Running, Anyone...?

[Dantheman]

Great job! Sounds like a pretty wicked run. Holding back at the beginning is hard to do, yet so worthwhile. And like you said, getting off slow and picking off people at the end is waaaay better than starting fast and getting passed (regardless if you finish in the exact same time!).

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[steve]

today I completed a goal of running for 21 consecutive days.

the goal was to establish a habit.
the result was I hate running and will never run again.

-steve

(ps at least until sunday)

[mrryde]

why do that. junk miles are ok in my book, but recovery days are equally important. I have been Spinning and Swimming on my non running days and by body has thanked me.

[road trip]

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Oh snap... sorry dude! I had injury issues working up to my first marathon last year. IT Band was causing me nasty knee pain and I didn't figure out what it was until it was too late... led to some issues in the race. This year, I know to do prophylactic stretching to avoid a recurrence.

I haven't even heard of half of those things that are cited on the running board as injuries, so now whenever I have the slightest tweak of something, I become paranoid.

Good luck and heal up.

[steve]

why do that. junk miles are ok in my book, but recovery days are equally important. I have been Spinning and Swimming on my non running days and by body has thanked me.

i did it to try to establish a habit of running.
i've been ok with recovery, although I had to seriously ramp down my daily mileage this week because i was starting to feel a tad overtrained..

I just kind of got sick of the daily grind. These past few days I went out just to not break the streak, and each day kind of sucked.

looking forward to a day off tomorrow.

thinking about something kind of big next week - details to come.

[mrryde]

i am doing a 14 mile trail run tomorrow, that will be big enough for me

[Tuckerman]

Looks like next year will have some fun races. First the RD for the Jay Challenge sent out an email saying the next year he will be putting on a 7K river run. And apparently in Pittsfield Vermont this 200 miles

It gives me great pleasure to announce to you that the first annual New England 100 Mile Endurance Run will take place in 2008. We have 2 other exciting races piggybacking on this event. One is the 50K option for anyone looking for the shorter distance. And the other is what we're considering to be one HELLACIOUS race... as we offer a 200 Mile Option. Myself and Andy Weinberg (McNaughton Park) are your passionate race directors.

We are currently working on pinpointing the course and attaining all of the necessary permits. I do want to extend some information to the running community... so that you all can begin planning your 2008 race and training schedules.

The race will take place in Pittsfield Vermont which is about 10 Miles North of Killington along Route 100. We hold various events here each year which include a Snowshoe Marathon and a June 50 Miler for runners.

We're aiming for Late October/Early November for a date. Yes...I know there is the possibility of snow and COLD. COME PREPARED, we run rain, snow, sleet or shine. We also need to wedge our event between 2 big hunting weekends in the State of Vermont. Once we firm things up, we'll let you know and open registration.

I'm currently working on the course. We are planning to have a LOOP course with loops of either 25 to 30 miles. 100 Milers are also likely to climb around 20,000' of elevation and descend as much as well. 200 Milers will run the SAME course.. with over 40,000' of elevation gain and loss. You WILL cry..

The reason we have chosen a loop course is because of a variety of variables. We really want to keep everyone in close so we can have better control over any possible emergencies given the weather, terrain and any medical issues. Whatever we do come up with for you folks.. I'm certain you will love. If anyone is interested in running in Pittsfield with me in the coming months and spring/summer 2008.. please get in touch with me. Would love the company and give you a glimpse of the area.

We look forward to seeing many of you in Vermont next year for this amazing event. We really do hope some of you come challenge yourselves on the 200 Mile course...

Yours in Running (and craziness)
Sherpa John

[road trip]

...in Pittsfield Vermont this 200 miles

Oh good god! That is insane. There will be, what, 3 people running it? Isn't Vermont 300 miles long?

Did 16 miles in 2 hours yesterday... something liberating about running in the rain! It seems that all the runners in my town were out as well. Actually, when I started it was perfect for running... maybe a light, light drizzle, overcast and cool.... but by the time I finished, it was a nice steady rain.

My weekly running fitness question:

So, it seems when I finish my runs lately (longer runs specifically), my digestive tract/stomach is in knots... I visit Mr. Bathroom often and generally feel like I need to curl up in the fetal position. I'm running well and feel fine on the road... it's only when I get in do I start to feel crappy. All I was thinking would be that I should do more core workouts... anybody??

[Viva]

What do you eat and/or drink during these long runs. How hot was it?

[road trip]

What do you eat and/or drink during these long runs. How hot was it?

Drink water during the run; generally don't eat anything during the runs but have a full breakfast a few hours prior and a banana during the "in between" hours. Perhaps I should bring something to eat on the run? As mentioned either earlier in this thread or in another thread, I do use the Clif Bar Shot Blocks on longer runs (that said, I guess 16 miles should have qualified as longer). Temp was actually perfect yesterday... low to mid 60s, drizzling.. no sun. Two weeks ago for the NYC 1/2, had it happen as well... cool to start, but warm by the finish.

edit: co-worker said first modification should be to drink more water while running; if you rule that out as a cause, then look towards something else.

[Dantheman]

Oh good god! That is insane. There will be, what, 3 people running it?

If that. Last year 3 people attempted to solo the Wasatch Back (Logan to Park City, 176 miles). One guy dropped out after about 70 miles with really bad cramps, but the other two finished...in 46 hours Apparently they experienced some pretty wild hallucinations along the way but still trucked on. No one attempted it this year.

[Dantheman]

Drink water during the run; generally don't eat anything during the runs but have a full breakfast a few hours prior and a banana during the "in between" hours. Perhaps I should bring something to eat on the run? As mentioned either earlier in this thread or in another thread, I do use the Clif Bar Shot Blocks on longer runs (that said, I guess 16 miles should have qualified as longer). Temp was actually perfect yesterday... low to mid 60s, drizzling.. no sun. Two weeks ago for the NYC 1/2, had it happen as well... cool to start, but warm by the finish.

edit: co-worker said first modification should be to drink more water while running; if you rule that out as a cause, then look towards something else.

I would probably switch from water to something with some sugar and electrolytes (gatorade, powerade, accelerade, etc.), just drinking more water sounds like a recipe for water intoxication. Shot Blocks/Gu/etc. are good too, and I also like to cut up energy bars into bite size pieces and pop a piece or two periodically. As a general rule I bring calories along on anything longer than 10-12 miles depending on the strenuousness of the route.

[Viva]

but have a full breakfast a few hours prior and a banana during the "in between" hours.

Maybe you're eating too much and that's why you're in knots and why your GI system is trying to expel everything.

If I run mornings, I usually don't eat or eat very little (i.e., a bagel or a jelly-filled dougnut. I'll carry a Cliff Bar during the run.

For 16 or more miles, I'll also have an electrolyte solution rather than water, or a bottle of erectolyte and a bottle of water.

[steve]

If that. Last year 3 people attempted to solo the Wasatch Back (Logan to Park City, 176 miles). One guy dropped out after about 70 miles with really bad cramps, but the other two finished...in 46 hours Apparently they experienced some pretty wild hallucinations along the way but still trucked on. No one attempted it this year.

at least two on the list have already responded with enthusiastic affirmatives to the 200-mile option.

with a 60-hour time limit..
40,000 vertical feet.

oof..

-steve

[BeanDip4All]

i am doing a 14 mile trail run tomorrow, that will be big enough for me

how did it go?

Looks like next year will have some fun races. First the RD for the Jay Challenge sent out an email saying the next year he will be putting on a 7K river run. And apparently in Pittsfield Vermont this 200 miles

holy crap, 200 miles.

I leave for IMLOU on Thursday morning.

what's everyone's 2008 race schedules look like?
Mine is shaping up, so far it's looking to be:
March- Harriman tris in NY
April- either Paris marathon or Nashville marathon
June- Mooseman 1/2iron in Lake Winni NH
July- Ironman Lake Placid

might throw in a longer run (50k? 50m?) depending if I get coach approval. I'm starting with a new coach for next year which I am excited about... she seems more "basic" and less of the frou frou V02 max etc stuff that I don't really utilize with my current coach.

[steve]

might throw in a longer run (50k? 50m?) depending if I get coach approval. I'm starting with a new coach for next year which I am excited about... she seems more "basic" and less of the frou frou V02 max etc stuff that I don't really utilize with my current coach.

yup. vermont 50-mile ultramarathon in sepetember 2008 (the one that runs in conjunction with the 50-mile mountain bike race that always has a few maggots participating.)

your coach *has* to let you do it. under duress, if necessary.

any other maggots interested?
there's a 50k (31 mile) option too..

-steve

[BeanDip4All]

also, one thing that could be cool is to pick a "maggot race" for '08 and we can all plan to run it together and meet up... and of course go drinking afterwards....

there seem to be a lot of people in this thread from the eastern seaboard... any ideas? maybe something in May? not sure if enough people would want to do a tri, but we could do a marathon, or half-mary, or something....

[Tuckerman]

yup. vermont 50-mile ultramarathon in sepetember 2008 (the one that runs in conjunction with the 50-mile mountain bike race that always has a few maggots participating.)

your coach *has* to let you do it. under duress, if necessary.

any other maggots interested?
there's a 50k (31 mile) option too..

-steve

I'm doing the 50K this year and maybe to 50M next year. I also may do the Mooseman just because its in the neighborhood. The Timberman was this last weekend but sold out very fast. Maybe the Vt 50 would be a good Maggot race it would also involve some the the bike racers on the board.

[Viva]

I'm doing a 50K next month (My first race in 6 years) and then running a 50 miler two weeks later in order to qualify for Western States in 08.

So, my putative schedule for the next year assuming I qualify for Western States may look something like:

September: Nobel Cyn. 50K

October: Le Grizz 50

December: Ridgecrest 50K (maybe)

January: Avalon 50 and, maybe, San Diego marathon

March: Los Angeles marathon (probably not)

April: American River 50 or Leona Divide 50 (Hey, maybe both if they're at least 2 weeks apart!)

May: Pacific Crest Trail 50

June: Holcomb Valley 50K (maybe) and Western States 100

September: Angeles Crest 100

[steve]

I understand that the lottery for WS is getting harder and harder as its popularity isn't exactly going down the tubes..

good luck with that.

screw all those other races though.. if you get in, go for the grand slam. i'll pace you in vermont. (:

-steve

[Viva]

good luck with that.

Thanks. Nothing's guaranteed, but I have certain connections as well as a long history at that race.

[steve]

Thanks. Nothing's guaranteed, but I have certain connections as well as a long history at that race.

fantastic!

it's great to know people..
maybe i'll fly out and pace you there. (:

-steve

[Tuckerman]

I'm doing a 50K next month (My first race in 6 years) and then running a 50 miler two weeks later in order to qualify for Western States in 08.

Whats the qualifying time?

[Viva]

Whats the qualifying time?

For me either a sub 9 hour or sub 10 hour in a trail 50.

[Artie Fufkin]

I'm doing a 50K next month (My first race in 6 years) and then running a 50 miler two weeks later in order to qualify for Western States in 08.

So, my putative schedule for the next year assuming I qualify for Western States may look something like:

September: Nobel Cyn. 50K

October: Le Grizz 50

December: Ridgecrest 50K (maybe)

January: Avalon 50 and, maybe, San Diego marathon

March: Los Angeles marathon (probably not)

April: American River 50 or Leona Divide 50 (Hey, maybe both if they're at least 2 weeks apart!)

May: Pacific Crest Trail 50

June: Holcomb Valley 50K (maybe) and Western States 100

September: Angeles Crest 100

That's a burly schedule. I was up at Leadville this past weekend and paced someone the last 23 miles of the race, it was very cool. I'll go back next year to either pace or participate. We got in just under 25 hours so he got his belt buckle. He is also trying to complete the grand slam so this was his third of the four and all he has to do is complete the Wasatch 100 in a couple weeks.