protecting the troops? yeah right

[natty dread]

Thanks Jumper for pointing out what ought to be painfully obvious. My respect also to rotorhead and pogue for risking their lives in service to our country.

Keep spewing Hurricaine, I always find your vitriolic ignorance pretty amusing!

[Hurricane]

Thanks Jumper for pointing out what ought to be painfully obvious. My respect also to rotorhead and pogue for risking their lives in service to our country.

Keep spewing Hurricaine, I always find your vitriolic ignorance pretty amusing!

Quit saying you "support the troops".

That's the dumbest fucking load of shit that keeps being brought up.

Support them in their cause and their mission. Once you do that, you can say you support the troops.
Is my "vitriolicness" offending little Natty? Quit posting left wing agenda garbage, douchebag.


Jumper, we went there after WMDs. We spent a couple of months to do it, which was more than enough time for the WMDs to be shipped elsewhere.
Saddam financially supported Palestinian suicide bombing attacks against the Israelis, which is what 9-11 was all about. Our funding of Israel.
Like I said, you've gotta read between the lines, which the left dumbfucks clearly can't do. (they'd rather bring their own country to it's knees)

[natty dread]

Oh, this is getting fun!

Quit saying you "support the troops".)

I support the troops.

Is my "vitriolicness" offending little Natty? Quit posting left wing agenda garbage, douchebag.)

No, I said I found it amusing.
I'll post whatever I want, as you will.

Jumper, we went there after WMDs. We spent a couple of months to do it, which was more than enough time for the WMDs to be shipped elsewhere.

Hahaha riiiiight.

(they'd rather bring their own country to it's knees)

No, I'd rather protect our troops from this incompetent, lying administration.

[DBdude]

The article is fundamentally flawed because if the Pentagon really got serious and replaced all Humvees on a one-for-one basis, the next thing heard would be all the crying about all the fraud and waste and abuse going on in the DoD and how they're in bed with the defense industry replacing vehicles that are perfectly functional and how the MRAP is a cold-war leftover and is massively overkill and this is such a boondoggle...

yeah, that'd be pretty much an exact quote.

On the flip side, we could do more to produce the MRAPs. The factory that produces them is cranking them out at capacity; what needs to be done is more license production of a product (like was done in WWII) by other contractors, and to massively activate all of the Reserves and Guard in heavy airlift and get the vehicles over there ASAP, instead of de-mobilizing the units that are available (like mine) because money's getting tight thanks to the Iraq funding bill squabbles. To the DoD's credit they are flying the vehicles over as they can, instead of letting them collect at depots to go out in big, efficient shipments by boat; problem is they weigh so damned much we can only carry 2 or 3 at a time (they're in excess of 35,000 lbs apiece).

The military's been doing far more with far less, at their own peril, for a long time now.

all very true

[freshie247]

Is everything GW's fault? NO ,but lets see,what's been going down in groove town.1st prez to not veto a single bill in the 1st term & 1/2 of the 2nd.The only bill that has been vetoed is Stem Cell Research.1st Prez to take a 5 Trillion dollar surplus & turn into a 5 trillion dollar deficit in a couple of years.1st Prez to have a war & tax cuts at the same time.The illegal wiretapping of citizens.150 dumbasses from Pat Roberts U are running our government.Monica Goodling is 33 years old,has no law experience, & graduated from a 4th tier (the lowest there is)law school,namely the one above ,& IS THE 3RD MOST POWERFUL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL IN OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!! Why did 11 Billion go missing in Iraq,becase ferverent religious dip sh*ts were put in charge of money that had no business or economic background or experience. They were simply hired because of their religious beliefs.

There are repair depots filled with vehicles as far as the eye can see that are back logged because of lack of money. The Dragonteeth armor being called inferior because of Military leaders wanting to work for contractors of rival systems after their service is up. The firing of any officer in the Brass that disagrees with Rumy. I can't beleive somebody actually stuck up for that *sshole! The cherry picking of info for the Iraq war. AL Queda in Iraq my *ss! Sadaam & Iraq were SECULAR & hated Islamic movements.GW put Al Queda in Iraq.The awarding of Dickless Cheney's company to no bid contracts.Lets not forget that Rumy,Cheney & the lot were Saddam's buddies during the Reagan Admin & gave him WMD's ,weapons, intel & billions of dollars the form of "agriculture" loans through the Bank Nationale of Italy because he was fighting the Iranians whom these Reaganites also sold arms to illegally!The list is endless.

I'm sorry to disagree with some, but the reality is that he is the worst prez in the history of our country,PERIOD!!! GW is the one that has brought this country down ,& even though I didn't vote for him,ALL Americans are guilty of letting this happen to our country.

[Jumper Bones]

Thanks Jumper for pointing out what ought to be painfully obvious.

I know, I know, but it was for Hurricane's benefit. Which is why it addressed him...

[Jumper Bones]

AL Queda in Iraq my *ss! Sadaam & Iraq were SECULAR & hated Islamic movements.GW put Al Queda in Iraq.

Then how do you explain Ansar-al-Islam and Zarqawi being present in Iraq with the Iraqi gov't's blessing?

I don't think ANYBODY in that neighborhood is really 'secular', just some are less fervent that others.

Were it not for the invasion, Al Qaeda would still be plenty active in Southwest Asia.






Good point about Monica Goodling. Yeah, I thought she looked a little young...

[Jer]

Quit saying you "support the troops".

That's the dumbest fucking load of shit that keeps being brought up.

Support them in their cause and their mission. Once you do that, you can say you support the troops.
Is my "vitriolicness" offending little Natty? Quit posting left wing agenda garbage, douchebag.


Jumper, we went there after WMDs. We spent a couple of months to do it, which was more than enough time for the WMDs to be shipped elsewhere.
Saddam financially supported Palestinian suicide bombing attacks against the Israelis, which is what 9-11 was all about. Our funding of Israel.
Like I said, you've gotta read between the lines, which the left dumbfucks clearly can't do. (they'd rather bring their own country to it's knees)

Hurricane - you really gotta learn the finer points of debate. Your posts are ok, I suppose, but I think "Natty - you're the gayest douchebag on TGR - and that says a lot!" would be far more effective.

[L7]

Quit saying you "support the troops".

That's the dumbest fucking load of shit that keeps being brought up.

Support them in their cause and their mission. Once you do that, you can say you support the troops.

Supporting the cause and mission would only be supporting the administration that decided their cause and mission. It's not like the troops sat down and decided what to do and how. By extension if the Shrub decided to invade Mexico or Switzerland or China once the troops were there everyone would have to support 'the cause and mission' because the troops are there and that's how you support the troops even if you are only supporting young people to their graves in a war that is and will go no where. How about supporting a cause and mission because it was justified and right like Afghanistan not like Iraq which was based on lies and had very little in the way of planning.

Can you even reason your way out of a parking spot you fucking moron?

Is my "vitriolicness" offending little Natty? Quit posting left wing agenda garbage, douchebag.

How about you stop posting the right wing moronic technique of yelling louder insults instead of putting together anything that resembles a reasoned counterpoint. Guys like you really make right wingers look like fucking idiots.

Jumper, we went there after WMDs. We spent a couple of months to do it, which was more than enough time for the WMDs to be shipped elsewhere.
Saddam financially supported Palestinian suicide bombing attacks against the Israelis, which is what 9-11 was all about. Our funding of Israel.

Actually the UN spent 18 months looking for WMDs which was plenty of time to conclude there weren't any which has been confirmed over the last 4 years of occupation.

Palestine is a whole other kettle of fish but just because one group targets occupiers and another targets innocents that are uninvolved doesn't mean they share the same resposibility. If someone runs over you cat and in a fit of rage you slash the guy's tires then later someone murders that guy are you now responsible for his murder?

First pull your head out of your ass, then think, then type, then smoke all the crack you want.

Like I said, you've gotta read between the lines, which the left dumbfucks clearly can't do. (they'd rather bring their own country to it's knees)

You mean fictionalize like the Bush admin did to justify this war. Ignore the facts and make up your own shit 'between the lines' to justify whatever you want to do for whatever reason you do it.

That's great that you actually support that shit. I hope you're the next one picked up by homeland security and held for daily assraping without due process, maybe because you have some dope or a gun or just because you're too stupid to be out in public.

[freshie247]

[QUOTE=Jumper Bones;1315482]Then how do you explain Ansar-al-Islam and Zarqawi being present in Iraq with the Iraqi gov't's blessing?

I don't think ANYBODY in that neighborhood is really 'secular', just some are less fervent that others.

Were it not for the invasion, Al Qaeda would still be plenty active in Southwest Asia.Quote]

They were small groups of these imbeciles in the semi autonomous mountain areas after the 1st Gulf War because Hussein lost a lot of his previous power & couldn't control Iraq like he used to,for example the Kurdish areas.So the US by proxy put them there. Saddam was full on secular ,& only feigned an interest in religion when he was getting his ass kicked in war. Women were educated,could drive,& held high office in his admin.Not many secular muslim countries allow those things.

Any disparities in Saddams philosophies on religion were only there because he feared being taken out of power & would try most anything to remain in power.

True AL Queda is big in SE asia, but last I checked, Iraq isn't SE. Asia.

[MeatPuppet]

Actually the UN spent 18 months looking for WMDs which was plenty of time to conclude there weren't any which has been confirmed over the last 4 years of occupation.

Just curious, what do you do with people like Georges Sada? I don't hear anybody disputing his claims of being a high ranking Iraqi general and he claims that the WMD were moved to Syria when an invasion became imminent.

I need to add that I have no dog in this hunt. It makes no difference to me what justification Bush made leading up to the war. I think Saddam should have been removed in the mid 90s when he began violating the term of the cease fire he agreed to after Gulf War I.

I'm just curious what people, who care about whether or not there were WMD in Iraq, do with George Sada and others(I think a general in Israel was saying the same thing, but I don't remember who it was) who claim that there were WMD in Iraq and were moved prior to invasion. Do you just dismiss them? Not important? Are they not credible? There's not enough people saying that to pay attention to it????

[hemas]

Just curious, what do you do with people like Georges Sada? I don't hear anybody disputing his claims of being a high ranking Iraqi general and he claims that the WMD were moved to Syria when an invasion became emanate.

What I would like to know, is under what conditions did Sada state the claim?

I bet you'd state that you were behind the Kennedy-murder (though you might not have even been born yet), if peeps were running 12 V from yer left testicle to yer right...

[MeatPuppet]

What I would like to know, is under what conditions did Sada state the claim?

I bet you'd state that you were behind the Kennedy-murder (though you might not have even been born yet), if peeps were running 12 V from yer left testicle to yer right...

You are jumping the gun a bit. But the result might be the same. He is getting paid a lot of money to travel around the US and make appearances on a book tour.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591454042



...and before somebody accuses me of answering my own question...

Any time anybody has something controversial to say, they will be able to find people willing to pay them to say it. This fact doesn't validate or invalidate what they have to say. If it did, anybody who ever writes a book would be instantly discredited.

[flowtron]

Only 99.998% of the time.

You're not bad, just stupid.

Huh, I never knew the IRA, FARC, Shining Path and ETA were muslim. Learn something new every day. Thanks Jer, you are truly brilliant.

[hemas]

You are jumping the gun a bit. But the result might be the same. He is getting paid a lot of money to travel around the US and make appearances on a book tour.

As said, I asked under what circumstance has he said this and that...

Any time anybody has something controversial to say, they will be able to find people willing to pay them to say it. This fact doesn't validate or invalidate what they have to say. If it did, anybody who ever writes a book would be instantly discredited.

True, he might be telling the truth... But then again, he might be lying for financial gain... Just like a few other I know...

But all this is beside the issue...

The issue at hand is, that if you're going to have your military personal in a "hostile" environment, your countries leaders should also make sure they grunts have all the necessary equipment they need...

Hence George W is kind of a bigot... Give nice speeches about supporting the troops, and yet don't do it him self. And yes, he is indeed the leader of your country, so he DOES have the power to give your grunts what they need, IF HE WOULD BOTHER TO PUT SOME EFFORT.

[Jumper Bones]

True AL Queda is big in SE asia, but last I checked, Iraq isn't SE. Asia.

which is why I said Southwest Asia...that's military-ese for 'the persian gulf region' or arabia or whatever.

Regarding the supposed WMD evacuations to Syria, there is pretty strong rumor amongst the military of some of that...specifically a number of Iraqi Airways flights made out of Baghdad Int'l to Syria, that were specifically allowed to fly through our fighter screens. While Iraqi Airways did operate cargo airplanes (Il-76s, and I don't recall seeing those particular airplanes sitting at Baghdad Int'l when I've been through - just some 727s, 737s, and a 747, plus that DHL A310), they just as easily could have been full of Iraqi leadership and their families - a major part of our invasion was bribing the Iraqi chain of command under Saddam to not follow his orders. Probably more than a few wanted to be set up out of the country.

I think that's all the more interesting considering how substantial our air cover over Iraq was, and that we eventually bombed the runways at Baghdad Int'l. When my unit started flying in there, we were using the taxiways until the runways could be repaired (pretty sketch considering you were taking off *right next* to parked airplanes, pretty small wingtip clearance, it was like flying from an aircraft carrier - gets interesting when you're flying big cargo planes). I think the runways might not have been bombed until after those airplanes had made it out.

[Jer]

Huh, I never knew the IRA, FARC, Shining Path and ETA were muslim. Learn something new every day. Thanks Jer, you are truly brilliant.

Oh yeah - you're right. Totally. Muslims only commit, like, 40% of all terrorist acts. I just heard Bader-Mienhof took over a Chuckee-Cheese in Ohio. Douche.

The Symbionese Liberation Army is also making a big comeback. Ha Ha. Moron.

You say were, I say are. Let's call the whole thing off. I suppose I should have stipulated that I was referring to the present just for all the dipshits.