Running, Anyone...?

[GeezerSteve]

We had a dozen 100K or 100-mile ultra finishers at our wedding reception Saturday night

[Harry]

This thread got me motivated and off my ass. Thanks everybody. Today I did the following:

Walk 1 mile with elevation gain from 7500 ft up to 8500 feet.
Run 1 mile with slight elevation loss, 8500 to 8200 ft.
Turn around.
Run/walk the 1 mile back up to 8500 ft. (About 50/50 mix)
Run the 1 mile back down to 7500 ft. (Some walking due to snow & ice).
4 miles total.

I feel really good that I did this, it is over 20 years since I did any running. No ghey spandex tights for me, I was wearing Carhardt's and 10 year old Brooks shoes.

My goal is to be able to run this whole circuit by July 1. I will update.

Edit: also plan to get some new shoes. Brooks Adrenaline seem to suit me well, but open to suggestions. As I am a running JONG I plan to go to the running store in downtown Bozeman and get their take. I have a Morton's Neuroma in one foot and shoe fit is critical (wide shoes).

[hutash]

Speaking of ghey spandex, what are opinions on compression shorts/pants/socks? I have run in my Opedex ski tights in cold weather and they do seem to decrease muscle fatigue, but it may just be my imagination.

I'll leave the Carhatt bibs to you Montuckians, That canvas must really chaff your balls and ass

[Viva]

This thread got me motivated and off my ass. Thanks everybody. Today I did the following:

A fine fucking start!

Speaking of ghey spandex, what are opinions on compression shorts/pants/socks? .....they do seem to decrease muscle fatigue, but it may just be my imagination.

Plenty of folks believe in, and rely, on compression clothing. The idea is that such clothing suppresses the leg and butt muscle vibration incurred following foot plant. Never tried it myself, but my ol' friend Ben used to put on tights under his shorts when I paced him at Angeles Crest 100. He'd do this at mile 75 (Chantry Flats aid station) and I would "lend a shoulder to lean on" when he did this. So much for "what happens at AC, stays at AC"

[GeezerSteve]

They seem to help for long runs. I've been pondering wearing my Zensah leg sleeves for my spring 50Ks

Strong work, Harry

[Dantheman]

My goal is to be able to run this whole circuit by July 1. I will update.

I wouldn't get too hung up on running the whole thing. 1,000 ft/mile is a fairly stout grade. You can power hike it 90% as fast as you can run it, and you'll be about 10% as fatigued when you get to the top. Focus on improving your overall start-to-finish time.

Speaking of ghey spandex, what are opinions on compression shorts/pants/socks? I have run in my Opedex ski tights in cold weather and they do seem to decrease muscle fatigue, but it may just be my imagination.

If you search PubMed for "compression shorts" or "compression garments" there have been quite a few studies done on this topic. I haven't dug into the full text of any of them, but the abstracts suggest that the benefits range from mild to non-existent. At the very least the shorts and tights work well to prevent chaffing, and when you get into long distances the mental aspect becomes so important that even placebo/psychological benefits can make a big difference.

[Cruiser]

Ticked off 20 miles this week. 1 good 10 miler outside and 2 5ers on the treadmill while the baby was napping. It's the most mileage I've been able to manage in a week since I started running regularly about 9 months ago. Feels great!

[hutash]

Jogging stroller?...kids love that shit.

I can't stand indoor training, e.g. tread mills or trainers. Cycling rollers are a little better only because if you screw up you crash which keeps it a little more interesting.

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

My goal is to be able to run this whole circuit by July 1. I will update.

Edit: also plan to get some new shoes. Brooks Adrenaline seem to suit me well, but open to suggestions. As I am a running JONG I plan to go to the running store in downtown Bozeman and get their take. I have a Morton's Neuroma in one foot and shoe fit is critical (wide shoes).

Bozeman Running Company is great in my limited experience.

I just got into running last year so I'm no expert, but Bozeman has a ridiculous amount of road and trail races and events and it was a huge help to sign up for them and have them on my calendar all summer. I'd highly recommend signing up for one - if you're just getting started the Sweet Pea 5k in August would be an easy target to keep you motivated.

[Cruiser]

Jogging stroller?...kids love that shit.

I can't stand indoor training, e.g. tread mills or trainers. Cycling rollers are a little better only because if you screw up you crash which keeps it a little more interesting.

We've got 4 kids so the logistics are kinda complicated. But I have a tv / roku right there in the workout room so the treadmill and elliptical don't get too monotonous.

[carpathian]

This thread has a ton of good info! Interesting reading the stuff on lower heart rate exercise leading to faster runs.

I have been on a pretty good training program the last two months, the most consistent since high school. I am always inspired to run while here in Hawaii. It is funny because I came here to surf but have fallen back in love with aerobic training. Especially here in Kona with all of these Iron Man types running around (literally) crazy tanned cruising down the highway in 90 deg.

I don't want to really do the iron man per se but I sure do like training in the heat. I am 34 and feeling the ebb of interest in adrenaline sports and leaning back towards safer cardio pursuits. Besides isn't mid 30's to forties like just the beginning of 'old man strength' ?

For the first month here I was jobless so timing was easy. Go to beach/resort, leave family to swim as I go run up coast or down coast and until I calculated that I was about half way to dying of heat stroke then turn around. Holy Heat! I can last barely 30 minutes total. Must have body of water waiting to immediately cool off. Feels like head is 130 degrees.

Truly stunning going north out of Waikaloa Hilton along the along lava cliffs and blue water and green gold courses.

We are living 1.7 miles up moderately pitched road with 800ish foot gain. 4-5 days week get dropped off at bottom of road and have to run home. Started at 20 min then down to 17 then 15 ish. The hot hell is more endurable.

One month ago got job doing residential construction about 10 miles from home. I bought old GT mtn bike with slicks to commute. So now I am doing 100 miles a week on bike (on Iron man route!) with solid hill climb every night AFTER working in heat all day. whew!

Doing one long run on week end now. Legs feel like they have crazy kick.

I am going on theory of 'little bit every day, but not too hard' still building base. Training mountain run season in alaska. I leave here may 27, first race is may 28. PLan on going from 85deg to 50deg. see how that works out...

http://www.alaskamountainrunners.org/calendar.htm

Want to do all of Grand Prix series. But also want to do Kincaid Tuesday night mountain bike race series. So it would be like 12 races over 3 months… too much?

The big running race is the Crow Creek Crossing

http://www.goseawolves.com/ViewArtic...CLID=207565375

Seems like lsd or mushrooms would be handy in these longer races. (on top of training) Anyone know from experience?

And finally, has the debate been settled between the Born to Run/ minimalist crowd and the Hoka crowd? I think I would like the Hokas.

[hutash]

I just got into running last year so I'm an expert,

Come on, man, this is TGR. Get with the program.

[GeezerSteve]

Anybody running Chuckanut 50K on Saturday? I'll be heading the sweep team for the 13th consecutive year. Samtheman ran it a few years ago.

[bagtagley]

Completely lost my drive. The flat 50k was just supposed to be a mid-training confidence race before the big game. Turns out, it sapped my motivation. I took time off post race and gradually ramped back up, but I can't stay consistent. I'll likely bail on the April race and shoot for something early summer...if anything at all.

I rarely have motivation issues, but I've skipped two key long runs, and the weirdest part is that I don't care. I'm relieved after deciding not to run the race. I've motivated to do a couple track days and a hill day, but the thought of running slow is completely unappealing.

Right now, I'm really enjoying slacking, and all I can think about is riding my bike. I'm going to go with it for now. Looking forward to a slack summer full of camping, river trips and mountain biking, with maybe a 5k or two peppered in. Of course that could all change next week.

[GeezerSteve]

Of course that could all change next week.

I hope it does. You don't need to be a hero. Get your ass to the start line and settle into an all day pace, walk the uphills, jog the flats, don't cook your quads on the downs, stay hydrated and salted (e.g., Succeed tabs), and keep something in the tank for the homestretch. My most fun ultras have been at shuffle pace on nothing more than general training, e.g., ski touring, hiking, mountaineering, urban runs.

[fool]

For some (running) motivation, "The Perfect Mile" is a GREAT book. It's the story of the competition between Roger Bannister, John Landy, and Wes Sandee in trying to break the four minute mile in the '50s. Super humbling in reading their amazing times and training regimes, especially as Bannister was in medical school while trying to break four. Just a great story.

http://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Mile-A...ur+minute+mile

[neufox47]

Get to start running again after an ankle injury had me sidelined for months. I've still been touring and riding the bike so conditioning is still there. Starting with 1 mile on the Dr's orders. Excited to get back.

[sfotex]

Completely lost my drive.

Open up Google earth, find some place/trail you've never been to and go hit it... that works for me.

[shroom]

my normal routine is 4 miles in the gym + lifting, or just under 7 miles if it isnt raining (maybe 2x a week here) outside. i took off 5 days over last week/weekend for a trip to the east coast. my legs been sore to the touch every day this week. every day im tighter than normal as i start running. wtf?

on another note, have any of you fools been running consistently for a long time, like decades? I did min. 8 miles 6-7 days/week for about 4 years and made myself tone it back a few years ago for the sake of not destroying my body. im hoping the current ~30min/day im at now is somewhat sustainable 'til im ready to get fat. what say you?

[mtngirl79]

How many crippled runners do you know, shroom?

[shroom]

[carpathian]

I put 1100 miles on bike in 9 weeks commuting to work on top of 180 miles of running in the last 12 weeks. Started swimming out the Ironman course in the last couple of weeks to mix things up. Who knew swimming half a mile was so far??!! Swam through a huge fish ball today was cool. #backcountryswimming

Went from 225 lbs to 208, feeling good and addicted.

[Cruiser]

Got 13.5 perfectly sunny miles yesterday morning on my favorite combo of trails right out my front door. Fan-fkna-tastic! Flowers were blooming. Birds were chirping. All was right with the world. I never thought I'd enjoy running as much as this.

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How many crippled runners do you know, shroom?

almost all of them

[GeezerSteve]

Speed cripples. Runners who try to keep running fast as they age are more likely to get crippled. OTOH, runners who slow down to jogging/shuffling pace as they age hold up very well. I know 200+ people who have run ultramarathons for years who are going strong, albeit slower.