Running, Anyone...?

[spankthepow]

Having not read a single page of this thread, my advice is that beer helps with bonking. Me shotgunning at mile 17 during a run thru Yosemite.

That is all.

[mtngirl79]

These stupid brooks addiction stability shoes or whatever they are make my feet/lower legs not hurt but they feel like clown shoes and make it so I cannot feel the ground and each step feels like its slapping down really hard only it doesnt feel hard because of all the padding.

There has to be a better way..

[billyk]

Thanks to this thread for the heads up on the Hoka One One. Got a pair, and possibly the best shoes I've ever owned. Got the Challenger ATR 2, and totally changed the experience of running on rocky trails. Very envious of the guy that only paid $25 for them. I paid $130, but consider it money well spent. Saw some reviews that knocked them on durability, so I guess time will tell. But so far very happy.

[mtngirl79]

my hokas lasted like 4 days

[nutmegchoi]

Thanks to this thread for the heads up on the Hoka One One. Got a pair, and possibly the best shoes I've ever owned. Got the Challenger ATR 2, and totally changed the experience of running on rocky trails. Very envious of the guy that only paid $25 for them. I paid $130, but consider it money well spent. Saw some reviews that knocked them on durability, so I guess time will tell. But so far very happy.

I heard Hokas need some time to get use to.
You didn't have any issue with transition?

[I've seen black diamonds!]

^^^^^I had no issue once I found the right pair. I tried Cliftons and the heel felt too pronounced compared to my Saucony Kinvaras (I've had many pairs and continue to use them on shorter runs). But Hoka Huakas have been great. They felt spongy the first time out but I wouldn't say I had to adjust.

[billyk]

To me it was an immediate improvement over the shoes I was using before. No break-in period required. Of course, I'm still in early days, so will have to see how they hold up, but so far very happy.

[funkendrenchman]

I heard Hokas need some time to get use to.
You didn't have any issue with transition?

I have Stinsons and they took several runs to get used to the high center of gravity. At first they felt unstable on off camber sections and corners. Now, I don't notice it all all. Love their cushioning on the trails. I have several hundred miles on them with no wear issues.

[Cruiser]

I dig the Hoka trail shoes that I bought last year (though they haven't been very durable) for jogging some of the 14ers and other similarly rocky trails. They've been super nice for taking some of the impact out of cruising the downhills. But I tried a pair of their road shoes this winter in hopes of having a similarly positive expressions and found that I was uncomfortable with the lack of contact that I felt between my feet and the ground. I guess I'd probably get used to it but I'm just so much more comfortable in my Brooks when I'm on the road or flat trails.

Got home from my run before 9:30 this morning and it was already getting toasty. Gonna be a scorcher here along the front range today!

[GiBo]

Pool running anyone? It was 106 when I got home last night. It was my run night, but 100 is my cut off temp. So I thought, "I wonder if I can run in place in the pool?" So I googled it, and, of course, it's a thing! So I tried it. I used my kayak vest and ran in the deep end. Pretty cool actually (pun semi-intended). Kind of boring, but I have TV out on the patio, so I watched/listened to the evening news and got my run in. Anyone done this?

[evdog]

I've heard that swimming is good exercise too!

[GiBo]

I did that too!

[jgb@etree]

Pool running anyone? It was 106 when I got home last night. It was my run night, but 100 is my cut off temp. So I thought, "I wonder if I can run in place in the pool?" So I googled it, and, of course, it's a thing! So I tried it. I used my kayak vest and ran in the deep end. Pretty cool actually (pun semi-intended). Kind of boring, but I have TV out on the patio, so I watched/listened to the evening news and got my run in. Anyone done this?

Never heard of anyone doing it that way, but when I was in high school & college I used to run in knee deep water along the beach during the summer and it was a monster workout. And running on dry sand works the shit out of your calves.

Just re-entered the world of running after a 15 year hiatus. It's been 3 weeks and I'm just forcing myself to run 3mi in <25mins every other day. It seems to be working as I ran yesterday, and actually wanted to run today so I added a little extra stretch to make it an honest 5k. Did it in 24:28 which doesn't seem so bad considering I haven't really done anything even remotely athletic other than skiing since my leg got mangled 15yrs ago.

[2bjenny]

When I was swimming with a masters group at Bentley College there was occasionally someone from the track team that would be pool running in the diving well. Not sure if it was due to injury or what.

[GrantN]

Pool running anyone? It was 106 when I got home last night. It was my run night, but 100 is my cut off temp. So I thought, "I wonder if I can run in place in the pool?" So I googled it, and, of course, it's a thing! So I tried it. I used my kayak vest and ran in the deep end. Pretty cool actually (pun semi-intended). Kind of boring, but I have TV out on the patio, so I watched/listened to the evening news and got my run in. Anyone done this?

Back when I did track, we would do a pool in bellybutton-chest deep as one of our winter training days. It was difficult, but not if you follow in the other persons wake, cause then you are just following their current. Also, Not many took it seriously...for various pool/hot tub/ related reasons[emoji6]

[billyk]

I dig the Hoka trail shoes that I bought last year (though they haven't been very durable) for jogging some of the 14ers and other similarly rocky trails. They've been super nice for taking some of the impact out of cruising the downhills. But I tried a pair of their road shoes this winter in hopes of having a similarly positive expressions and found that I was uncomfortable with the lack of contact that I felt between my feet and the ground. I guess I'd probably get used to it but I'm just so much more comfortable in my Brooks when I'm on the road or flat trails.

Got home from my run before 9:30 this morning and it was already getting toasty. Gonna be a scorcher here along the front range today!

I should have paid attention to this post. I did the same thing. I liked the Challenger trail shoes so much that I bought a pair of Bondi 4 road shoes. My feet are not taking to them. A LOT more cushioning than the trail shoes, and my arches feel like they are being stretched or something due to all the give. Anyway, going to pull the Bondis out of the lineup for awhile.

[OldLarry]

In for nyc again this fall- anyone else?

[Cruiser]

What's your training schedule gonna look like for that, Larry?

[GeezerSteve]

my arches feel like they are being stretched or something due to all the give.

Are you using an orothic, e.g., custom, Superfeet or Sole?

[I've seen black diamonds!]

My left achilles/calf tends to give me problems when I do more miles on hilly trails. How do I fix this? Eccentric heel drops? Anything else?

Not quite sure what is the source of the problem. My left side is not as strong as my right and my left foot is more prone to overpronation. Mobility seems similar for both sides, I think.

[Viva]

My left achilles/calf tends to give me problems when I do more miles on hilly trails....Not quite sure what is the source of the problem.

You have weak legs.

[OldLarry]

What's your training schedule gonna look like for that, Larry?

Nothing too crazy- mostly 5 milers during the week with a weekday off (Monday or Friday) and long runs on the weekend ramping up to 20 milers. 3 20s in alternate weekends at the end, so 15 one Saturday, 20 the next, 18, then 20, 18,20, taper (8?), 26.2.

I'm more of a get her dun kinda marathoner.

I just want to come in somewhere close to 4:00:00. So far I have run a 3:51, a 4:00:00(seriously) and two 4:01: somethings. If I can maintain that I'll be happy-

[billyk]

Are you using an orothic, e.g., custom, Superfeet or Sole?

Not in the Bondis. I suppose I could try that, since I have Superfeet green inserts that I use in other shoes. Thanks for the idea.

[Swine]

My left achilles/calf tends to give me problems when I do more miles on hilly trails. How do I fix this? Eccentric heel drops? Anything else?

Not quite sure what is the source of the problem. My left side is not as strong as my right and my left foot is more prone to overpronation. Mobility seems similar for both sides, I think.

What Viva said, but many people including some burly ultra runners I know have recurring achilles issues. And they are not weak. I also have issues with my achilles and changing from a forefoot strike to a midfoot has helped immensely (I had to get more padded shoes to accomplish this). I also have been having REALLY good experiences with calf compression sleeves. Specifically the Compressport with silicon stabilization. They're relatively expensive but I've been able to put more miles down pain free recently than in the past. I'm pretty sold on compression at this point.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

You have weak legs.

Any chance you could be more specific? I have a wrestling background, and I've done my share of squats and deadlifts and continue to lift a couple times a week (Romanian split squats with dumbells have been the focus recently). Of course this sort of strength doesn't make me a strong trail runner. Any advice on what might be the weak link and how to address it? Calves and glutes?

I also have issues with my achilles and changing from a forefoot strike to a midfoot has helped immensely (I had to get more padded shoes to accomplish this).

I definitely have a less consistent foot strike on the left and getting shoes with a bigger heel has crossed my mind. But the shoes are comfortable on roads and flatter trails. I'll add that I don't have an issue with going downhill. It's going up that feels bad. It feels like my left leg suspension is bottoming out, if that makes sense. Right leg feels great.