Speaking of Fat People: The National Association to Advance FAT Acceptance(NAAFA).

[Trackhead]

If a GLP-1 gets someone with a BMI of 45 down to 35, rest assured their ability to ambulate/exercise will improve. Benny is right.

Think of a GLP-1 like an e-bike. E-bikes are great for a lot of people who wouldn’t otherwise get any exercise. Elitism is bullshit.

[jono]

If a GLP-1 gets someone with a BMI of 45 down to 35, rest assured their ability to ambulate/exercise will improve.

There it is. Rapid weight loss feels like de-aging. Makes any fun cardio more fun.

[Mudfoot]

I’ve seen it occur in many people with my own eyes.

But go ahead fill us in on what you’ve seen

Studies show that 80 - 90% of people who lose weight on a diet gain it back, which would appear to prove that losing weight does not motivate people to change there lifestyle to stay thinner, and people who did it with drugs have even less invested in the process.

[wkd-rdr]

Interesting article regarding the relationship of exercise and weight loss. Apparently the formula of calories gained minus calories burned equals weight gain/loss doesn't necessarily hold true. The gist of the article is that with an added exercise, the body adapts and utilizes energy used/wasted on other functions in order to support the body functions required for the activity hence, no weight loss.

Sorry for the late edit, got hauled off for Thanksgiving.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/welln...153013abaaa4f1

Resistance training >> cardio.
Muscle eats fat at rest.

[Cisco Kid]

Ask Santa for a "Jump to Conclusions" game.

1- Weight loss achievements through changes in lifestyle (better food/more exercise) are NOT universal. My observation is that it does not work for many.

2- I'll pull a number from my butt and opine that 50% of the population does not have the time or money to exercise and eat healthy, unprocessed foods.

[m2711c]

Studies show that 80 - 90% of people who lose weight on a diet gain it back, which would appear to prove that losing weight does not motivate people to change there lifestyle to stay thinner, and people who did it with drugs have even less invested in the process.

this isn't a diet. read more.

[neufox47]

Man, few threads on TGR are a worse look for the maggots than this one.

Science - trying to change diet and exercise only works on long time frames 3-5% of the time.

Maggots - hey fatty exercise and diet your way to a healthy weight and quit looking for a crutch like this drug that is more effective at facilitating weight loss than anything else ever.

Anecdotally the 4-5 people I know who have taken it all lost significant amounts of weight and have kept most of it off, dramatically reduced alcohol consumption, and dramatically improved their diets. It’s a lot easier to order a salad if you know you’ll be full after eating it than if you know you’ll be hungry.

Two of them lost 100 lbs in about a year. One started to gain weight back after going off so he went back on for 3 months and has now been much more successful keeping it off (many studies have shown the bodies propensity to change back to your last stable weight, but if you can maintain it for about a year it gets much easier.


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[Viva]

I'll pull a number from my butt...

[The AD]

Maggots - hey fatty exercise and diet your way to a healthy weight and quit looking for a crutch like this drug that is more effective at facilitating weight loss than anything else ever.

I don't think anyone is actually saying that. Personally I think these drugs are a great thing if they can help people lose weight and lessen diabetes risk, but I also realize that if so many people need to take a drug to achieve this there's some larger problem that needs to be addressed. I can't believe everyone taking Ozempic is the solution to the obesity epidemic. It seems like this is a discussion adults should be able to have without people accusing others of "fat shaming."

[Mudfoot]

My point was not about the how but the why. Regardless of whether you lose weight by diet or drug, it does not change the psychology. Does a long time fat person who experiences a substantial life changing weight loss become motivated to completely and permanently change their eating and exercise habits, some do but the odds are against it.

I do not believe that attempting to solve the nation's obesity epidemic with regular use of drugs that temporarily change your body's functions will be successful or lead to overall better health in the long run. I understand that your opinion may be different.

Ozempic and related drugs are designed to make you feel full and react badly to shitty foods so that you eat less. You are what you eat and it is simple arithmetic. You cannot eat more calories than you burn off so the only really healthy way lose to weight is to simply eat less. If you cannot do that without drugs you've got head problems as well as physical ones. The majority of people in this country are obese and we are on the cusp of putting them all on drugs. While we are at it why don't we approve Ozempic for fat kids too, we certainly have plenty of those. No doubt big pharma will determine it will be no problem.

[Cisco Kid]

Well, there you go. End of thread. A man on an ebike trike told me he lost 100lbs over 2 years by pedaling the thing. Got him off the couch, away from addictive comfort foods and exercising.

Probably right for 40-60 % of people if they have the time and most don't.

% of Americans with mobility disability

18 to 49 years: 4.0% report some mobility difficulty
50 to 69 years: 15.4% report some mobility difficulty
75 years and older: 30% have an ambulatory disability, which affects mobility disability.

Look, I wish unicorns farted cotton candy and people could eat right and get some exercise too. But the reality pops up.

I think posting your stats would be helpful. 5'9 145lbs myself. If you are or were 5'9" and 250lbs I'd listen.

[XXX-er]

Well, there you go. End of thread. A man on an ebike trike told me he lost 100lbs over 2 years by pedaling the thing. Got him off the couch, away from addictive comfort foods and exercising.

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its real ^^ ride an e-bike up hill for 40minutes, on an acoustic bike it wouldn't have been fun but on the e-bike ididn't have to stop, I was zone 2 in the FAT burning zone, I hadn't been sub 160 in years till I got on the e-bike and it's fun but of course I was still the anti-christ

[dan_pdx]

Lifelong retrogrouch and acoustic biker, but rented e-bikes with my wife on a free day in the Dolomites and had a blast topping out at one of the ski resorts. Could I have done that on an acoustic bike? I think so, but it would have been an all-day suffer fest, and my wife definitely wouldn't have joined me. On e-bikes we both had fun and it give us an opportunity to see some terrain away otherwise wouldn't have seen. Not necessarily going to buy one for myself, but I definitely see the utility in the right time and place

[XXX-er]

Acoustically you would probably stop a bunch and be way higher than zone 2

instead you probably had more fun while burning more fat on the e-bike

just don't start riding white sox with yer sandals while smoking a dart

[Trackhead]

Bought E-bikes for my wife and 13yr. old, I have no motor. We ride a shit ton of long mountain rides now we'd never do before. They kick my ass, I try harder, and we all have fun.

When my knees completely fail, I'm getting one, too.

[bennymac]

It takes on average something like 5 to 7 attempts at quitting smoking before successful.

Yet TGR epidemiologists are in here saying “hey most people that lose weight through some sort of change - they then gain it all back - so therefore that original stimulus didn’t do shit”

[ötzi]

...if so many people need to take a drug to achieve this there's some larger problem that needs to be addressed. I can't believe everyone taking Ozempic is the solution to the obesity epidemic

The larger problem is the food and drinks that people have become hooked on, in part because they were in many cases scientifically designed to hook them. The bright side is that these companies are going to take it on the chin in Ozempic Nation. Short Nabisco and Kraft.

[Trackhead]

The larger problem is the food and drinks that people have become hooked on, in part because they were in many cases scientifically designed to hook them. The bright side is that these companies are going to take it on the chin in Ozempic Nation. Short Nabisco and Kraft.

Naloxone has interesting effects in studies in binge eating. There’s so many biochemical things at play that make hedonistic food reward super interesting.

[XXX-er]

It takes on average something like 5 to 7 attempts at quitting smoking before successful.

Yet TGR epidemiologists are in here saying “hey most people that lose weight through some sort of change - they then gain it all back - so therefore that original stimulus didn’t do shit”

well i think its got to be the L word a Lifestyle change not just a diet

diet is by definition what any animal or human eats,

not something they go on to look ok enough to join the health club

[Cisco Kid]

I don't discount, and have always suspected that the chemical crap we allow in our food to make it more salable can have an impact on how some people metabolize their intake. Junior could very well be onto something but a man admittedly with worms in his brain is gonna make a poor salesman and worse official word purveyor.

[bennymac]

Yeah there are thousands of qualified people who also think HFCS and ultra processed foods are unhealthy.

But instead it’s a despicable (truly - read up on his personal life - the guy has blood on his hands - whale, bear, and human) moron in that role.

And people are championing him because he might get McDonalds to switch from frying in seed oils over to beef tallow. That’s the solution? That’s where limited resources should be directed?

Why not start with the thousand other more important priorities before addressing McDonalds french fries.

[Viva]

There’s so many biochemical things at play that make hedonistic food reward super interesting.

This isn't necesscelerly for you, Trackhead, as I assume that you're familiar such reviews, but for those of you seeking to gain a bit more clarity with respect to the notion of food addiction.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5946262/

[Trackhead]

This isn't necesscelerly for you, Trackhead, as I assume that you're familiar such reviews, but for those of you seeking to gain a bit more clarity with respect to the notion of food addiction.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5946262/

Food is an anti-depressant for me, particularly fistfuls of chocolate chips. I’m the only asshole ever capable of gaining weight during my six mos of chemo a couple years ago. Food felt good. It feels good to a lot of people.

[Viva]

particularly fistfuls of chocolate chips.

My old buddy, Dave, went on an M & M diet and lost a lot of weight. Or so he said- I hadn't met him yet.

Dave would go on to win the inaugural (Modern) Trans-America Footrace in 92 or 93.

[Buzzworthy]

There’s nothing weird in our food at all. I’m 5’9 and my wife is 5’5 and our kid is now a bit over 6’. Everything is fine.