Seeking A Profession

**cj001f** · 04-30-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Crock

everything it stands for.

a bunch of people prostituting themselves to entertain the world and "live the dream"?

**renoenvy** · 04-30-2007, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

But those of you who are just trying to make a funny, forget about it your lame and it makes you look like a tool

using the phrase 'make a funny' makes you a tool, or a 15 y.o. chick.

and...

your overwhelming sense of humor should take you far with the TGR guys.

**Wibby** · 04-30-2007, 12:12 PM

move west and go to school.

**Tippster** · 04-30-2007, 12:18 PM

Mybe Brant was a bad example. I had the good fortune to meet him last year when he was taking a lunch break teaching Gordy's camp, and he was relating his difficulties getting some decent wagesin the ski industry, especially after his sponsors bailed. Cat was one of the greatest skiers in ski porn, and now he's having a difficult time translating that into gainful employment (or was a year ago.)

That was my only point - that being paid for skiing in movies is fleeting - hardly a career. I certainly wasn't bashing on one of the guys who made me say "holy fuck" more than once while watching TV....

**PTracy P1** · 04-30-2007, 12:36 PM

Go into sales, commission based, be patient, build your clientele, and take all the fucking time off in the world you can. Travel. raise a family. Travel. Drink alot on your expense account. Ski. Boat. Run. Drink. Travel. Enjoy your life.

I skied about 20 days in the Rockies this year, spent a week on the SC shore in March, will do 2 weeks at the house on West Coast of Michigan in July, most warm weather Fridays are spent on my boat with a beer, and I live in stoopid fucking Indiana and have a wife and 2 kids.

If you are not ready for being a cube farmer, have the ability and fortitude to build your own book of business, and enjoy a bunch of free-time, then go into sales.

IMHO.

**CraZy Canuck** · 04-30-2007, 08:28 PM

Right i think gaijin struck the right chord on this one, cuz his bit seemed to make the most sense to me. I mean look at warren miller, started his company out of a van in Colorado i think it was, now he's the biggest name in the industry (id say as far as movies go). It seems id have to blaze my own trail, and in order to do that its going to take some serious grit and determination, with a little bit a luck too.
I like Ptracy P1's idea too, hell that sounds like the way to go. Right now its up in the air i guess, but the first thing for sure is to solidify that good education so i can keep the doors open when its time to choose. Then i can go any which way. I hear ya Tippster, being payed as a pro skier is sketchy, and very unreliable by the sounds of it. I guess business is business hey? once your all used up, you get the shaft and your stuck with nothing but your thumb up your ass.
Hey Crock, im in that same boat you are pal, my idea of filming is being in the outback filming the seven wonders of the world or something fantastic, not being stuck in a pact studio filming some goofy ass cheap action flick like the ones they put out today. National Geographic, Powder, anything that gets you out there shooting that kind of stuff, im game. Your already ahead of me as far as education goes, but if things play out, i might be right behind you.
All these different points of view are starting to round out a perception of where i have to go, what i have to do there, and what its gunna take. Sounds like a long road ahead, and im just getting started.
Right renoenvy and you paraphrasing "year old" into "y.o" makes you a perfect candidate for that little speech on jackasses i threw your way

What do you even know about the TGR guys anyway sweetheart?

**frozenwater** · 04-30-2007, 08:45 PM

crazy guy - being a ski cine is a tough gig to get. I bet that there are like only a couple per film company compared to around a dozen athletes they film, so your odds are even WORSE.

But if it's your thing study the hell out of it, get an internship, get a degree in the field and then get ready to be broke the rest of your life - cause the guys doing it certainly aren't doing it for the money.

**mtbakerskier** · 04-30-2007, 08:51 PM

I guess that I am somewhat "qualified" to answer this thread.

The reality is that if you want a "job" filming / shooting skiing, than you got to make that job happen yourself. NO ONE is going to HAND you a JOB in this industry. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN JOB.

The ONLY way to get your foot in the door is to just go out and make the best film possible / shoot the best images possible all on your own. Get a job, save your money, buy the best camera that you can afford, and learn how to use it. Go to school and learn as much as you can about business and marketing. Than once you think that your images are as good as whats in the movies / magazines, keep shooting and keep trying to improve, than after a few years apply for an internship.

Every Cameraman / photographer that I know in this industry started out shooting for them selves and / or interned. No one is just going to hand you a job and a camera and ask you to go shoot rad stuff. You HAVE to PROVE that you can consistantly provide results in any conditons long before anyone is going to hire you.

FINALY dont do this if you want to get rich. In fact the only thing that is certian about this industry / profession is that your going to have to spend and LOOSE a LOT OF MONEY before you EVER MAKE A DIME.

Good LUCK, if you really truely want to do it, you will find a way to make it happen, but you have to make it happen threw your own skills and persistance.

**CraZy Canuck** · 04-30-2007, 09:06 PM

Yea i hear ya frozenwater, ive pushed that pipe dream of being a pro skiier aside. There can really only ever be one seth morrison, and really he would be the guy id try and take after. Im sure that would flop real fast. Im focusing more on the filming and shooting like what mtbaker is talking about, its the higher road really.
Thanks for those wise words baker, their what i really need to hear right now, seeing as how my whole perception of this business is quite meek. Did you really do ski porn?

**ill-advised strategy** · 04-30-2007, 09:57 PM

didn't somebody say something about going to school so you're not getting the shaft when you're 30...

yeah, uhhh. 2nded.

**smitchell333** · 04-30-2007, 10:00 PM

Padded Room Jong

**iceman** · 04-30-2007, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by mtbakerskier

I guess that I am somewhat "qualified" to answer this thread.

The reality is that if you want a "job" filming / shooting skiing, than you got to make that job happen yourself. NO ONE is going to HAND you a JOB in this industry. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN JOB.

The ONLY way to get your foot in the door is to just go out and make the best film possible / shoot the best images possible all on your own. Get a job, save your money, buy the best camera that you can afford, and learn how to use it. Go to school and learn as much as you can about business and marketing. Than once you think that your images are as good as whats in the movies / magazines, keep shooting and keep trying to improve, than after a few years apply for an internship.

Every Cameraman / photographer that I know in this industry started out shooting for them selves and / or interned. No one is just going to hand you a job and a camera and ask you to go shoot rad stuff. You HAVE to PROVE that you can consistantly provide results in any conditons long before anyone is going to hire you.

FINALY dont do this if you want to get rich. In fact the only thing that is certian about this industry / profession is that your going to have to spend and LOOSE a LOT OF MONEY before you EVER MAKE A DIME.

Good LUCK, if you really truely want to do it, you will find a way to make it happen, but you have to make it happen threw your own skills and persistance.

Fuck, I wouldn't even try that hard to get laid, and I'm the guy who trimmed his beard with a blowtorch 'cause a chick said i was too shaggy.

**cj001f** · 04-30-2007, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

Fuck, I wouldn't even try that hard to get laid, and I'm the guy who trimmed his beard with a blowtorch 'cause a chick said i was too shaggy.

I didn't think married people had to try to get laid.

**gaijin** · 04-30-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by YetiMan

didn't somebody say something about going to school so you're not getting the shaft when you're 30...

yeah, uhhh. 2nded.

If you want a degree just to say you went to college, then you'll end up with a bachelor's. If you want a degree because you want a good job, one that can afford the student loans you borrowed for the education, you will get at least a master's. Sorry, but it's the new norm.

If anyone disagrees with me, please provide the field in which you work and the field in which you got your bachelors. I (virtually) promise they don't match.

Another truth is that a master's degree is not just about higher credentials for a resume, they are actually about establishing independence in your field. Example; A master's for film production will have a "Major Work" project focused on producing and selling a film. Whereas a bachelors in the same field will teach you how to shoot video and edit it. Yay.

so... in the end you are one of three types of people;
A) One who found reasons not to go to school. (no degree)
B) One who went to school hoping to find the reason. (a bachelor's)
C) Or- one who went to school for the right reasons. (A master's/Doctorate)

Welcome to the 21st century.

**cj001f** · 04-30-2007, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by gaijin

If you want a degree just to say you went to college, then you'll end up with a bachelor's. If you want a degree because you want a good job, one that can afford the student loans you borrowed for the education, you will get at least a master's. Sorry, but it's the new norm.

If anyone disagrees with me, please provide the field in which you work and the field in which you got your bachelors. I (virtually) promise they don't match.

Another truth is that a master's degree is not just about higher credentials for a resume, they are actually about establishing independence in your field. Example; A master's for film production will have a "Major Work" project focused on producing and selling a film. Whereas a bachelors in the same field will teach you how to shoot video and edit it. Yay.

so... in the end you are one of three types of people;
A) One who found reasons not to go to school. (no degree)
B) One who went to school hoping to find the reason. (a bachelor's)
C) Or- one who went to school for the right reasons. (A master's/Doctorate)

Welcome to the 21st century.

yet another reason not to take advice from a message board

Masters = jerkoff credentialing to please HR retards

**P_McPoser** · 04-30-2007, 10:49 PM

Degree: B.S. Mining Engineering
Career: Mine Supervisor

You were saying?

Originally Posted by gaijin

If you want a degree just to say you went to college, then you'll end up with a bachelor's. If you want a degree because you want a good job, one that can afford the student loans you borrowed for the education, you will get at least a master's. Sorry, but it's the new norm.

If anyone disagrees with me, please provide the field in which you work and the field in which you got your bachelors. I (virtually) promise they don't match.

Another truth is that a master's degree is not just about higher credentials for a resume, they are actually about establishing independence in your field. Example; A master's for film production will have a "Major Work" project focused on producing and selling a film. Whereas a bachelors in the same field will teach you how to shoot video and edit it. Yay.

so... in the end you are one of three types of people;
A) One who found reasons not to go to school. (no degree)
B) One who went to school hoping to find the reason. (a bachelor's)
C) Or- one who went to school for the right reasons. (A master's/Doctorate)

Welcome to the 21st century.

**iceman** · 04-30-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by cj001f

I didn't think married people had to try to get laid.

Oddly, I wasn't born married.

**cj001f** · 04-30-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by iceman

Oddly, I wasn't born married.

Another preconception bites the dust. I'd so pegged you for a Rajasthani child bride.

**P_McPoser** · 04-30-2007, 11:08 PM

did I just quasi-agree with CJ again? Fuck. Quick someone kill a baby and see if it makes me cry.

**gaijin** · 05-01-2007, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by cj001f

yet another reason not to take advice from a message board

Masters = jerkoff credentialing to please HR retards

Perhaps you missed my first post in this thread;

Originally Posted by gaijin

What credentials do you need? None... if you admit that the successful people in the world don't hand out resumes. They're leaders- people give resumes to them... assuming they are so poorly inept to lead they actually have to ask for help.

The defintion of a true leader is NOT what you can accomplish, but rather what you can get other people to accomplish.

However, if you went to uni to get a BA to make HR retards happy, wouldn't an MA make the same retards even happier? The majority of recent college grads think so and the massive increase in students continuing their education and upping the competition proves this.

Many corporate (I hate to use that word) firms have complained that students who graduate with MBA's (masters of business administration) are too scholastic and lack experience. On the contrary, many master's programs actually require 2+ years in-field experience to even apply. The MA program I am entering in the international publishing industry (because I admit my BA isn't enough in the academic world) is one of those that requires experience. I couldn't have even applied fresh out of uni, nor could I even apply had I not lived abroad and developed adequate use of a second language. International publishing's a bitch. (Although your books sell world-wide and your office is border-less. In my secluded world, the means justify the ends.)

Although I'm a proponent of education, I will admit it's not a prerequisite to success in every field. But I will repeat myself- if you go to school because you believe your field will value an education... it will find higher value in an even higher education.

(now here come the flames...)

**PTracy P1** · 05-01-2007, 10:50 AM

Sales is a dirty word to alot of people, but its the easiest way to make alot of money without doing very much.

You get the image of some slimeball walking across the car lot, or somebody calling your haouse asking about insurance, or whatever.

But everything has to be sold, and everybody has to sell. You have to be able to sell yourself. For example, you have to sell yourself in an interview. You have to sell your self to that fine looking brunette over at the table by the bar.

Lawyers have to sell themselves to clients and judges and juries. A Doctor has to sell himself to you. A cinematographer has to sell his wares to whoever. The point is this: WAY more people are involved in sales than you can ever imagine. Why schools don't teach this shit is beyond me, but I sure hope they do not start anytime soon, I don't want the competition!

learn to sell, write your own fucking ticket for life.

good luck young grasshopper.

**Tippster** · 05-01-2007, 11:07 AM

Wait Gaijin - you're "expertise" comes from being a student yourself? Huh.

You would be surprised at the "leaders" without Masters Degrees. You'd probably be equally surprised at the PhD's who are sheep.

My advice is to go to a school that offers a broad range of study. Don't pigeonhole yourself - enroll in a little bit of everything, THEN decide what you want to do for the rest of your professional life. For some careers an MBA is necessary, for others a PhD, for yet others a BA or BS is sufficient, and the extra time spent on getting unnecessary Graduate degrees is actually a hindrance due to time lost in the "real world" of the profession.

I went into College wanting to be a Physicist like my father. I ended up being a TV cameraman and couldn't be happier - I found my profession through dabbling, not through some kind of preconceived notion of success.

**Ireallyliketoski2** · 05-01-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tippster

Wait Gaijin - you're "expertise" comes from being a student yourself? Huh.

You would be surprised at the "leaders" without Masters Degrees. You'd probably be equally surprised at the PhD's who are sheep.

My advice is to go to a school that offers a broad range of study. Don't pigeonhole yourself - enroll in a little bit of everything, THEN decide what you want to do for the rest of your professional life. For some careers an MBA is necessary, for others a PhD, for yet others a BA or BS is sufficient, and the extra time spent on getting unnecessary Graduate degrees is actually a hindrance due to time lost in the "real world" of the profession.

I went into College wanting to be a Physicist like my father. I ended up being a TV cameraman and couldn't be happier - I found my profession through dabbling, not through some kind of preconceived notion of success.

Excellent point, I went to school majoring in Mathematics wanting to do something in the field of statistics, e.g, actuarial work. After completing my math degree I realized I wanted something a little more challenging so I moved to the field of Computer Science and now statistics is just more of a hobby.

**renoenvy** · 05-01-2007, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

Right renoenvy and you paraphrasing "year old" into "y.o" makes you a perfect candidate for that little speech on jackasses i threw your way

What do you even know about the TGR guys anyway sweetheart?

I know you have 14 posts and then start calling people 'tools' because they had a little fun with your posts. Have you even read this board, sweetheart? Most of it is giving people are hard time. I've seen the TGR guys razz people on this board, and I know that calling them 'tools' for hazing you a bit probably wouldn't do a lot to show how fun you are to hang out with, douchebag.

As far as using y.o. for 'year old', still isn't 'make a funny'

Post up some photos, let's see how your eye is.

**PTracy P1** · 05-01-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by renoenvy

I know you have 14 posts and then start calling people 'tools' because they had a little fun with your posts. Have you even read this board, sweetheart? Most of it is giving people are hard time. I've seen the TGR guys razz people on this board, and I know that calling them 'tools' for hazing you a bit probably wouldn't do a lot to show how fun you are to hang out with, douchebag.

As far as using y.o. for 'year old', still isn't 'make a funny'

Post up some photos, let's see how your eye is.

yikes!