

[powslut]

need some advice for buying some new shoes. i tend to run about 30-40km/ week on both trail and road, but as summer approaches it will become mostly trail. what do you run on?

[powstash]

Montrail Vitesse (sp?). I'm on my second pair and love them. Sturdy, bomber sole, and breathe well despite the looks that they'll be warm.

I've also run in the Salomon XA Pro, which now have more of a running shoe (thanks to Addidas) feel but will hold up well. A bit lighter than the Montrail.

In the summer I run only trail and log 25-50 miles a week.

[Bill L. Zeebub]

I would agree with Viva. Find a road shoe that you like which supports your foot correctly and hit the trails with it.

I too am partial to the Asics "20" series which I think is now up to the 2090. Nice shoe, not too expensive.

My only complaint with the Vitesse is the weight and toe box. I get the feeling that I am running with hiking boots when I wear the Montrails. If you are thinking of running Leadville, Wasatch or Hardrock, then I can see the need for a burly shoe on the extremely rock trails. However, if you are just running on nice trails in your local park, you do not need all the extra toe protection. In theory, you need "less" of a shoe because the stress on your legs will be reduced off-pavement. As an example, there is this crusty old coot who runs alot of the ultras on the East Coast and he runs the races in racing flats. Trails are less stressful on the legs is his mantra.

As an aside, I believe the Leona Divide is named after the Leona Divide 50 mile run.

[Mountainman]

Originally posted by powstash
Montrail Vitesse (sp?)

Longest lasting trail shoe i've ever worn.

[powstash]

Originally posted by Bill L. Zeebub
My only complaint with the Vitesse is the weight and toe box. I get the feeling that I am running with hiking boots when I wear the Montrails. If you are thinking of running Leadville, Wasatch or Hardrock, then I can see the need for a burly shoe on the extremely rock trails. However, if you are just running on nice trails in your local park, you do not need all the extra toe protection.

Yea, I guess I didn't say that I use these shoes because most of the trails I run on are hiking or mountain biking trails, not your central park "trail running" types. I'm not into running the super long races, but a trail marathon a year and some 15 milers have been my distances

[dipstik]

Originally posted by Viva
It depends on your foot/ leg anatomy. Do you overpronate or over supinate (the latter is rare). Do you need extra cushion or support?

dude they're just frickin sneakers!

[Bill L. Zeebub]

Viva,

Have you ever run the Cascade Crest 100? A friend is thinking about it this year and is trying to gather some info. I hear it is a difficult run, but the organizers sound like they are top notch and the views are supposedly spectacular.

Sorry about the hijack.

[powslut]

thanks for the info everyone. I am running on a pair of Saucony Jazz right now with probably 800+km on them. the wear pattern on both shoes is centered on the outside of the shoe from the heel to the toe. no current or past running specific injuries, though i do suffer shin problems mostly related to my ski boots.

the trails i will be running on will range everywhere from well groomed walking trails to burly alpine trails with slick rock/ scree as well as Mountain Bike Trails.

[random]

I'm a big fan of new balance. If you have the bling, get some orthotics. I messed up both my knees over training in my track days, and they have allowed me to run again, without shoes made for "fat people". Orthotics are kind of expensive, but so worth it... I've had mine for 3 years now, and they're still in wicked awsome shape.

[watersnowdirt]

I've been on Asics for years, and have like them, though the new model "Gel Trabuco" were literally a different shoe than the ones I'd gotten just two years earlier. Though they were great on trails, sand,etc.

Also, the width of your feet willl make a fair amount of difference. I happen to have somewhat wide feet, so shoes like Nikes are out, where as New Balance were always good.

[Blurred Elevens]

Run Forest, RUN!!!

[L7]

Powslut, go down to Ultimate they just pulled the shoes out and are on the 'try to pay debts and not go under firesale'. I agree from the shoe wear that it sounds like you supinate and the jazz is a good shoe for you. Saucony makes a couple of good trail shoes (eagle trail) but I think they offer some slight support at the heel and just the higher one has the advanced forefoot cushioning. The trabucco is an all new shoe and Asics has a couple of other new trail shoes including a trail version of the hurricane. Again this has some rear foot support. The Asics has a tighter toe box so if you have square toes you might stay with saucony. I can help you out with a stride assessment being as none of the clowns left in Ultimate will have a clue. The orthotic is not a big deal for you if you do supinate especially since it sounds like you don't come to neutral through mid stride (judging from you shoe wear).

[char]

Nike + Shoe Goo is a winning combo, trust me.

[snow_slider]

For trail running shoes - another vote for the Salomon XA Pro, Great support, and Gore-tex XCR. I'm not sold on the single pull laces though.

[Arnold Babar]

Originally posted by Viva
It sounds like you oversupinate, but no led length discrepancy. Put the shoes on a flat surface, do they tilt outward? Any front to back tilting? Also, do you have high arches?

If this is so, then the Jazz is a good shoe for you. Saucony likes to make their shoes cushiony. I say get a new pair of these and also consider a pair of Saucony trail shoes that share the same last. Many companies use, essentially, the same shoe for both a road line and a trail line, they just change the outsole. sometimes there's barely a difference between the two, so watch out for that. Trail shoes are nice when it's muddy and/or slippy.

No, never been on the Cascade Crest course. I almost entered it in 2001, the last year I raced. I'll see about digging up some info. They have a web site.

Just made the move to Saucony (Hurricane). Very cusiony, light, stable but as I put in more miles I'm having some hip/back issues. Not sure if it's the shoes. Some Mayan Mexicans are gonna run by me barefoot any way...maybe we should all go that route.

[Cornholio]

Any good running store should have some guy who can look at your feet and your old shoes and give you some good reccomendations-- it's like getting ski boots fit, sort of. When you go get new shoes, bring your old ones.

I just got me Asics' new Gel Landreth, which I bought on reccomendation from one of these guys. It's so much better for my knees and shins than what I had before, it's amazing.

[jdabasin]

Originally posted by powslut
need some advice for buying some new shoes. i tend to run about 30-40km/ week on both trail and road, but as summer approaches it will become mostly trail. what do you run on?

how far is 30-40 km?? apparently you're running in Canada. I suggest the North Face X2's (i think?) which I've had for 5 months now. I log ~30 miles/week and these are great trail shoes. I'm 190lbs and these pups are still in fine shape, haven't fallen apart, and give great support. But it's probably time to get another pair...

[rightcoast]

I got some Asics AHAR about 3 months ago, about 200 miles on them, and i love them. no problems thus far.

[AK G-Dog]

Maybe we should get a running forum going?

Back before the knee injury I used to run a lot. I broke down and went to a running store (Skinny Raven in Anchorage) for a pair of shoes. Holy crap do these guys know their stuff. They took one look at my foot and knew I was in the wrong shoes. They got me into some Saucony (based on my foot construction, over pronation, weight, and privious ankle injuries) and it made such a difference. I was able to run longer and faster with no pain. I asked about trail specific shoes (which they sold) and they said plain running shoes are just as good. On muddy days they said they just wear an older pair. I thought that was crazy at first. I watched the Mt Marathon race that year and sure enough most people were just in plain running shoes. That is no easy "trail" either. Over 3000 vert feet of rocks, roots, and scree, straight up and straight back down. I figure if running shoes were good enough for them, they are more then good enough for me.

Moral of the story, see a running specialist for new shoes. You may find the greatest shoe in the world, but if it does not fit "you" it is worthless. Remember there is a lot more to proper fit then just size. Kinda like ski boots.

[acostiga]

Originally posted by AK G-Dog


Moral of the story, see a running specialist for new shoes.

so, so true. found this out the hard way after my parents offered to buy me a pair of expensive nikes for a birthday present - since then i've been sticking with the new balances.

[jayfrizzo]

Viva,

I checked out http://www.seattlerunningcompany.com. Pretty good site.

Question: What's the difference between Stability and Motion Control?

I run in the Brooks Beast. It seemed like the widest, most supportive, cushony shoe I could find at the time.


J-

[Rusty Nails]

I wear New Balance 991s everywhere. I buy a new pair every 3-4 months. I run about 25 miles/week now, but have run LD races in the past. I use them for my regular morning runs (about 5 miles average 5 days a week) and for anything else I do (hiking, biking, climbing Mt. Ranier). I can't imagine wearing another running shoe.

[powstash]

Originally posted by Rusty Nails
I wear New Balance 991s everywhere. (climbing Mt. Ranier). I can't imagine wearing another running shoe.

Rusty, how you doin'? Long time no see around these parts.

This reminded me of how I wore crampons on my montrails last year for an approach on the Grand Teton. (Petzolt Ridge)

[Rusty Nails]

Powstash,

My current job prevents frequent posting, but I've enjoyed several maggot ski days in WA this year with BH, rehabit/tibaher, Joshbu, etc... and even met your friend Squirrel99. Everyone was giving me a hard time last summer when a maggot group skied the interglacier on Ranier and Dege Peak and I wore my shoes both times. I'll go anywhere in those things. Hope things are going well for ya down there in SLC. If you head up to the PNW this summer, lemme know. Now, off to Baker for the weekend...

Rusty

[ak_powder_monkey]

what people have more then one pair of shoes?