Wellfare anyone?

[splat]

Good point on who gets it. As for social security - I wish everyone the best of luck on that.

[CaddyDaddy77]

Originally posted by SledNeck
For one, I'd never be caught high marking, I spent 20 years earning my turns, and have to much appreciation for the volatility of snowpack under skier weight, much less the added stress of 500 lbs and 120hp.

Now If I could not provide for my family because I was paralyzed, well Isn't that what Social Security is for, for which I've PAID my fair share. But that leads me to another question, is that not what wellfare was designed for in the first place. Those that can not provide for themselves, not those who refuse to provide for themselves.

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I would not hold my faith in SS, that's just myself I am younger and have paid a bit in, but when I get the SS updates showing my payments and possible benefits, I think I have a better chance with Powerball taking care of me.


Welfare is misused, foodstamps etc. unfortunately it's not a one shot deal, there are numerous avenues that affect Welfare and the problems it has. Solution???

[slim]

Originally posted by splat
Good point on who gets it. As for social security - I wish everyone the best of luck on that.

Indeed... we're all fucked. Well, at least those of us that aren't baby boomers are.

[CaddyDaddy77]

Ok, so more light-hearted, but here's some tales on the other side of the pond on unemployment.

BERLIN (Reuters) - A German court rejected a legal bid on Friday by an unemployed man who wanted the state to provide him with free pornography and trips to brothels because his wife is in Thailand.
The court in the southern town of Ansbach ruled that social services did not extend to satisfying the 43-year-old's sexual needs after he attempted to sue his local welfare office because it had refused to finance his appetite for prostitutes and porn.

"He wanted them to pay for four trips to the brothel a month, eight porn films a month, plus condoms," said court spokesman Peter Burgdorf. "He also wanted some sort of appliance for self-gratification to use when watching porn."

The man had earlier asked the Foreign Ministry to fly his wife back from her native Thailand, to which she had returned in 2002, saying that he could not afford the ticket.

"He said he needed the services to keep himself fit and healthy because his wife wasn't available," said Burgdorf. "Now he's planning to contest the decision in the court of appeal."

[1080Rider]

I think this is where conservatives get a bad rap. We're not saying that EVERYONE should pay their own way, piss on the old and the cripple. We recognize that the state should take care of those people. But, the process has to be effective. We don't need to pay 100,000 people at or above $50K a year to ensure that 200,000 people have their basic needs met. There needs to be a small effective gov't to distribute the the programs to those who NEED it, not those who WANT it. Hell, we all want to do nothing and get paid. You just have to go through more schooling for that.

[Greydon Clark]

Originally posted by 1080Rider
I think this is where conservatives get a bad rap. We're not saying that EVERYONE should pay their own way, piss on the old and the cripple. We recognize that the state should take care of those people. But, the process has to be effective. We don't need to pay 100,000 people at or above $50K a year to ensure that 200,000 people have their basic needs met. There needs to be a small effective gov't to distribute the the programs to those who NEED it, not those who WANT it. Hell, we all want to do nothing and get paid. You just have to go through more schooling for that.

Go down the GA office check out the reality of the situation before posting your theories on how improve the system. I'm embarrassed for you.

[1080Rider]

How much of the $$$ delegated to go to the "poor" gets there (wellfare syst)? $.30 on the dollar last study I read. That's $.70 that goes to "administrative costs." I guess the reason liberal get a bad rap is because they want to turn the US into a communist country and some of us don't want that. Take you're anti-conservative spewing somewhere else (prefereably to Dex' house, you guys can smoke out and marry eachother for all I care). We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here and you guys always start throwing shit like the monkey's in the zoo. I guess that's just another "liberal thing" huh (this is not how I feel, I am happy to discuss ANY matter w/ those on the board who can keep their fucking pre-menstral emotions in check and actually DISCUSS topics).

[up an down]

Originally posted by 1080Rider
I am happy to discuss ANY matter w/ those on the board who can keep their fucking pre-menstral emotions in check and actually DISCUSS topics).

i thought pre-menstral (sp) emotions were required to appreciate and post comments on tv soap operas i.e. the O C

[mr_gyptian]

Well Walt, that's fine that you've apparently accepted your lot in life. I however, do not and don't believe in my hard work going toward supporting someone else that is not related to me. As far as I'm concerned T.S. to the poverty line people. My father went through a bankruptcy and has fought his way out. He did not accept a dime from the government. There is opportunity all over the place in this country. you lose your job, train to do something else. The government will pay for that too.

[1080Rider]

Originally posted by Greydon Clark
I'm embarrassed for you.

I'll tell you what's embarrassing... you calling yourself an American. This country was founded on people going out and busting their fucking asses for what they had. The pioneers and original settlers did not wait around for someone to give them hand-outs. You idiots want everyone to have a free ride- it doesn't work that way. I worked my ass off to get where I am. My parents helped me through school and I plan on helping my kids, there's nothing wrong w/ that and there's nothing wrong w/ being rich (not that I am). You whiny babbies should try it. You might actually feel better about yourselves once you've accomplished something in life.

This is just a continuation of the bullshit that's been going on around here the last few weeks. We get to a point where we can talk about issues then some fuckers start throwing shit around.

[up an down]

Originally posted by SledNeck
Are there any numbers? Most of the wealthy folks I've been associated with are very driven and work very hard to get ahead. Most had to big of an ego to ever risk doing something "grey" to jeopardize all that they had worked. It's just like athletics you've got cheaters and you've got sportsman its just a different ball game.

if you ask me for numbers to back up my statements, why don't you supply numbers to back up your own assertions? "most " had " to big an ego to do something grey" eh?? where are the numbers?

[up an down]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
Well Walt, that's fine that you've apparently accepted your lot in life. I however, do not and don't believe in my hard work going toward supporting someone else that is not related to me. As far as I'm concerned T.S. to the poverty line people. My father went through a bankruptcy and has fought his way out. He did not accept a dime from the government. There is opportunity all over the place in this country. you lose your job, train to do something else. The government will pay for that too.

your dad took advantage of the bankruptcy laws that were passed by the big bad federal government eh?? did your dad pay off all the creditors, with interest, after he dug his way out? i guess if he did not pay them off then he "accepted" money in effect. but since it wasn't government money that makes it ok, right? and also.. you can thank "liberal" progressive thinking for the fact that we don't have debtors prisons .. long time ago i know, but reactionaries have always fought progressive social policies that improve life for the general population, just as repubs and right wingers fight progressive thinking today.

[mr_gyptian]

Paid everyone, including the Government.

Yeah that "liberal progressive" is great. paying the poor to sit and do nothing seems regressive to me.

[up an down]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
Paid everyone, including the Government.

Yeah that "liberal progressive" is great. paying the poor to sit and do nothing seems regressive to me.

as i said, your dad can thank that long ago thinking for the fact he was not sent into a debtors prison

[1080Rider]

Originally posted by Walter Sobchak

How does that jibe with what you "know" about gov't ineffectiveness?

Hey dickhead. I know when someone's being an asshole.

[up an down]

Originally posted by 1080Rider
Hey dickhead. I know when someone's being an asshole.

i sense some pre-menstral (sp) emotions

[The AD]

Back to the original link that was posted: the writer seems to think Food Stamps or EBT are some kind of blank check for slackers to use to get free food. I did a quick check, and you've got to be pretty darn poor before you qualify. Here in Washington, according to the DSHS web site:

"Your Basic Food benefits are based on your family size and your family income. A family of three could have gross earnings of up to $1,628 per month before they would no longer be for these benefits."

That's under $20K per year. I doubt people that are making that kind of money are driving expensive cars and eating prime rib.

[SledNeck]

Originally posted by up an down
if you ask me for numbers to back up my statements, why don't you supply numbers to back up your own assertions? "most " had " to big an ego to do something grey" eh?? where are the numbers?

You did not qualify your statement of most, I however did, I said most that I know(which is only about 5).... Perhaps there are reasons the guys I know would never venture into grey area. I try associate with honorable folks that believe in hard work, as for you, well I can't speak for you...

You know how is it that somebody who starts a fuckin machine shop in his garage, and produces quality CNC parts, reinvests in his company, and grows 5 years later hires 3 guys, 10 year later has 20 folks working for him. How the fuck is that corrupt. Thats the American Dream, and fucking "communist" fucks come along and say these folks are evil because they've sacrificed everything to get where they are. Why should he penalized for having a couple million sitting in the bank.

For once I'd like to see a liberal actually do something that invokes pride and spirit of competititon and satisfaction of attaining a Goal without somebody handing it to you or diggin in somebody elses pocket to get there.

[acostiga]

Originally posted by 1080Rider
This is just a continuation of the bullshit that's been going on around here the last few weeks. We get to a point where we can talk about issues then some fuckers start throwing shit around.

ahem.... fyi: you're throwing plenty of it around all by yourself.

[SledNeck]

That's under $20K per year. I doubt people that are making that kind of money are driving expensive cars and eating prime rib.

Perhaps you should look around you, these folks are "shacking" up with dealers. Of course they earn less than 20k, most of their income is not taxable, and since they are just "shacking" up the fuck buddy's income is not counted against them.

[mr_gyptian]

Originally posted by up an down
as i said, your dad can thank that long ago thinking for the fact he was not sent into a debtors prison

I'll let him know. I'll also tell my mother to be thankful for not getting publicly stoned for wearing the wrong clothes today. Additionally, I'll let the various NFL teams know to give thanks for being able to touch "pigskin".

great argument.

[1080Rider]

Originally posted by The AD

That's under $20K per year. I doubt people that are making that kind of money are driving expensive cars and eating prime rib.

No they're not driving nice cars. I do have to say though that they get pretty good shit. An ex of mine was a clerk at a grocery store. She saw first hand that some people (not all) on wellfare only buy the best foods. They have steak and all the snacks all the time. You can't buy smokes and beer w/ food stamps so at that time they would pay and purposefully use a bill that's too high (I guess they had bills that had denominations on them). They'd get the change then get back in line to buy smokes w/ the change. There's abuse everywhere. I think the original article was just venting some frustrations people have. I don't know that much of it was grounded in fact.

[up an down]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
I'll let him know. I'll also tell my mother to be thankful for not getting publicly stoned for wearing the wrong clothes today. Additionally, I'll let the various NFL teams know to give thanks for being able to touch "pigskin".

great argument.

it is a great argument isn't it? and if we lived in the year 1790 i assume you would direct your sarcasm at your dad as he was rotting in jail? to bad you can't make the conceptual leap that many accepted ideas and mores in the present time were once thought of as extremely radical by the conservative powers at the time. just as the conservative powers today use lies, and manipulate the media under their control to brainwash present day citizens. you are a prime example of a such a brainwashing victim.

[The AD]

Originally posted by 1080Rider
I do have to say though that they get pretty good shit. An ex of mine was a clerk at a grocery store. She saw first hand that some people (not all) on wellfare only buy the best foods. They have steak and all the snacks all the time.

That's fine because they're getting a finite amount of money to use on food. They can choose to use that money on whatever products they want as far as I'm concerned.

If there's a loophole like you mentioned that allows them to buy tobacco and alcohol, that stinks. That may be one reason why they switched to the EBT system: they don't get change back.

[Sublime]

I think you see the food stamp slacking for often when you get close to major cities.

I see people cheat food stamps every damn day. It makes me want to puke thinking they are eating prime rib and lobster tails, while in my single parent household were eating chicken. The more they get knocked up the more money they get for food.

I don't mean to sound like an asshole, which I probally do, but the EBT means major reform. Who gives a shit if all they can't buy the smokes and beer, the list of what they can buy is far to big.