Sopranos?

[Benny Profane]

ummm...you know...the premise of the show is all about a mobster who has panic attacks and has to go to a ....SHRINK! paging Dr Freud, paging Dr. Freud, please report to customer service.

I wanted to see much more of the asian call girl.

[Game Over]

some weird fucking dream shit four shore.

[tywhy]

i was expecting a great episode tonight and then we get that shit. interesting, but not what i wanted to see. guess i'll just have to wait for next week.

[acostiga]

Originally posted by tywhy
i was expecting a great episode tonight and then we get that shit. interesting, but not what i wanted to see. guess i'll just have to wait for next week.

don't wait until next week, go to blockbuster asap and rent an old gangster flick if you're looking for mindless, cliche-heavy violence.

[tuffy109]

Originally posted by yogachik
Will Tony be killed? Will Tony kill the other Tony? Looks like hell is about to break loose.

i think Sack's going down.

[yogachik]

Originally posted by tuffy109
i think Sack's going down.

I hear it's Silvio - not blood, but close enough to hurt Tony.

from another board, a good post:

Ok, I understand why Angelo got hit (revenge for the Joe Peeps hit) BUT-every new person we met this season has been killed off, with the exception of Franki Valli. Silvio has been in the background and Paulie hasn't done much either, although there was lots of foreshadowing last year that he may switch alliances. Anyhoo, here is something from the hbo boards I thought was a hoot. Feel free to play along:

i thought this was a great post from Gen Con...

sd882001 - 5/16/04 11:46PM PDT (1602 of 1622)
Episode 62: A Christmas Carol
The episode's dream sequence is structured in the framework of Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". To spare a lengthy entry, I will assume readers understand the premise of ACC. A snippet of an old version of ACC is actually shown inthe episode.

Scrooge (Tony Soprano) is a "avaricious, misanthropic and heartless". After he is visited by the ghost of his former business partner, Marley, he sees visions of his past, present and future that inspire him.

Tony is visited by a former business partner, Carmine, and just as the spectres in the Dickens classic point with an extended arm instructing Scrooge to advance station to station; from past to present, present to future, so do the characters in Tony's dream sequence.

Past: Car ride with former dead associates. This stage of the dream sequence ends with Tony's old flame, sitting in Melfi's chair, omnipotently extends an arm and points to the TV for Tony to advance to the next stage.

Present: Attending the dinner with Carmela celebrating Meadows engagement...it's in this scene that we see the snippet of ACC. This stage ends with Artie telling Tony he has to advance to the future.

Future: Tony S has a premonition of what Tony B will do. A "mob" chasing him down to kill him is what will ensue in his future if Tony does not change his ways/kill Tony B as he was supposed in the dream. Tony learns his lessons just like Scrooge.

My take on the dream sequence running for the entire episode is Tony S asking Carmela if it's light where she is...he would not ask this question awake since the Soprano residence is a short ride away from the Plaza. It's Tony wondering if Carmela is ready to reconcile and move on...he asks the question again as the screen goes black and the episode ends. Along the same lines, in the real Soprano world, Tony B has not attempted to kill anyone yet. Tony S fell asleep worried/concerned Tony B may do something and it manifests in his dream. Chris reporting to Tony at the end is part of the dream.

I'm confident I'm onto sonething with the ACC reference and framework being applied, but I know there are many questions this theory creates...I need to think about it a little more....

Sorry for the lengthy post...my first and I hope it generates some discussion...

Later

[tuffy109]

if you're going to do a spoiler alert, PLEASE leave some fucking space between "spoiler alert" and what you're ruining.

[Aldo]

That was one of the best I've seen.
Phil Leotardo bleeding on the ground "Excuse, me how long do I have to stay like this?"

And the -cough- hot mistress....

"I'll take care of everything, medical bills, wig, whatever.."

[tuffy109]

Originally posted by Aldo

Phil Leotardo bleeding on the ground "Excuse, me how long do I have to stay like this?"

"what do i have to count to before i can get back up?"

that part was great.

[yogachik]

Originally posted by tuffy109
if you're going to do a spoiler alert, PLEASE leave some fucking space between "spoiler alert" and what you're ruining.

I didn't do a spoiler alert because I don't believe rumors I read on the internet - I may *hear* it's Silvio, but there's no basis in fact for it. Every "spoiler alert" I read based on rumor turns out to be false. I think it's just more conjecture. But I do like that guy's analysis of last night's episode...

[tuffy109]

too wordy and too analytical for me.

people should let lynch-style stuff be as it is and just go with it. film/tv nerds are the worst.

[yogachik]

Originally posted by tuffy109
film/tv nerds are the worst.

hey - I'm one of 'em

[tuffy109]

you think i can't remember things for more than a week?

[Benny Profane]

How long has Frankie Valli been around? I just saw the coming attractions, and saw him in next week's.
God, it's cool to be born and raised in Jersey.

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/0325/2950162_120X90.jpg

[Anxious Mo-Fo]

Good grief... here comes the NY Times analysis:

Analyze This: Tony Soprano Had a Dream. A Long One.

By Julie Salamon

Yesterday morning before seeing patients, Dr. Glen O. Gabbard, a Houston psychiatrist, checked his e-mail. He found several urgent messages from colleagues, all with the same questions: "What did you think of the dream? How did you analyze the dream?"

The patient had been a fascinating case study for years, but lately the doctors had found him a little boring. On Sunday night, though, Tony Soprano came through for them again. He delivered the longest dream anyone could remember on television, lasting almost 21 minutes, with psychological significance and pop cultural references ladled on like hot fudge onto a shrink sundae of guilt, remorse, fear and retribution. Whipped cream, too: Annette Bening (Warren Beatty's wife and co-star in "Bugsy," the gangster movie), playing herself.

What could be yummier?

"The dream had a level of depth and complexity that you almost never see on television," said Dr. Gabbard, a professor of psychiatry at Baylor College of Medicine. "The dream has the psychological sophistication of someone who's been in therapy for years and who knows what therapy is about."

That someone is the series creator, David Chase. "The major theme in the dream is Tony's impotence to do what he has to do," Dr. Gabbard said, taking time between patients to reflect on his favorite subject in a telephone interview. "Again and again he reaches for his gun, and it's not there. When he tries to use the gun it won't fire and the bullets crumble.

"His high school coach even makes some reference to the gun as a phallic symbol. There is this recurring theme that he is a castrated impotent man who is not up to the task of retaliation. Once again you see the Shakespearean theme that David Chase is so fond of."

The dream came as a relief to Dr. Gabbard, who had been finding the season until Sunday night to be hit and miss. "The actions of the characters have not always grown out of the psychology of the characters," he said. "The great example is when Steve Buscemi decides to beat up the Korean-American dry cleaner guy who's basically his savior. It doesn't seem psychologically motivated by what's going on, but rather a plot device thought up by a writer."

Dr. Gabbard's interest goes well beyond water-cooler stakes. He has bared his obsession for the world to see. He published a book called "The Psychology of `The Sopranos' " (Basic Books, 2002), and for two years he took part in a weekly discussion of the series on Slate.

Not everyone was so enchanted by Tony's dream and its multitude of movie references indicating that a big showdown lay ahead. Noelle Hannon, a Manhattan psychologist, said she was glad when the sequence began because she had become disenchanted with the show.

"The humor allowing you to distance yourself from it is gone," she said. "Now it's just heavy and dark and watching it isn't as much fun."

She was heartened by the dream sequence only to be disappointed. "I started interpreting the dream because I love to do that, and then it just went on and on," she said. "I said to my husband: `This dream is going on too long. Who cares?' "

Not Dr. Hannon. She stopped watching long before the dream sequence ended, she said.

Postings on the official Sopranos Web site (www.hbo.com/sopranos/) were mixed. And on Brainwash, an online magazine devoted to the conservative and libertarian view, a disappointed fan, originally from Newark and now living in Florida, wrote that Sunday night's episode convinced him that the show needed a jolt, and that he was writing a script for it.

"All I can tell you is that there will not be any ridiculous returning dreams sequences from high school, no teacher conferences at Anthony's school, and not so much of Carmela either," he wrote. "The public don't care about that junk. They want to see mob business, not Tony arguing with Carmela about how she cannot afford to keep the pool filter running. At this point I have decided to contact the writers or David Chase or whoever is necessary to give this show the adrenaline shot in the heart it so desperately needs to live."

Dr. Gabbard said he understood. "One of the appeals of the show is the way it works on so many different levels," he said. "It's appreciated by people who just like blood and guts and by people who like the complexity of the dream."

[tywhy]

this is going back to last weeks episode, but i was wondering if anyone else got a kick out of it when they essentially compared the Bush administration to the mob. i thought that was hilarious. i think the line was: "they(the admin.) were too busy handing out non-competitive contracts to their friends." and then Paulie (i think) replied "yeah, that's something we can relate too"

[tuffy109]

i loved the end when tony broke Janice into pieces over her son.

[yogachik]

Well, it wasn't Silvio...

[iceman]

Tony v. Johnny Sack.

Should be interesting.

[Anxious Mo-Fo]

Finally... a proper episode. Glad to see they found a cure for Ad's irritable bowel syndrome.

[CaddyDaddy77]

That was a long time coming. I liked the part about how they lead up to the whole thing, Chrissy being hurt, etc.


Next episode shoulf be great, shit's going to hit the fan.

[truth]

Originally posted by Anxious Mo-Fo
Finally... a proper episode. Glad to see they found a cure for Ad's irritable bowel syndrome.

Agreed, she should ahve been dealt with ages ago, that story was played out. That said, I'll miss that ass.

[13]

Just goes to show Chrissy has earned his spot alongside Tony.

[xboat]

great episode. a couple good quotes -


"Where the fuck you been? " - Tony

"Highway was jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive. " - Christopher




"Anything on Tony B.? " - Christopher

"Nah, he's still on the milk carton " - Silvio

[CaddyDaddy77]

Question of the week,

Who all will get whacked next week?

I definitely see Tony B, getting hit, but think that he may take down Phil Leotardo with him maybe more if he goes ape-shit, which I think he's bound to do.

Chrissy should get some more power, the gambling hall, etc passed to him, assuming he doesn't get back into the H.