price of gas

[grrrr]

Paid 3.57 yesterday. Shopping for motorcycle today. Something in a 250cc.

[truckeelocal]

Paid 3.57 yesterday. Shopping for motorcycle today. Something in a 250cc.

I drove to the ski area today. A ski area that's infamous for its environmental faux pas. And then I skied, a non-value add environmentally disasterous activity. But I'm green aren't I ? If I hug a tree occasionally ?

[4matic]

What's wrong with golf cars? Tom Sneva's does 104 mph:

http://archive.sportingnews.com/feat...arethey/sneva/

Tom Sneva is all about common sense.

Which is why, after spending 18 years racing at Indianapolis, he is now in the golf business -- and just happens to have the fastest golf cart on record.

"I thought that if I'm going to be in the golf business, I have to have the world's fastest golf cart," Sneva said from Phoenix, "so we put together a 104-mile an hour golf cart.

"We put an 850 Yamaha with a five-speed nitrous oxide on it. It's pretty cute, has the wing on it and a parachute coming out of the back, it's the ultimate big kid toy."

[Tippster]

Paid 3.57 yesterday. Shopping for motorcycle today. Something in a 250cc.

KAWASAKI KLX250S




Street legal, goes anywhere.

[cj001f]

Those of you who like taxes so much, will you pay mine?

You live in one of the deadbeat states. I already do.

[Jer]

It's no mere self defense, any more than a lion eating a gazelle is mere self defense. They have something we need for our nation to survive in it's current condition. When that is threatened, we act in our own self interest. It's as simple as that.

I like it. It's so ... compassionately conservative. With a dash of Social Darwinism.

Instead of the striking but stodgy "Might Makes Right" we have "I want it, I can take it, and - y'know? I'm think I'm OK with that."

I'm sure you'll keep that adage in mind next time someone rips you off.
(For your own good and their greater needs, of course.)

The others, however..... let's just say I'd hate to be in an accident in one.

Does that mean it's time to go over the deadly cars stats again?

[Atlas Q. Powmonger]

People who believe that evil energy companies are ripping us off should take all their life savings and invest it in Exxon futures. But before you do, you should read an analyst report or two from about 10 years ago when they were all getting slaughtered. It's a cyclical business and they'll be getting killed soon enough. In fact high gas prices are encouraging people to invest in alternatives already - look at the % of VC investments going to alternative energy. OPEC is shooting themselves in the foot. Also, a significant portion of the cost of gas comes from too much government regulation (which energy companies encourage because it creates barriers to entry) rather than too little.

High prices are the normal way to ration scarce goods. What's the big deal about expensive gas? See this article for an interesting discussion on price elasticity of gas.

This discussion really boils down to a bunch of separate issues, of which these are the most obvious:
1) Some people don't like it when companies are profitable.
2) There are externalities (pollution, global warming, traffic) that result from driving and we disagree about how to distribute those costs.
3) A portion of our population is poor. How (and how much) we should redistribute income?

When these all get mixed together it makes for a muddled and annoying discussion.

ok. sorry. </rant> carry on.

[cj001f]

People who believe that evil energy companies are ripping us off should take all their life savings and invest it in Exxon futures. But before you do, you should read an analyst report or two from about 10 years ago when they were all getting slaughtered. It's a cyclical business and they'll be getting killed soon enough. In fact high gas prices are encouraging people to invest in alternatives already - look at the % of VC investments going to alternative energy. OPEC is shooting themselves in the foot. Also, a significant portion of the cost of gas comes from too much government regulation (which energy companies encourage because it creates barriers to entry) rather than too little.

High prices are the normal way to ration scarce goods. What's the big deal about expensive gas? See this article for an interesting discussion on price elasticity of gas.

This discussion really boils down to a bunch of separate issues, of which these are the most obvious:
1) Some people don't like it when companies are profitable.
2) There are externalities (pollution, global warming, traffic) that result from driving and we disagree about how to distribute those costs.
3) A portion of our population is poor. How (and how much) we should redistribute income?

When these all get mixed together it makes for a muddled and annoying discussion.

ok. sorry. </rant> carry on.

the only thing more retarded than this thread, is a retard who posts some barely coherent rant unrelated to all of the posts in it.

[StaggerLee]

Welcome to being part of the problem.

Try not to take yourself too seriously like the majority of posers on this thread. I don't plan on putting my family in one of these "golf carts" to save a few bucks on fuel. No reason to lower standards/expectations. It is entirely possible to manufacture a moderate sized fuel efficient vehicle that is off-road capable. I choose not to place safety and convenience secondary to cute, small, and supposedly fuel efficient.

[cj001f]

Try not to take yourself too seriously like the majority of posers on this thread. I don't plan on putting my family in one of these "golf carts" to save a few bucks on fuel. No reason to lower standards/expectations. It is entirely possible to manufacture a moderate sized fuel efficient vehicle that is off-road capable. I choose not to place safety and convenience secondary to cute, small, and supposedly fuel efficient.

bwah...... you drive an SUV with those family stickers on the back, don't you?

[MeatPuppet]

I like it. It's so ... compassionately conservative. With a dash of Social Darwinism.

Instead of the striking but stodgy "Might Makes Right" we have "I want it, I can take it, and - y'know? I'm think I'm OK with that."

Nice straw man, but, no sale.

The price at the gas pump seems not to support your contention that we are taking anything from the Middle East.

I'm sure you'll keep that adage in mind next time someone rips you off.
(For your own good and their greater needs, of course.)

Heh, go look at the the House of Saud and then come back and tell me we are "ripping them off". Hehe, that's funny. Regardless of what anybody says about you David, you really do have a sense of humor.

[cj001f]

Heh, go look at the the House of Saud

Comeon man, they need that private A380.

You think they are going to subject their family to one of those tiny, tinny Gulfstream 500s? Besides the B747 was getting old anyways - it was time to replace it.

[tommyvee]

Im with MeatPuppet on this. Sure it would be nice to live in a fantasyland where everyone gets along and there isnt a need for gas or fuel or anything, but the truth is...I dont want to live circa 800AD. I like air conditioning when I need it. I like fucking 4WD when it gets icy and snowy. I like my Jeep to haul shit around in. Maybe its just me.
greg- It doesnt make me more or less Christian or whatever because I want to drive my Jeep to the mountain rather than ride my fucking bicycle cause its saving the environment. If the U.S. is over in Iraq to set up a govt and establish some sort of quid pro quo for cheaper oil to let us live our lives as we have become accustomed to, then thats ok. Sure beats allowing warlords and dictators take control and slaughter millions while at the same time contribute to holding the rest of the world hostage with oil prices.

Maybe you have not noticed, but there are a few people in Iraq, who don't think pumping their oil so you can "live our lives as we have become accustomed to" is very important. They will win, because they live there and we don't. Sooner or later the US will leave and Iraqis will rule Iraq. Cheap gas for your Jeep is not and will not be their priority. Empires always fall and this one is looking pretty close to the breaking point.

It is ironic that GWB's attempt to lock up the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet has actually reduced oil production, due to the chaos and anarchy which his incompetence has unleashed. So the Republican corporatists are actually advancing the time table for alternative energy every time they drive up the price of oil by invading a country, making threats, or sending aircraft carriers off Iran.
Seriously, I would like to see how your "might is right", "take it if you can" philosophy works for you when some carjacker decides he needs your Jeep so he can "live as he has become accustomed to".

[Atlas Q. Powmonger]

Seriously, I would like to see how your "might is right", "take it if you can" philosophy works for you when some carjacker decides he needs your Jeep so he can "live as he has become accustomed to".

I don't think anyone is really arguing that "might makes right" here. The observation is that one party is voluntarily selling something to another party who is voluntarily buying it. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Of course, there's another legitimate discussion to be had about the morality of the countries there, how they treat their populations (who are not benefiting from the wealth creation), and what, if anything, we should do about it.

[tommyvee]

I don't think anyone is really arguing that "might makes right" here. The observation is that one party is voluntarily selling something to another party who is voluntarily buying it. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Of course, there's another legitimate discussion to be had about the morality of the countries there, how they treat their populations (who are not benefiting from the wealth creation), and what, if anything, we should do about it.

So if one "party" is a government installed under military occupation huddled in the Green Zone, do you still think "Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything"? Again, some Iraqis would say they are being "forced to do something", like die by the tens of thousands, and sell their oil at below-market terms. According to the apologists for empire, it is all "voluntary", I guess. The US is going to find the numbers of "volunteers" to let the US oil companies trash their countries and suck up their oil getting more and more scarce as the years go by. The fools "investing" in low mpg SUVs will find their resale "value" disappearing fast.

[Atlas Q. Powmonger]

So if one "party" is a government installed under military occupation huddled in the Green Zone, do you still think "Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything"?

Nope. And if you read my post, you'll see that I'm saying economic freedom of choice doesn't apply to people who aren't free. Not that they were free before the war. Not that other countries in the vicinity are free either. So... should we do anything to help people who aren't free? Can we? I think that's starting to stray from the subject of gas prices although it's obviously related.

I don't think we should go to war for oil. It's not right, it doesn't make economic sense, and I don't even think the "self defense" argment is justified.

[truckeelocal]

I don't think we should go to war for oil. It's not right, it doesn't make economic sense, and I don't even think the "self defense" argment is justified.

It depends how much oil is there before an economic argument can be discussed. It should, at this point, be noted that N.Korea's oil reserves are anaemic while Canada's are substantial As is Iran's

[Brock Landers]

Maybe you have not noticed, but there are a few people in Iraq, who don't think pumping their oil so you can "live our lives as we have become accustomed to" is very important. They will win, because they live there and we don't. Sooner or later the US will leave and Iraqis will rule Iraq. Cheap gas for your Jeep is not and will not be their priority. Empires always fall and this one is looking pretty close to the breaking point.

It is ironic that GWB's attempt to lock up the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet has actually reduced oil production, due to the chaos and anarchy which his incompetence has unleashed. So the Republican corporatists are actually advancing the time table for alternative energy every time they drive up the price of oil by invading a country, making threats, or sending aircraft carriers off Iran.
Seriously, I would like to see how your "might is right", "take it if you can" philosophy works for you when some carjacker decides he needs your Jeep so he can "live as he has become accustomed to".

Who are these people over there? The dictators and warlords? Are they going to use the oil for something else, or are they going to sell it? "Living lives as we have become accustomed to" is a bad thing? Im not saying we are stealing it, we can still buy it right? Cheap gas for my Jeep isnt their priority, but you know what- it may be the US's priority, like it or not. Hate to break it to you but the oil companies and the Iraqi's are in it for the money too so you cant really play the "they are so poor and sufferable and we are going in there raping and pillaging their oil fields" bullshit. Without clearing out some of the shit going on (which incidentally was responsible for the deaths of millions or Iraqis over the years, but you conveniently neglect that) we can find a place to engage in commerce.
The carjacker analogy is stupid. Not even close. Are we carjacking them, or are we helping them get rid of the militants allowing trade to go on. Without the US's demand for oil it isnt worth as much to them. Your dumb-as-shit carjacking analogy would go something like this:
Carjacker (US) comes over to my car, which incidentally would be a taxi, details and washes the thing, then engages in a series of deals where I drive him around for a fee. Its win-win right? The whole war-still-going-on-thing is another matter.
We might as well try and engage in commerce with Iraq...because WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THE OIL ?

[grrrr]

Try not to take yourself too seriously like the majority of posers on this thread.

Always an excellent argument on the internet. Works on just about any post.

[StaggerLee]

bwah...... you drive an SUV with those family stickers on the back, don't you?

Nope. I drive an F250 diesel. I love running little pseudo liberal gapers like you off the road Oh...and my other "car" is an airplane that, yes, burns leaded fuel. As soon as viable fuel efficient options become available, I will be in for a $. Until then, I will continue to do all I can to keep posers like you honest

[cj001f]

Nope. I drive an F250 diesel. I love running little pseudo liberal gapers like you off the road

Ahh.. you try to run people like me off the road - thats why there are so many trucks and SUVs in the ditch on the way to Mammoth!

I drive a Civic, not sure how you are keeping me honest.

[AKA]

I drive a Civic, not sure how you are keeping me honest.

you're a liar.

[Grange]

Paid 3.57 yesterday. Shopping for motorcycle today. Something in a 250cc.

I've got a Suzuki GZ250. I get around 70 mpg. Great for tooling around the city and going back and forth to work, but long trips wouldn't work so well I bet.

[4matic]

Motorcycles are not as thrifty as it might seem. Rear tires are expensive and last 5k miles. Chains wear out. Sprockets wear out. They need alot of maintenance.

Seems hybrids are becoming cost affective now.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...9E4271A42E7%7D

[cj001f]

you're a liar.

hey, my civic has a hood that doesn't try to kill me