Is the stock market going to tank?

[MultiVerse]

Per the discussion on the previous page about debt markets, tariffs etc., and not just in the United States but across the world, this is the fiscal equivalent of war. Globalization is under stress, defensive military pacts are more technicality than reality, and we're seeing an end to American fiscal responsibility. These are not independent things. They're disrupting the US market for long term Treasuries. That's why Trump TACO-ed from his extremely high tariff rates. Unless things calm down we're going to see reduces economic growth and even more stress on government budgets.

[m2711c]

typical ai bot response…

[MultiVerse]

Ahhh the razor sharp wit of an eight year old autistic boy

[jono]

Ahhh the razor sharp wit of an eight year old autistic boy

It's funny that you should bring up the spectrum since I was just thinking maybe that's the issue. People further away from you tend to make more use of subtle language and it seems like you often miss that and take irony literally. Paired with your superiority the result tends to be offensive and here we are.

In all seriousness and respect, I know a few people whose lives have been improved by recognizing their autism and then learning not to be surprised by it when interacting with others who aren't always as literal.

This forum used to be particularly full of subtle irony, and probably will be again.

[MultiVerse]

I find you funny too Jono, like an overfed, self-satisfied cat, oozing smugness

[jono]

Like Bunion, I buy pants at Costco, so you do you.

In case there's a glimmer of intellectual curiosity, though, anyone still using autism as a pejorative may have a blind spot. It's a spectrum, everyone's on it.

[MultiVerse]

Thank god for the tone police. Is this how things become fun again, or is it now that you're here, fun never stood a chance?

[liv2ski]

"I am getting more and more convinced MV is an AI Bot designed to argue about damn near anything"

"Fact"

So it's not just me? Good to know.

[jono]

Thank god for the tone police.

I know you don't understand subtlety, so I'll spell out one last thing for you: IDGAF about tone and I see no value in turning against "autism" like the "R" word. I'm literally saying, in order to think of autism as a pejorative you have to have a negative view of it, which is 100% consistent with being in denial.

Join us: buy some pants at Costco. Put your ego aside and begin your journey.

[MultiVerse]

I don't think of autism as a pejorative. And I don't have a negative view of it. I think you're a neurotic, tedious, self-absorbed stuffed cabbage who looks like he's seen the softer side of Sears

[jono]

typical ai bot response…

OK, the quality of insults finally convinced me.

Now I feel torn between being saddened at what we give up in terms of quality flame wars and impressed that agentic AI can not only use le TRGs (in 2025!) but also take such a good run at the Turing test.

[MultiVerse]

lol,, I've been waiting for my Jerantulas to arrive long before LLMs were a thing

[jono]

I was curious if it's necessary to ask ChatGPT to include inane half-hearted ad homs about other posters in every response or if that just happens automatically when you say "write a response in the style of Multiverse." It sounds like it's probably a specific instruction, though, like giving it a set of jargon terms to use in case it's challenged.

[MultiVerse]

Most disappointing response on repeat. Just glitching on the same boring talking point. Is there anything your LLM does well?

[summit]

Everyone is so ornery these days... must be summer

[jono]

You win, I'm impressed.

I have a friend that thinks we should create an agentic AI trader with some niche strategy but I'm a little skeptical about handing over passwords to something that can front run my trades. I guess TRG passwords are less important, but still an impressive step.

I refuse to believe you've managed "set it and forget it," though. Which one are you using? Do you have to read every response before approving? How often do you have to give it more input?

[fastfred]

back on topicthe truth is no one knows what is going to happen

we can all grab a headline and an idea and pretend we know the outcome

all we know is things are very unstable markets don't like instabilitywe know the gov't keeps mortgaging the future which is absurd

consumer debt and spending will have a reckoning no matter what any data says

my data says at least one person in scummit county bought high took a cash out loan against the house pissed it away and now they are underwater hoping to get top dollar for a shit hole house

[liv2ski]

I am just waiting for my broken clock to be right twice in my life.

[J. Barron DeJong]

back on topicthe truth is no one knows what is going to happen we can all grab a headline and an idea and pretend we know the outcome all we know is things are very unstable markets don't like instabilitywe know the gov't keeps mortgaging the future which is absurd consumer debt and spending will have a reckoning no matter what any data says my data says at least one person in scummit county bought high took a cash out loan against the house pissed it away and now they are underwater hoping to get top dollar for a shit hole house

It is true that nobody knows for certain what is going to happen, but the Fed chair and his team of hundreds of Ph.D. Economists and their well developed forecasting models are certainly in a better position to assess how tariffs are going to affect inflation than MV is.

[MultiVerse]

It's silly how two words "demand destruction" have created so much push-back Since appeals to authority seem to be the only thing that matters let me paraphrase for the Fed. There's uncertainty. If companies raise prices to cover the cost of tariffs, consumers may resist and reduce their spending, leading to demand destruction. If tariffs are primarily borne by US consumers, they can lead to depressed both US and global growth. There are also a host of inflationary forces acting on the economy. Tariffs too. There's not a simple one-to-one correlation

[fastfred]

just like going out to eat cost of going out for dinner has sky rocketed service and quality of food has gone down hill over all in my opinion

So now restaurants just blame high costs for losing customers every thing from mandatory minimum wages cost of food government regulation

but they never stop and think "my waitress has turned into a total cunt" "the slop I toss on a plate and charge top dollar for sucks" "as an owner I checked out last year hoping to just make passive income"

[yeahman]

There will never be stability with Trump in office, that much we know. The man just craves attention too much.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://bsky.app/profile/peark.es/post/3lsvt5uylf22o

*POWELL: US ECONOMY IS IN A PRETTY GOOD POSITION
*POWELL: INFLATION BEHAVING EXACTLY AS WE EXPECTED AND HOPED
*POWELL: WE EXPECT TO SEE HIGHER INFLATION READINGS OVER SUMMER

[skaredshtles]

https://bsky.app/profile/peark.es/post/3lsvt5uylf22o *POWELL: US ECONOMY IS IN A PRETTY GOOD POSITION *POWELL: INFLATION BEHAVING EXACTLY AS WE EXPECTED AND HOPED *POWELL: WE EXPECT TO SEE HIGHER INFLATION READINGS OVER SUMMER

MAGA:

[MultiVerse]

heh, "I don't believe you" on inflation is true for a lot Americans. Heightened sensitivity to inflation complicates the Fed’s job. Importantly, the typical central bank playbook of “looking through” supply shocks (tariffs are bad policy both coming & going) is much harder to do when inflation expectations are no longer firmly anchored at 2-percent