Evolution

[shera]

Those who know me know that I love to cook. I'm interested in every aspect from art to science to culture to history. What do people eat? Will I think it's yummy?

So I've been looking into my own heritage (German) and learned that I came from a Scandanavian expansion to the south during the late paleolithic/early mesolithic. At one point my people were eating reindeer at the edge of the last ice age. But forests came alone with more variety like roots and berries and fruits and the waters melted and there was fishing. Then agriculture with various grains and legumes and then the Romans and Christianity came along with imports from the east and the Mediterranean. It's all very interesting.

But, looking back much further, millions of years, I find some very interesting early human species such as Paranthropus boisei with a big crushing jaw that was obviously an adaptation for eating the food available in those parts of Africa at that time - the savannah. Times change and so do people and eventually this version of man was no more.

Anyway, I'm just fascinated by what people will eat and it led me here: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanor...aop_start.html and as I read through I can't help but wonder about the people that don't accept evolution. Personally I love the bible and have read it throughout most of my life. But maybe I don't see it the same way everyone else does - for instance, I don't see much of a conflict with the creation story in Genesis and what we have learned about the history of the universe through science. Maybe I just take it with too much poetic license or see it as a document written by a people of a certain time, but with timeless truths.

So, what say ye?

[Hayduke]

Have you got blonde pubes and where are my car keys?

[irul&ublo]

But, looking back much further, millions of years, I find some very interesting early human species such as Paranthropus boisei with a big crushing jaw that was obviously an adaptation for eating the food available in those parts of Africa at that time - the savannah. Times change and so do people and eventually this version of man was no more.

And now you have one for a boyfriend!

[hutash]

So, what say ye?

How could evolution occur in 6,000 or so years?



























What I really say, is that the bible got it wrong; evolution is fact. The bible has some great moral teachings, but as a whole is wrong, and out dated. It should be read as a novel, and nothing more.

I do like that website, pretty cool.

[Beaver]

Ah, That's why those square headed gremans have such big jaws.

Speaking of food, I was up at Condo de Rusty couple weekends ago and his mom made some mexican type soup. It consisted of who knows what and shredded chicken. We crushed some nacho chips onto it and added cheese. It was reallllly gooood. You wouldn't happen to know what kind of soup it was and have a good recipie would you?

[Brock Landers]

You win the nerd contest.

I see the bible as a text written by people no smarter then any of the rest of us. And then revised/manipulated by people with agendas that would put any modern day politician to shame. I went to a Catholic college and I dont think all the religion classes had the desired result of the Jesuits running it- I have more questions and doubts than ever before.

That said...I have no idea where I came from or what my ancestors ate, but its pretty interesting to see how humans developed, and how our adaptations came around.

[Bodhi]

...his mom made some mexican type soup. It consisted of who knows what and shredded chicken. We crushed some nacho chips onto it and added cheese. It was reallllly gooood. You wouldn't happen to know what kind of soup it was and have a good recipie would you?

CHICKEN TORTILLA SOUP:

INGREDIENTS:
1lb shredded cooked chicken
1 (14.5 ounce) can chicken broth
1 can (14.5 oz) of enchilada sauce
1-1/2 cups of water
juice of 2 limes, or about 3 tablespoons
1 can (14.5 oz) diced tomatoes with juice
1/2 Jalapeno pepper, finely chopped
1 small can (4 oz) mild green chiles, undrained
4 tablespoons cilantro, chopped
2 green onions, chopped
1 medium carrot, diced
1 cup corn kernels
1/2 cup shredded Monterey Jack cheese or Mexican blend
1/2 tsp. ground black pepper
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 teaspoon cumin
1 teaspoon chili powder
1 teaspoon salt
vegetable oil
3 soft corn tortillas cut in strips about 1/2-inch wide or use store bought tortilla chips

PREPARATION:
Simmer chicken broth, water, and enchillada sauce with tomatoes, lime juice, jalapeno, green chiles, cilantro, green onion, carrots, corn and all seasonings for 75 minutes; add chicken about 5 minutes before done.

Break up store bought tortilla chips, or, Heat about 1 inch of vegetable oil in a deep saucepan to approximately 360° or use a deep fryer. Cook fresh soft corn tortilla strips in batches until crispy - just a few seconds for each batch.

Top each bowl of soup with tortilla strips and shredded cheese, or serve on the side. Should make 4 pretty good sized servings.


peace,
D.

[Bodhi]

...So I've been looking into my own heritage (German)...

You have any good Goulash recipes (German varations of the Hungarian dish?). My grandma used to make some good German Goulash, but seems her recipe died with her...

[doublediamond223]

What I really say, is that the bible got it wrong; evolution is fact. The bible has some great moral teachings, but as a whole is wrong, and out dated. It should be read as a novel, and nothing more.

That about covers it.

[BigKuba]

You have any good Goulash recipes (German varations of the Hungarian dish?). My grandma used to make some good German Goulash, but seems her recipe died with her...

My family makes a Polish version, which could be a variation on the German variation of the Hungarian dish. All the quantities are eyeballed:

- stew beef, cut into little cubes
- onions, diced
- mushrooms, sliced. Dried porcini mushrooms are really the bomb for this, so use as big a proportion of them as you can get your hands on
The general idea is that you want the onion and mushrooms to comprise a substantial portion of the stew.
- salt, pepper, and PAPRIKA. plenty of them
- 1 beef, 1 chicken boullion cube
- marjoram? bay leaves? I feel they're optional but won't hurt
- olive oil, to lubricate the frying pan

Beat the meat with a meat tenderizer/mallet and sear in a frying pan with the olive oil. Transfer to a big pot.
Sautee the onions and normal mushrooms, and add to the pot
Season with the seasonings + boullion
Add 1/2 - 1 cup of water
Simmer on low heat for ~1 hr, until the meat is nice and tender. Stir occasionally.

You can then add a little bit of flour to thicken the sauce

Sometimes I also add chopped bell peppers of varying colors and diced tomatoes with about 15 minutes to go, but that might stray from the mom-approved Polish recipe.

[Tippster]

How long ago was Genesis written? How much has science advanced since then? Isn't it remarkably close to the currently Scientifically accepted sequence of events (light/heaven and earth/water & continents/animals/etc....) if YOU DON'T FUCKING TAKE IT LITERALLY?

All these people were trying to do is explain where we came from. The quest for knowledge continues.

What banged, and why?

Disclaimer: I'm a "reformed" Catholic. I am allergic to dogma and no longer practice the religion I was brought up in... hell, any religion at all. However, Science and Theology are not necessarily mutually exclusive, so stop being fucking smug about what a book written ...what 3-4 thousand years ago (Old Testament?)... got right or wrong.

[backpack]

Isn't it remarkably close to the currently Scientifically accepted sequence of events (light/heaven and earth/water & continents/animals/etc....) if YOU DON'T FUCKING TAKE IT LITERALLY?

Yup, pretty much... at least a lot closer than most people give it credit for.

[splat]

However, Science and Theology are not necessarily mutually exclusive, so stop being fucking smug about what a book written ...what 3-4 thousand years ago (Old Testament?)... got right or wrong.

I think they can be smug about the ink they used.
There aren't many books with that kind of shelf life.

[snowsprite]

I wonder if we are still evolving and what the hell is taking so long?

Will cube-dwellers like me develop superhuman endurance skills (endurance of boredom, I mean) and the ability to sleep with their eyes open? Will they evolve into having a 2nd heart to help out once the first one cardiac-arrests from ingesting impossible quantities of caffienne?

All I can say is thank god I can't reproduce anymore, it could get scary!

Sprite

[Roo]

My family are descended from sea monkeys.

[snowsprite]

So in essence you are implying that Dr. Send is a cannibal?

Sprite

[OldLarry]

"So I've been looking into my own heritage (German) and learned that I came from a Scandanavian expansion to the south during the late paleolithic/early mesolithic."

How trhe fick di you figure that out? alls I know is that my peeps on one side got on a boat in Cork in the 1800s, and on the other side got on a boat in Holland (not even sure where) in the 1920s...

[Roo]

Fuck! I've just managed to stab myself in the nose with a pair of scissors.

[Tye 1on]

If we evolved from apes how come there's still apes?

[Twoplanker]

If we evolved from apes how come there's still apes?

Humans did not evolve from apes. Humans are more genetically similar to chimpanzees than to apes. However, humans did not evolve from chimpanzees either. Rather, both humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor.



Read this for a better explanation:

Like all other organisms, humans have evolved over time from earlier species, and share a genetic relationship to all other forms of life on Earth. The study of human evolution involves understanding the similarities and differences between humans and other species in their genes, body form, physiology, and behavior.

To understand human evolution one must understand where humans fit in relation to other forms of life. Modern humans belong to the group of mammals known as Primates. This is the scientific category describing such diverse creatures as lemurs, lorises, tarsiers, the monkeys of the New World and Old World, and also the apes. As primates we all share many characteristics, such as overlapping fields of vision caused by forward looking eyes (this allows for greater 3D vision), fine ability to grasp and handle objects in our hands, and enlarged brains relative to body size. The evolution of the Primates started in the early part of the Eocene epoch (about 55 million years ago).

By comparing humans and other living species, scientists have learned that humans are most similar to the large apes of Africa and Asia. Among all animals, humans and apes are the most alike in brain and body form, by having a complex social life, and in many other major and minor features, including the lack of a tail. The fossil record of several ancient ape species collectively called Proconsul shows that the split between the common ancestors of the Old world monkeys (above left) and the apes (above right) happened in the earliest Miocene, at least 20 million years ago.

Comparisons of DNA show that our closest living relatives are the ape species of Africa, and most studies by geneticists show that chimpanzees and humans are more closely related to each other than either is to gorillas. However, it must be stressed that humans did not evolve from living chimpanzees. Rather, our species and chimpanzees are both the descendants of a common ancestor that was distinct from other African apes. This common ancestor is thought to have existed in the Pliocene between 5 and 8 million years ago, based on the estimated rates of genetic change. Both of our species have since undergone 5 to 8 million years of evolution after this split of the two lineages. Using the fossil record, scientists attempt to reconstruct the evolution from this common ancestor through the series of early human species to today's modern human species.

So when did humans originate? The answer to that question really depends on what traits are meant by the term "human."

Our understanding of the fossil record shows that distinctively human traits appeared neither recently nor all at once. Rather, they evolved piecemeal over a period of roughly 5 million years. By 4 million years ago, humans were habitually bipedal (walking on two legs) yet had brains roughly a third of the size of a modern human's (about the size of a modern ape's brain). By 2.5 million years ago the manufacture of stone tools was common. Large increases in brain size occurred even later. Complex behaviors such as adaptation to a wide range of environments and cultural diversification emerged only within the last 100,000 years.


Source: http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanor...a/primate.html

[Roo]

If we evolved from apes how come there's still apes?

Because they evolved from boxes.

[Twoplanker]

Maybe I just take it with too much poetic license or see it as a document written by a people of a certain time, but with timeless truths.

So, what say ye?

I agree, you're taking it with too much poetic license. Let's not forget some of the less romantic sections of the bible:

"So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan." (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


Ah, yes, such timeless truths. With all that sex and violence, no wonder the book's had such a long shelf life.

[hutash]

"So I've been looking into my own heritage (German) and learned that I came from a Scandanavian expansion to the south during the late paleolithic/early mesolithic."

How trhe fick di you figure that out? alls I know is that my peeps on one side got on a boat in Cork in the 1800s, and on the other side got on a boat in Holland (not even sure where) in the 1920s...

It must be her predilection to wear furs and hats with horns, and a desire to carry a blacksmith's hammer.

[Arty50]

I went to a Catholic college and I dont think all the religion classes had the desired result of the Jesuits running it- I have more questions and doubts than ever before.

That was the desired result. I went to a Jesuit high school and their goal was definitely to get me to question my beliefs. They didn't care whether we accepted or rejected our beliefs, but rather it was more important that we were questioning them and coming to intelligent conclusions. Blind faith has no backbone to it. If you question your beliefs and accept them, then they become much stronger. If you end up rejecting them, then hopefully you come to new conclusions. I mean, not all of us light hippies cars on fire, listen to german techno, and carry samurai swords. Either way, you're better off by having gone through the process.

[MakersTeleMark]

Root (vegetables) and berries are still really good with deer.

Marjoram or bay leaves will kill the subtleties of the paprika (use the good stuff), and are to be avoided. Finish with a dollop of sour cream and some nice cracked black pepper.