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    Going to Canada? Check your past
    Tourists with minor criminal records turned back at border

    C.W. Nevius

    Friday, February 23, 2007

    There was a time not long ago when a trip across the border from the United States to Canada was accomplished with a wink and a wave of a driver's license. Those days are over.

    Take the case of 55-year-old Lake Tahoe resident Greg Felsch. Stopped at the border in Vancouver this month at the start of a planned five-day ski trip, he was sent back to the United States because of a DUI conviction seven years ago. Not that he had any idea what was going on when he was told at customs: "Your next stop is immigration.''

    Felsch was ushered into a room. "There must have been 75 people in line," he says. "We were there for three hours. One woman was in tears. A guy was sent back for having a medical marijuana card. I felt like a felon with an ankle bracelet.''

    Or ask the well-to-do East Bay couple who flew to British Columbia this month for an eight-day ski vacation at the famed Whistler Chateau, where rooms run to $500 a night. They'd made the trip many times, but were surprised at the border to be told that the husband would have to report to "secondary'' immigration.

    There, in a room he estimates was filled with 60 other concerned travelers, he was told he was "a person who was inadmissible to Canada.'' The problem? A conviction for marijuana possession.

    In 1975.

    Welcome to the new world of border security. Unsuspecting Americans are turning up at the Canadian border expecting clear sailing, only to find that their past -- sometimes their distant past -- is suddenly an issue.

    While Canada officially has barred travelers convicted of criminal offenses for years, attorneys say post-9/11 information-gathering, combined with a sweeping agreement between Canada and the United States to share data, has resulted in a spike in phone calls from concerned travelers.

    They are shocked to hear that the sins of their youth might keep them out of Canada. But what they don't know is that this is just the beginning. Soon other nations will be able to look into your past when you want to travel there.

    "It's completely ridiculous,'' said Chris Cannon, an attorney representing the East Bay couple, who asked that their names not be used because they don't want their kids to know about the pot rap. "It's a disaster. I mean, who didn't smoke pot in the '70s?''

    We're about to find out. And don't think you are in the clear if you never inhaled. Ever get nabbed for a DUI? How about shoplifting? Turn around. You aren't getting in.

    "From the time that you turn 18, everything is in the system,'' says Lucy Perillo, whose Canada Border Crossing Service in Winnipeg, Manitoba, helps Americans get into the country.

    Canadian attorney David Lesperance, an expert on customs and immigration, says he had a client who was involved in a fraternity prank 20 years ago. He was on a scavenger hunt, and the assignment was to steal something from a Piggly Wiggly supermarket. He got caught, paid a small fine and was ordered to sweep the police station parking lot.

    He thought it was all forgotten. And it was, until he tried to cross the border.

    The official word from the Canadian Border Services Agency is that this is nothing more than business as usual. Spokesman Derek Mellon gets a little huffy when asked why the border has become so strict.

    "I think it is important to understand that you are entering another country,'' Mellon says. "You are not crossing the street.''

    OK, but something changed here, didn't it?

    "People say, 'I've been going to Canada for 20 years and never had a problem,' '' Lesperance says. "It's classic. I say, 'Well, you've been getting away with it for 20 years.' ''

    A prior record has always made it difficult to cross the border. What you probably didn't know was that, as the Canadian Consulate's Web site says, "Driving while under the influence of alcohol is regarded as an extremely serious offense in Canada.''

    So it isn't as if rules have stiffened. But what has changed is the way the information is gathered. In the wake of 9/11, Canada and the United States formed a partnership that has dramatically increased what Lesperance calls "the data mining'' system at the border.

    The Smart Border Action Plan, as it is known, combines Canadian intelligence with extensive U.S. Homeland Security information. The partnership began in 2002, but it wasn't until recently that the system was refined.

    "They can call up anything that your state trooper in Iowa can,'' Lesperance says. "As Canadians and Americans have begun cooperating, all those indiscretions from the '60s are going to come back and haunt us.''

    Now, there's a scary thought. But the irony of the East Bay couple's situation is inescapable. Since their rowdy days in the '70s, they have created and sold a publishing company, purchased extensive real estate holdings and own a $3 million getaway home in Lake Tahoe.

    "We've done pretty well since those days,'' she says. "But what I wonder is how many other people might be affected.''

    The Canadian Border Services Agency says its statistics don't show an increase in the number of travelers turned back. But Cannon says that's because the "data mining'' has just begun to pick up momentum.

    "It is too new to say,'' he says. "Put it this way. I am one lawyer in San Francisco, and I've had four of these cases in the last two years, two since January. And remember, a lot of people don't want to talk about it (because of embarrassment).''

    Asked if there were more cases, attorney Lesperance was emphatic.

    "Oh, yeah,'' he says. "Just the number of calls I get has gone up. If we factor in the greater ability to discover these cases, it is just mathematically logical that we are going to see more.''

    The lesson, the attorneys say, is that if you must travel to Canada, you should apply for "a Minister's Approval of Rehabilitation" to wipe the record clear.

    Oh, and by the way, if you don't need to travel to Canada, don't think you won't need to clear your record. Lesperance says it is just a matter of time before agreements are signed with governments in destinations like Japan, Indonesia and Europe.

    "This,'' Lesperance says, "is just the edge of the wedge.''

    Who would have thought a single, crazy night in college would follow you around the world?
    Rules for getting into Canada

    For more information on offenses that prohibit entry to Canada, go to the Canadian Consulate's Web site at geo.international.gc.ca/can-am/seattle/visas/inadmissible-en.asp.

    For more information on visiting Canada, go to cic.gc.ca.

    C.W. Nevius' column appears regularly. His blog, C.W. Nevius.blog, can be found at SFGate.com. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.


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    haha glad i never got popped with a dui or buds. Alot of my friends are fucked. im wondering about the "other countries". My buddies hitting europe this summer. he's had a few run-ins with the law in his youth.

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    Wow I thought weed was like, legal in canadia
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    Hey Phill, why don't you post your tax returns, here on TGR, asshole. And your birth certificate.

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    haha thank your current u.s. government for all the security changes... it seems to work both ways

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    It's no better goin g south. If you try to get into the USA from Canada with an arrest but no conviction you are not allowed in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakers_dozen View Post
    haha thank your current u.s. government for all the security changes... it seems to work both ways
    Anything to stay safe.

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    Welcome to the NWO.

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    Is there any way to run a search on yourself to see what may pop up from back inna day?

    (free searches)

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    Luckily I was under 18 when I got my DUI ....Makes me want to be a little more careful all around though, as I expect to make many more trips to Canada in the future.
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    I talked my way onto a plane to Calgary last year without my passport (which I forgot at home) and got pounced on by immigration (I also have a scary last name).

    I figured no big deal; I'm a citizen of both countries, was born in Calgary- they have to let me in. The Canadians did pretty quickly, trying to get back into the States was a nightmare. Woof.

    The border is definitely a different place these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smolakian View Post
    Anything to stay safe.
    Yep those horrible pot smokers coming from Canada while how many thousand cross a year without even seeing customs down at that southern seive?
    It's not so much the model year, it's the high mileage or meterage to keep the youth of Canada happy

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    if you must travel to Canada, you should apply for "a Minister's Approval of Rehabilitation"


    rehab is for quitters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cramer View Post
    haha glad i never got popped with a dui or buds. Alot of my friends are fucked. im wondering about the "other countries". My buddies hitting europe this summer. he's had a few run-ins with the law in his youth.
    France/Swiss/Italian/Netherlands "borders" were a piece of cake compared to US/Canada. On arriving in Europe, some dude glanced at my (nearly expired) passport for a second, then we walked through the doorway for people with "nothing to declare". Heading back across the pond was a much bigger deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kanone View Post
    Welcome to the NWO.
    thank you for the Ministry flashback.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Great, so how are we supposed to get rid of all the aged hippies who got busted for pot in the 70s????

    So what's the next natural progression if we start opening the system to other countries as well? You can't travel anywhere out of the country if you've EVER had a conviction? Yeesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cold_smoke View Post
    Luckily I was under 18 when I got my DUI ....Makes me want to be a little more careful all around though, as I expect to make many more trips to Canada in the future.
    One of our people here used to work for the courts. And her son was popped with MJ within 500 feet of a school here and it was a felony, but he was 16. JUVENILE RECORDS ARE NOT SEALED, necessarily. He got turned down to go to BC and he can't ever vote here is the US.

    Yes, be careful.

    I wonder if I can even get in now.


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    You have to request that your juvenile records be sealed. Otherwise they aren't.

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    I also want to know how you can look up your own "file"...

    When I flew to France, I didn't even talk to a customs agent. Just waltzed into the country. Bummer about Canada. I love Canada, but I'm guessing my fiance won't be able to get in anymore. Guess that kills our chances of moving there one day...

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    Heh. We reap what we sow.

    I hope we all feel a little safer now! Let's keep giving up our rights America! I need to be protected and kept safe because I'm too much of a pussy to sack up and realize that with freedom comes a little bit of risk and responsibility once and again.

    NWO indeed. Tyrannies are created in the Name of Safety.

    Blah.

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    Application for Criminal Rehabiliation is recommended by a google search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterplee View Post
    But the irony of the East Bay couple's situation is inescapable. Since their rowdy days in the '70s, they have created and sold a publishing company, purchased extensive real estate holdings and own a $3 million getaway home in Lake Tahoe.
    [nelson] ha ha [/nelson]

    They think because they have accululated some wealth it wipes history clean?

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    Fucking Ricockulous!


    its sad huh?

    I would be pissed if I was "that guy" real pissed!!
    Points on their own sitting way up high

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    the US state dept should issue an advisory warning Americans not to travel to Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    They think because they have accumulated some wealth it wipes history clean?
    yes, that's usually how it works here.

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    so wait they can deny a person entry just because they were arrested?

    not even convicted?

    fuck that yo
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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