The Official Gun Control Debate thread

[Kya]

Kya, I respect your intent, but you are reaching here. Keeping a musket ready to fire for any period longer than a day or so will likely render thet gun powder useless due to attracting moisture.

edit: not to mention having a loaded firearm with no safety.

With all due respect......Safety? Moist gun powder? Those seem like very simple problems to solve while keeping the concept in place. It's the concept I'm after, not the literal definition.


Edit: Page Top Bitches: I win!

[Jer]

I think the highways would be much safer if we went back to horse and buggy.
Sure it would be inconvenient, but think of all the lives that would be saved.

[Tye 1on]

I think the highways would be much safer if we went back to horse and buggy.
Sure it would be inconvenient, but think of all the lives that would be saved.

Think of the poop.

[Jer]

Poop is a small price to pay. Besides, getting rid of auotomobiles would drastically cut down on...

GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!

[mr_gyptian]

If I may. Poop, specifically methane, is one of the largest causes of global warming.

[Jer]

If I may. Poop, specifically methane, is one of the largest causes of global warming.

NO IT'S NOT!! PEOPLE WHO DON"T DRIVE A PRIUS AND DON"T USE THE RIGHT LIGHTBULBS CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING!!!!! DO I HAVE TO GET DILDO WITHEREDPOON TO BACK ME UP ON THIS???

[EPSkis]

Hey Fuckers!


Imagine that, a criminal used ILLEGAL guns to commit a crime. Obviously, a more stringent background check and waiting periods would definately have prevented this tragedy!

Except that the 9mm wasn't an illegal gun - it was purchased legally and included the background check. Which, in my mind, begs the question:

*WHY is a South Korean resident alien able to purchase a gun in the US?*

[truckeelocal]

Except that the 9mm wasn't an illegal gun - it was purchased legally and included the background check. Which, in my mind, begs the question:

*WHY is a South Korean resident alien able to purchase a gun in the US?*

So now the issue is the immigration status of the shooter ? Sort out immigration and gun related crime will go away. Is that where you're going with regard to solutions ?

[PNWbrit]

Except that the 9mm wasn't an illegal gun - it was purchased legally and included the background check. Which, in my mind, begs the question:

*WHY is a South Korean resident alien able to purchase a gun in the US?*

Because obviously if he'd become a naturalized citizen or was American by birth he'd never have gone on the rampage.

[MeatPuppet]

Sort out immigration and gun related crime will go away. Is that where you're going with regard to solutions ?

Hey, binary boy. Do you have any solutions, or are you just here to make simplistic, leading, mis-characterizations of peoples statements?

[truckeelocal]

Hey, binary boy. Do you have any solutions, or are you just here to make simplistic, leading, mis-characterizations of peoples statements?

Yes. No concealed firearms (except for plain clothes law enforcement).
Then Gun Control with very strict guidelines about qualifications for ownership. And then extreme penalties for unauthorized gun ownership and especially gun use. Yep, the criminals will evade the laws and the law-abiding citizens will suffer. But we're suffering already with 12,000+ deaths/year. Get it done. A re-interpretation of the 2nd amendment is appropriate. It's to create an armed militia not for self-defense (or hunting or sport-shooting). How hard is it to get 200 million firearms (that number makes sense to some here) off the streets ? Hell we've upgraded the vast majority of vehicles, a similar number, off leaded gas. We can do it. We're Americans (and South Koreans, and ...)

[brice618]

Yes. No concealed firearms (except for plain clothes law enforcement).
Then Gun Control with very strict guidelines about qualifications for ownership. And then extreme penalties for unauthorized gun ownership and especially gun use. Yep, the criminals will evade the laws and the law-abiding citizens will suffer. But we're suffering already with 12,000+ deaths/year. Get it done. A re-interpretation of the 2nd amendment is appropriate. It's to create an armed militia not for self-defense (or hunting or sport-shooting). How hard is it to get 200 million firearms (that number makes sense to some here) off the streets ? Hell we've upgraded the vast majority of vehicles, a similar number, off leaded gas. We can do it. We're Americans (and South Koreans, and ...)

You just don't seem understand that the guy is going to kill someone if he feels necessary to do so. The gun is not evil it, does not have a brain, it doesn't walk, it doesn't pull its own trigger. The guns do have irresponsible users but those people are going to use whatever means they find convenient to murder. If its not a gun then it will be a pipe bomb. If not a pipe bomb then a butcher knife. If not a butcher knife their bare hands. Its not about the object its about the nuts person behind it. WHY DON'T YOU GET IT????

[Jer]

Trying to have a logical conversation with someone who values thier feelings over logic doesn't work. It didn't work with spookydouche and it won't work with truckeedouche.

A simple solution would be to outlaw all firearms/bows/blowguns/slingshots/machettes/etc., increase the number of police to 1 cop for every civillian and medicate the entire populace into a zobie-like state. This would result in a society that guys like truckeelocal may like, but it would have very little to do with freedom. If you want both freedom and security, you're gonna have to dig a bit deeper.

[truckeelocal]

You just don't seem understand that the guy is going to kill someone if he feels necessary to do so. The gun is not evil it, does not have a brain, it doesn't walk, it doesn't pull its own trigger. The guns do have irresponsible users but those people are going to use whatever means they find convenient to murder. If its not a gun then it will be a pipe bomb. If not a pipe bomb then a butcher knife. If not a butcher knife their bare hands. Its not about the object its about the nuts person behind it. WHY DON'T YOU GET IT????

Because when I look at the statistics the US is a violent nation and the tool of choice is the firearm. Now I agree that removing the firearm from the equation will not remove the violent tendancies but it will remove at least one tool. I think your suggestion that the tool will be upgraded to bombs is nonsense but at least that is a honest disagreement. The dishonesty comes in by the refusal to recognize that the US has a firearm mortality problem and that the problem is related to the existance of firearms.

[brice618]

Trying to have a logical conversation with someone who values thier feelings over logic doesn't work. It didn't work with spookydouche and it won't work with truckeedouche.

A simple solution would be to outlaw all firearms/bows/blowguns/slingshots/machettes/etc., increase the number of police to 1 cop for every civillian and medicate the entire populace into a zobie-like state. This would result in a society that guys like truckeelocal may like, but it would have very little to do with freedom. If you want both freedom and security, you're gonna have to dig a bit deeper.

Wasn't that an idea back in the 60's? Putting drugs in the water to keep everyone chilled out... I think John Cage was mixed in with it all.

[tommyvee]

You just don't seem understand that the guy is going to kill someone if he feels necessary to do so. The gun is not evil it, does not have a brain, it doesn't walk, it doesn't pull its own trigger. The guns do have irresponsible users but those people are going to use whatever means they find convenient to murder. If its not a gun then it will be a pipe bomb. If not a pipe bomb then a butcher knife. If not a butcher knife their bare hands. Its not about the object its about the nuts person behind it. WHY DON'T YOU GET IT????

By this reasoning, we should make inanimate nuclear weapons, chem/bio weapons, surface-to-air missiles, etc., all freely available too, since they also are not alive and cannot kill people on their own. The point, which you make a huge effort not to get, is that disturbed people can do much more harm with more deadly weapons, so society benefits by making those more deadly weapons more difficult to obtain. And of course, those countries (the rest of the "civilized" industrialized world) which have made access to such weapons more controlled have much lower gun death and murder rates, proving the point.

I would much rather face a deranged person attacking me with bare hands, than a deranged person with an automatic weapon. Sure the automatic weapon cannot kill anyone on its' own, but like most technology it is an effective force multiplier. Trying to keep effective killing technology out of the hands of unstable people is common sense to anyone not blinded by rigid ideology, which is most of the planet, except for those lost in some cowboy fantasy of quick-draw heroism (Bushies most definitely included).

[truckeelocal]

Trying to have a logical conversation with someone who values thier feelings over logic doesn't work. It didn't work with spookydouche and it won't work with truckeedouche.

I think you may be misidentifying the problem of who has a problem conducting a logical conversation. Just a thought. Not saying it's true or anything, but something to consider as you dive down into your bag of insults ...

[brice618]

By this reasoning, we should make inanimate nuclear weapons, chem/bio weapons, surface-to-air missiles, etc., all freely available too, since they also are not alive and cannot kill people on their own. The point, which you make a huge effort not to get, is that disturbed people can do much more harm with more deadly weapons, so society benefits by making those more deadly weapons more difficult to obtain. And of course, those countries (the rest of the "civilized" industrialized world) which have made access to such weapons more controlled have much lower gun death and murder rates, proving the point.

I would much rather face a deranged person attacking me with bare hands, than a deranged person with an automatic weapon. Sure the automatic weapon cannot kill anyone on its' own, but like most technology it is an effective force multiplier. Trying to keep effective killing technology out of the hands of unstable people is common sense to anyone not blinded by rigid ideology, which is most of the planet, except for those lost in some cowboy fantasy of quick-draw heroism (Bushies most definitely included).

Thats not true though... there is no such thing as sport atomic bombing / long range missile firing/ serin gassing (any of those are made specifically for killing). Whereas there is sport shooting with all kinds of weapons automatic/ semi/ single shot. The reason you can't get a gun if you are a felon is because you are obviously unstable. You can't protect everyone from everyone else. Are you going to make everyone go through a psych evaluation yearly?

[Jer]

Wasn't that an idea back in the 60's? Putting drugs in the water to keep everyone chilled out... I think John Cage was mixed in with it all.

Mandrake - have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?

[Jer]

I think you may be misidentifying the problem of who has a problem conducting a logical conversation. Just a thought. Not saying it's true or anything, but something to consider as you dive down into your bag of insults ...

If you were a little more inane and used the word "I" and "me" more, I'd be tempted to think you were a spook alias.

[Dhelihiker]

Without guns, how would you keep hippies off the lawn?

[truckeelocal]

If you were a little more inane and used the word "I" and "me" more, I'd be tempted to think you were a spook alias.

I don't rate your best insults ? Or is this the best you can come up with today ? "Inane" ? A little hypocracy here.

[Jer]

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Sorry spook, back on the list with you.

[13]

Solution to crime: arm criminals, disarm everyone else.
I don't see any problem with this.

really? come to detroit and tell that to the parents of the babies killed by stray bullets from gangs blasting away at each other over turf.

[13]

But what scares me, is that people buy the game. Society should kick these peoples' asses.

wait, are you suggesting someone use violence to stop people from buying a video game?