The Official Gun Control Debate thread

[danimal's dead]

Rydellen's coming, the commies are here.

See Rev, I told you not to discount Red Dawn, the commies are coming, they may be Eurotrash, they may be Chinese, they may be jihadist, but they are coming and they are going to take our guns first.

[PNWbrit]

You'll have a very, very hard time arguing that the handgun ban has made Britons any safer:

I wouldn't. But I'd argue the reasons for increase in gun crime isn't because the good guys aren't packing heat anymore - since they weren't beforehand.

[Jer]

Rydellen's coming, the commies are here.

See Rev, I told you not to discount Red Dawn, the commies are coming, they may be Eurotrash, they may be Chinese, they may be jihadist, but they are coming and they are going to take our guns first.

Ha! The Swedish couldn't conquer Puerto Rico. What are they gonna do? Sic Yngwie Malmsteen on us?

[danimal's dead]

"Europe, the rotting corpse of a fallen empire," Nabokov

I'm just sort of playing around now, but it sure is funny how the rest of the world wants us to be like Europe. I've been to Europe, meh. I'll keep my liberty and my guns thank you very much.

[13]

how would bullet control make things "safer?" a motivated psycho will not be stopped from acquiring a gun and its' ammo.

i have had a loaded shotgun pointed at my head by a 12 year old before - it was his dad's gun and his finger was on the trigger. i hate guns, but i refuse to advocate for the elimination of gun possession by responsible private citizens. i'd rather see some of the current loopholes closed and gun manufacturers electing to reduce their production of handguns/revolvers.

as for the swede who's angry at all of us -- i bet you think all Americans carry around little bags of cocaine too.

[PNWbrit]

Danimal - Where in Europe did you notice people so obviously lacking US levels of liberty?

I can assure you it's not something people there (modern Western Europe?) feel is in particularly short supply.

Not at all a dig at you - I'm intrigued by your comment.

[AstroPax]

THATS the big fucking difference between sweden and sick fucking countries/states like the US/southern states.

Yeah, another BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE is, unlike Sweden, the US didn't puss-out of WW II and collaborate with Nazi Germany.

[AsheanMT]

as for the swede who's angry at all of us -- i bet you think all Americans carry around little bags of cocaine too.

That would be cool!

[AsheanMT]

Yeah, another BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE is, unlike Sweden, the US didn't puss-out of WW II and collaborate with Nazi Germany.

europeans don't like our gun policies but sure didn't mind us using guns to help em out did they?

[Optimus_Prime]

This guy was going to kill no matter what. He was going to get a gun. If you have enough conviction to kill 32 people, then illegally getting a gun is no problem. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

[Spats]

But most likely such red tape, would lessen the changes of getting a gun (family, friends, a street buy)... Less guns "roaming around", the more PITA it would be to get one.

In the UK, where handguns have been completely illegal since 1997, handgun crime has increased from 2,687 (1998/1999) to 4,347 (2004/2005).

(Source: British Home Office, http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb0206.pdf)

It's common sense. The more difficult it is for regular citizens to get a gun, the more incentive criminals have to get them, because they know that they won't ever have to confront armed citizens.

Remember: making guns illegal will make criminals stop using guns, just like making drugs illegal has stopped drug addicts from using drugs.

[spook]

Yeah, another BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE is, unlike Sweden, the US didn't puss-out of WW II and collaborate with Nazi Germany.

you might not want to pull that out of the hat so eagerly given numerous u.s. corporate interests that profited handsomely by assisting nazi germany (and of course, prescott bush, whose descendants have had an inordinate amount of power in the u.s. since).

not to mention the fact that we dropped a-bombs on japanese civilians and firebombed plenty of others.

the u.s. has a long and growing history of unprosecuted war crimes and crimes against humanity.

"winning" wars does not generate moral superiority.

[AstroPax]

europeans don't like our gun policies but sure didn't mind us using guns to help em out did they?

Yeah, and they sure seem to like to make the USA home.

The 2006 Legal Permamnent Resident (LPR) flow from Europe was 13% of the total LPR flow into the US for that year. Asia was 33.4%, Mexico was 13.7%.

[Gripen]

Danimal - Where in Europe did you notice people so obviously lacking US levels of liberty?

I can assure you it's not something people there (modern Western Europe?) feel is in particularly short supply.

Not at all a dig at you - I'm intrigued by your comment.

The banning of politcal parties, curtailing of free speech, the oppression of racial minorities.... of course they dont feel it in short supply, they have never enjoyed the liberties Americans have. That take what they have for the epitome of freedom. I've had this discussion with many of my European (both Western and Central, eastern Europe is really Ukraine and Beloruss, not the former Warsaw Pact nations.) They ban things they dont like and shove them under the carpet, we have a freedom that allows things we may not agree with, but at elast they are out in the open.

[Jer]

you might not want to pull that out of the hat so eagerly given numerous u.s. corporate interests that profited handsomely by assisting nazi germany (and of course, prescott bush, whose descendants have had an inordinate amount of power in the u.s. since).

not to mention the fact that we dropped a-bombs on japanese civilians and firebombed plenty of others.

the u.s. has a long and growing history of unprosecuted war crimes and crimes against humanity.

"winning" wars does not generate moral superiority.

Like I said before - if you think the US sucks so much, why are you still living here? Are you trying to convert all us morons to your way of thinking by being the biggest douchebag in the universe?

[tex1230]

Jer - it really defeats the purpose of the ignore function if you keep quoting that asshat

[spook]

Jer - it really defeats the purpose of the ignore function if you keep quoting that asshat

especially if "love it or leave it" is the best you can do.

[Jer]

Answer the question, fuckhead.

I'll admit that me calling everbody a douchebag gets old quickly, but so far all I've ever heard from you is a bunch of whining about how uncultured and stupid everyone in "our homeland" is.

[doughboyshredder]

The main reason I will NEVER give up my right to bear arms, is because I will NEVER trust my government.

The main purpose of having an armed citizenry is to ensure that the government will not be able to "take over" society.

One of the first things Hitler did was to take away the citizens right to own firearms.

You will NEVER get my gun.

[spook]

Answer the question, fuckhead.

you mean, why would i continue to live in a nominal "democracy" when i am aware of at least some of the ugly history and present of that country?

that should be obvious to someone as patriotic as you, jer.

for instance, a trite example, but an excellent one, nonetheless:
......
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
.....


now run along....

[spook]

The main reason I will NEVER give up my right to bear arms, is because I will NEVER trust my government.

The main purpose of having an armed citizenry is to ensure that the government will not be able to "take over" society.

One of the first things Hitler did was to take away the citizens right to own firearms.

You will NEVER get my gun.

you should probably do a little more research on gun control laws in germany prior to hitler. otherwise you sound like an NRA tool.

and just curious, in the even of an attempted "take over," what kind of weaponry are you anticipating you have that is going to fight off the "government" and all the billions of dollars of weapons r&d? what kind of organization do you have? communication?

[doughboyshredder]

Because one political party in America worships at the altar of gun control. The other doesn't. So to support gun control, in effect, lends support to the Democratic party. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it's simple the way it is.
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Bullshit, I know alot of gun toting country folk that vote Dem, myself included.

It's the liberal wing of the Democratic party that's the problem. Same as the conservative wing of the Republican party is a problem.

[Jer]

blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

So, when are you going to stop whining and start your little douchebag revolution?

[doughboyshredder]

you should probably do a little more research on gun control laws in germany prior to hitler. otherwise you sound like an NRA tool.

and just curious, in the even of an attempted "take over," what kind of weaponry are you anticipating you have that is going to fight off the "government" and all the billions of dollars of weapons r&d? what kind of organization do you have? communication?

I will give you that I don't know much about gun control laws in Germany prior to Hitler. And I have given money to the NRA so I guess I am an NRA tool. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that is where I heard that. I will look into that one.

As far as fighting off the government, all it takes is an armed citizenry willing to join the existing militias, and form their own on the spot.

[spook]

So, when are you going to stop whining and start your little douchebag revolution?

that's what i love about you, jer. you're not shy about having absolutely nothing of substance to contribute.