Running, Anyone...?

**Viva** · 08-20-2007, 03:46 PM

I paced 48 miles at Leadville back in 94 and didn't care for it much. Going up and over Hope Pass was tits, but a lot of the remainder of the course hurled, IMHO.

Sugarloaf...those buzzing powerlines...at 10,000 ft....in the dark...!!!! Pinchaloaf would be a better name.

I'd come back out to pace you or another Maggot/friend, however.

**Artie Fufkin** · 08-20-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Viva

Sugarloaf...those buzzing powerlines...at 10,000 ft....in the dark...!!!! Pinchaloaf would be a better name.

I'd come back out to pace you or another Maggot/friend, however.

I left with the runner from the fish hatchery at 11:00PM so I got the full effect of the buzzing powerlines in the dark.

I hung out at Twin Lakes during the day and I saw the winner, Anton Krupicka-16:11, go through the aid station, he was freakin flying, he shaved 45 minutes off of his time last year! The 2nd place runner was a couple hours behind.

I'll keep you in mind if I am looking for pacer....

**steve** · 08-20-2007, 05:11 PM

I just registered for a marathon - this upcoming friday!
hehe..

got the morning (not the afternoon) off work.

-steve

**DrGonzo** · 08-20-2007, 09:07 PM

I've never been much for trail running, but did 6 miles above Durango last Friday.

Just as I was finishing the run, coming up the road to get back to the house I was staying at, I came nearly face to face with a black bear. A friend had come across one earlier that day as well.

I want to do more trails, but that shit, not to mention the mountain lions, scares me to death.

**BeanDip4All** · 08-21-2007, 06:36 AM

Got coach clearance for the VT50-miler Sept '08. So it's on!

Who's coming with me [/jerry maguire] Roadtrip, Steve, ValleyGirl, Mrryde, Tuckerman, et all?

**Tuckerman** · 08-21-2007, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by BeanDip4All

Got coach clearance for the VT50-miler Sept '08. So it's on!

Who's coming with me [/jerry maguire] Roadtrip, Steve, ValleyGirl, Mrryde, Tuckerman, et all?

See you there.

**steve** · 08-21-2007, 07:21 AM

re: 50 miles 2008..

fkna.

**BeanDip4All** · 08-21-2007, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

See you there.

YOU'RE GOIN DOWN, T-BOY!!!!!!!!

**mrryde** · 08-21-2007, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by BeanDip4All

Got coach clearance for the VT50-miler Sept '08. So it's on!

Who's coming with me [/jerry maguire] Roadtrip, Steve, ValleyGirl, Mrryde, Tuckerman, et all?

im in ........

**Tuckerman** · 08-21-2007, 11:45 AM

We'll see, I've only been girled once so far this season.

**mrryde** · 08-21-2007, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

We'll see, I've only been girled once so far this season.

i feel sorry for you

**steve** · 08-21-2007, 11:57 AM

50 Mile Runner's Description by Zeke Zucker

The race starts at Ascutney Mountain Resort in Brownsville. For the first 4 miles racers will be on smooth gravel roads, one mile down, two on the level and the fourth one up. Now it's time to get to work, when you get onto 2+ miles of snowmobile-ATV trail which is fairly steep at the outset. Another road segment, hilly this time, followed by more trail miles.

After the aid station at the Skunk Hollow Tavern (@12 mi.), the next 8 mile stretch includes less than 2 on trail. Enjoy it because it's going to change. A key feature of this course is the fact that it pretty much alternates between road and trail and gives you plenty of hills to deal with.

At mile 20 you'll encounter 1812' Garvin Hill, the highest point in Hartland, and wind up over and around it before heading back south on more trails and gravel roads. This includes a long descent of Densmore Hill Road, part of the revised 100 mile course, and then back up an equally long hill trail. At about 28 miles you come out onto Reeves Rd., where the 50K route hooks back in. Now there's over 2 miles of fairly decent terrain road, passing Smoke Rise Farm, but, of course, followed by more canopied trail. Be aware that the great majority of the trails on the course are quite ride able / run able with little in the way of rocks or roots. Almost all are part of the Green Mountain Horse Association trail network and are well maintained.

Another brief road segment is followed by a weaving route through the woods and meadow around Blood Hill, some steeps near the 100 finish area and a climb over a 1,600' attention getter. In the last 11 miles the only road pieces you'll be seeing will be one, then a half and then a quarter mile long, respectively.

You can pick up a pacer at Goodman's (mile 42) but they have to ride on the shuttle to get there. The rest of the way is all trail, which gets progressively tougher, entering on the cross country network at mile 46 and from the last aid station at 47.3, you're criss crossing the lower Alpine slopes on mostly grassy trails.

It's worth all the effort you've expended when you can finally look down at the finish line by the base lodge and pound/pedal your way down a quarter mile of blessed downhill. For those familiar with the Vermont 100 course, the 50 Mile is basically superimposed on the last third of it and actually shares less than 10 miles of it. Almost 60% of the 50 Mile is on trails or jeep roads. It's a challenging course, with good footing/traction, plenty of hills and classic Vermont scenery that will knock your socks off.

For the statistically-inclined, there is about 8,900' of vertical in the 50 Mile.

**steve** · 08-21-2007, 11:59 AM

PS, here's the web site
http://www.vermont50.com/

**steve** · 08-24-2007, 02:07 PM

i ran a marathon this morning.

i think i deserve to wear this medal the rest of the day. maybe all day tomorrow, too. what do you think?

**Tuckerman** · 08-24-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by steve

i ran a marathon this morning.

i think i deserve to wear this medal the rest of the day. maybe all day tomorrow, too. what do you think?

I think I'll need more details. Like whats the medal say "1# Boy"?

**steve** · 08-24-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

I think I'll need more details. Like whats the medal say "1# Boy"?

standard marathon medal.

Self-Transendence
Marathon
August 24, 2007

**Viva** · 08-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by steve

Self-Transendence
Marathon
August 24, 2007

Is this one of those Sri Chinmoy dealys?

**steve** · 08-24-2007, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Viva

Is this one of those Sri Chinmoy dealys?

yup.

5678

**mrryde** · 08-27-2007, 07:43 AM

Lets talk about run/walking

Friday I ran my local trail and finished a loop in 39 minutes. I wasn't completely spent, but I also didn't feel great either.

I thought about trying a different approach yesterday. I decided to run 3 minutes and walk 1. I did this and ended up finishing in 40 minutes, but felt much better and did a second loop. Although a little slower at 44 minutes for the second loop, i felt i could do a 3rd.

Anybody follow a similar approach for longer runs?

Is run/walking for pussies?

**topwater** · 08-27-2007, 10:57 AM

i think the run/walk way is valid depending on your goals. a lot of people have used this training technique to finish races doing minimal mileage in training.

for me, i prefer to run all my runs... even if the long runs end up being at a relatively slow pace (such as my long trail runs). i have a half marathon coming up in october(moab) and imo running during all my training will give me the best chance at finishing at my goal time (1:35).

there's many ways to finish the distance. i'd pick what works best for you and your goals. if you are struggling with the long runs, you could try run/walking or try slowing down since for many the long runs are just time on your feet building up endurance.

**Artie Fufkin** · 09-15-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by mrryde

Lets talk about run/walking

Friday I ran my local trail and finished a loop in 39 minutes. I wasn't completely spent, but I also didn't feel great either.

I thought about trying a different approach yesterday. I decided to run 3 minutes and walk 1. I did this and ended up finishing in 40 minutes, but felt much better and did a second loop. Although a little slower at 44 minutes for the second loop, i felt i could do a 3rd.

Anybody follow a similar approach for longer runs?

Is run/walking for pussies?

I don't think so. I did a 50K trail "run" today and run/walking works for me. I walk/power hike climbs, it is more efficient for me than trying to run up hills. Other than the 6 miles of level trail(which was above 12,000') which I was able to run, I ran/walk the all of the climbing and descending. My knee and ankle were screwed up, so I ended up doing more walking at the end.

But it felt pretty good to do a 30 mile trail run, the low elevation was 9,000' and the high elevation was 12,300', there was 4,500' of ascending and 4,500' of descending. Despite imploding over the last 10 miles I was still able to get it done in 6:25.

Time to drink......

**steve** · 09-23-2007, 08:53 PM

i am a gaper. i gape across finish lines.

completed the pfalz point challenge in under two hours - 1:58:xx to be exact - much better than i thought i would. the ten-mile trail race through mohonk (the gunks) is 90% carriage roads, 10% singletrack, mostly non-technical. There is about 2000 feet of elevation gain and the same amount of loss. beautiful. It went by so quickly, I felt like I was in a 10K, not a 10-miler. I am loving trail running more and more, and this was my first trail race. Can't wait for the next one.

-steve

**steve** · 10-04-2007, 06:12 PM

Just got a note that they're thinking of adding a 100K option to the Vermont 100 miler. Date is July 19th.

Got me intrigued - Thinking about doing that before a 50-miler next fall. Since it coincides with a 100-miler, there will probably be very late cut-offs.

There's plenty of time to train for it..

hmmm...

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**Stu Gotz** · 10-05-2007, 08:55 AM

Steve,

congratulations on your wonderful accomplishments.

These are few races I have run which you might consider in your trail running quest. (And are in the general vicinity of NYC)

Damn Wakely Dam Ultra - beautiful self-supported run through the Adirondacks. http://www.wakelydam.com/

Escarpment Trail Run - This is a wacky 30K trail run (or walk). Expect to leave a little blood on the trail. http://escarpmenttrail.com/

Nipmuck Trail Marathon - Nice trail marathon - http://www.marathonguide.com/sites/nipmucktrail/

Good luck!