Wellfare anyone?

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by The AD

If there's a loophole like you mentioned that allows them to buy tobacco and alcohol, that stinks.

hey don't be so tough on the consumer death industries. they give a huge amount of legal bribes (its called campagin contributions) to the republican party you know.

**acostiga** · 03-05-2004, 02:16 PM

martha stewart = found guilty on all charges

**mr_gyptian** · 03-05-2004, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Walter Sobchak
Are you trying to say that a Republican administration is all that's currently keeping us from becoming an Islamist theocracy, in response to my suggestion that you examine how your father's rebound from bankruptcy would have fared under policy changes proposed by the administration you so fervently defend?

If that's the gist of it, you're nuttier than a tin of almond roca.

the bankruptcy mention was in response to your post with the poverty line sob story. I'm not too sure about the Islamist theocracy prevention part. in relation to this thread.

**The AD** · 03-05-2004, 02:18 PM

And as long as he's going to throw out a bunch of stereotypes, how about a couple based on his opening statements:

For starters ...

(a) I don't go to the grocery store all that often.
(b) When I do go, I use cash. No credit cards. No debit cards.

a) He doesn't go to the grocery store because he leaves that to "the little lady" who also cooks the meals and does the laundry, as it should be.

b) He's old. But, hey, at least he doesn't write a check. Why the hell do people still write checks at the grocery store??

**bad_roo** · 03-05-2004, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Sublime
I see people cheat food stamps every damn day. It makes me want to puke thinking they are eating prime rib and lobster tails, while in my single parent household were eating chicken.

Chicken is nicer than lobster tails and prime rib put together.

STOP VHINING!

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Gotta kick out of this read, its just loaded with stereotypes that are oh so true..........

http://boortz.com/ads/plunder.html

since welfare is so evil to you, where is your outrage of corporate welfare? one example: government no bid contrtacts.. overcharges to the government by companies such as haliburton, bechtel boeing, mcdonald douglas.. i guess the egos of the people in these companies wasn't big enough to keep them out of the "grey: area eh??

**CaddyDaddy77** · 03-05-2004, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Perhaps you should look around you, these folks are "shacking" up with dealers. Of course they earn less than 20k, most of their income is not taxable, and since they are just "shacking" up the fuck buddy's income is not counted against them.

"shacking up with dealers?"

That's a pretty broad stereotype, don't you think?

Single parents that have low incomes are in this too, not every stereotype your imagining, with their "fuckbuddies"

Not slinging, just observing.

**iceman** · 03-05-2004, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by bad_roo
Chicken is nicer than lobster tails and prime rib put together.

You mean like chopped up and mixed together?

**SledNeck** · 03-05-2004, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by up an down
since welfare is so evil to you, where is your outrage of corporate welfare? one example: government no bid contrtacts.. overcharges to the government by companies such as haliburton, bechtel boeing, mcdonald douglas.. i guess the egos of the people in these companies wasn't big enough to keep them out of the "grey: area eh??

Can you stay on topic instead of bouncing around, nobody ever said corporate welfare is any better. But again I qualified "grey area" with the "wealthy" people that I know. aka Small Business Owners that have a nest-egg and also provide something to the community. Now your throwing red-herring like my wife.

**SledNeck** · 03-05-2004, 02:29 PM

That's a pretty broad stereotype, don't you think?

Just because something is a sterotype doesn't mean its not true... Friggin 1st Ammendment cop

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Now your throwing red-herring like my wife.

your wife is a fish?

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
But again I qualified "grey area" with the "wealthy" people that I know. aka Small Business Owners that have a nest-egg and also provide something to the community.

where are your numbers?

**Laght** · 03-05-2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
the bankruptcy mention was in response to your post with the poverty line sob story. I'm not too sure about the Islamist theocracy prevention part. in relation to this thread.

It is your argument Mister.
Albeit a lame tangential one.

Or is the pitiless mr_gyptian a collective?

**CaddyDaddy77** · 03-05-2004, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Just because something is a sterotype doesn't mean its not true... Friggin 1st Ammendment cop

Funny when we were kids the "truth" wasn't like that in my life.

Cop, no. Against labeling yes.

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Can you stay on topic instead of bouncing around, nobody ever said corporate welfare is any better.

silly me. i thought that welfare was welfare, and tax dollars were tax dollars... who knew welfare was so much different than welfare, and that a tax dollar wasted on a poor person was so much more costly than a tax dollar wasted on a corporation? thanks for opening our eyes to your fuzzy math. i never knew bush was such a math genius when he uttered that phrase before the last election

**SledNeck** · 03-05-2004, 02:54 PM

silly me. i thought that welfare was welfare, and tax dollars were tax dollars... who knew welfare was so much different than welfare, and that a tax dollar wasted on a poor person was so much more costly than a tax dollar wasted on a corporation? thanks for opening our eyes to your fuzzy math. i never knew bush was such a math genius when he uttered that phrase before the last election

Context of the whole discussion was bout welfare moms, had your argument been stronger perhaps you could have countered with something relevant. Thus you jumped to another argument just like a woman.

Fuzzy math, fuck you I've got BS in computer science and appplied math..............

**mr_gyptian** · 03-05-2004, 02:56 PM

To my knowledge my references were to christian laws. sorry for the confusion.

**iceman** · 03-05-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck

Fuzzy math, fuck you I've got BS in computer science and appplied math..............

Yet still you don't see that one plus one equals two...puzzling.

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Thus you jumped to another argument just like a woman.

you mean like a red herring, don't you?

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by SledNeck
Context of the whole discussion was bout welfare moms

sorry, i somehow missed the copyright mark on this thread that you started..... once again i ask where is your outrage against corporate welfare?. i can see your outrage against women quite clearly, and i can also see your hypocrisy just as clearly

**1080Rider** · 03-05-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by acostiga
ahem.... fyi: you're throwing plenty of it around all by yourself.

Painfully aware of that fact. Just a little pissed because this is the same shit that went down in the "kerry sex scandal" thread.

**up an down** · 03-05-2004, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by 1080Rider
Painfully aware of that fact. Just a little pissed because this is the same shit that went down in the "kerry sex scandal" thread.

wasn't it mr gyptian that started that thread, based on the online gossip ( since refuted as a lie) of the republican mouthpiece matt drudge?

**1080Rider** · 03-05-2004, 03:26 PM

I don't even know who started it. But at the beginning we were just talkin' about the media and wondering what would happen. It seems the media has investigated that deal and it doesn't seem to be much of an issue. I don't think anyone really cared one way or the other, it was mostly an interesting story. From there it became a flame war. I posted my opinion then was called names and shit for my opinions. That's bullshit. Again, if someone wants to talk about issues I'll be the first in line. If someone wants to call me names or bash me for my opinion then they can go blow goats.

**The AD** · 03-05-2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by 1080Rider
Again, if someone wants to talk about issues I'll be the first in line.

Here's something we can discuss:
http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Econ...g_goodrich.pdf

The scenario laid out on the first page is pretty interesting. It certainly helps explain to me why my wife and I pay so much in taxes.

Anyone with any counterpoints, fire away!

**1080Rider** · 03-05-2004, 03:56 PM

Sorry, I didn't read the whole thing. One thing I'd point out is that this is obviously some sort of propoganda, I don't know which side though, again, I didn't read it all.

One thing I will say is that the "man of leisure" had to get there the same way you or I do. Unless he's born to wealth, then someone in his family got and paid they're fair share. I've never been a proponent of the current tax system. I don't think it works well and penalizes people for succeeding. It also has many loopholes that people can use. I liked the rhetoric that went around a couple of elections ago about the flat rate income tax.

I do think it is beneficial for corps to get some incentive to make more products and create more jobs. Is that to say that they should do business for free, no.