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    Crested Butte Expansion?

    Trouble in Colorado ski country
    Crested Butte resort's expansion plans spur backlash from residents
    By John Ritter
    USA TODAY

    MOUNT CRESTED BUTTE, Colo. — The crooked mountain looming over this far-flung resort town is well-known to extreme skiers. Plenty of scary-steep, ultra-expert terrain draws the cream of the sport.

    What the 12,162-foot peak lacks, say Crested Butte's owners, are enough slopes for intermediate-level skiers, a resort's bread and butter, that coveted lion's share of vacationers.

    Plans to remedy that by carving new ski runs on a nearby mountain has been a long-running battle here, familiar in today's ski industry: whether demand and environmental impacts justify expansion on public land.

    The ski industry touts its "green" initiatives. At least 16 resorts, including Crested Butte, offset 100% of the conventional power they use by buying credits for wind energy generated elsewhere. Crested Butte is switching to energy-efficient snowmaking guns and pushing energy conservation and recycling. It has one of the industry's best bus systems so skiers can keep their vehicles parked.

    But expansion — Crested Butte plans to apply for a federal permit this spring — is an overriding issue. Ski development is scarring national forests without a corresponding increase in skiers using new terrain, says Ben Doon, research director of Ski Area Citizens Coalition, which publishes an annual "report card" on resorts' environmental performance.

    Building lift towers and runs on undisturbed mountains harms streams, wildlife habitat and old growth forest, requires new roads in roadless areas and creates traffic and air pollution from resort villages, Doon says.

    Green energy-saving programs are "window dressing" that mask "a shell game," says Hal Clifford, author of Downhill Slide, which chronicles the rise of corporate resort ownership in the last two decades.

    Since 2000, the industry has had its best five years ever in skier numbers, but overall growth has been sluggish — less than 1% a year since 1978. So resorts try to compete for a static pool of skiers with new terrain and upscale commercial development. "I call it the on-mountain arms race," Clifford says. "There's a sense you've got to have something new and shiny on your ski area pretty much every season that you can promote and use to attract people."

    Many here want their resort to stay small and market its uniqueness, much of that due to the charm of Crested Butte, an 1880s mining town 3 miles away. Its downtown, a National Historic District, draws tourists year-round.

    More than 1,000 Gunnison County residents signed a petition asking the U.S. Forest Service to reject the resort's plan for new ski runs on nearby Snodgrass Mountain.

    They say the mountain is more valuable left alone, for no-lift backcountry skiing, hiking and mountain biking — an "incredible amenity" accessible from the edge of town, says Vicki Shaw of the group Friends of Snodgrass.

    The group says there's no correlation between terrain expansion and skiing increases. "But that's the way expansion has been sold," her husband, Chuck Shaw, says.

    The Forest Service will study environmental impacts and whether development could raise the risk of avalanches and landslides on Snodgrass. The agency turned down an even larger plan in 1994 — 3,600 housing units and seven lifts vs. 1,100 units and three lifts in what residents now widely refer to as "Snodgrass Lite."

    While recreation is part of the Forest Service's mission, less than one-tenth of 1% of national forest land is leased to ski operators. "Having ski areas be viable as long as they're within our environmental constraints is in our interest, we believe, and the nation's interest," says Jim Bedwell, Forest Service director for recreation and heritage resources in Washington.

    The citizens coalition's latest scorecard issued in November gave Crested Butte an "F," mainly over plans to build on 300 undisturbed acres on Snodgrass. "We think it's very skewed toward anti-growth," says Tim Mueller, who owns Crested Butte with his wife, Diane. The Muellers say new ski runs are crucial to the resort's long-term profitability and the town's economic prosperity.

    The Muellers bought a fading, money-losing property in 2004 — ski visits had plunged, businesses in the town of Mount Crested Butte were suffering — and by all accounts turned it around. With $15 million plowed into better ski-slope grooming, more snow-making and faster lifts, "skier days" rebounded from 333,000 in 2003-04 to 412,000 last season. New hotels and shops are going up in this town of 700.

    "The Muellers are trying to get everything done right on this mountain," Town Manager Joe Fitzpatrick says. "But our town runs off sales tax dollars, so tourism is key. For skiing to stay healthy here, we need to expand the terrain."

    John Norton, a consultant hired by the Muellers, says many skiers think of Crested Butte as "a three-day mountain" where they exhaust intermediate runs over a long weekend. That's not enough to draw vacationers to a remote resort — four hours by car from Denver's airport — and keep them, he says.

    Ski resorts with current or proposed expansions on public lands include Grand Targhee in Wyoming; White Pass, Crystal Mountain and 49 Degrees North in Washington; Mount Ashland in Oregon; Kirkwood in California; Bridger Bowl in Montana; and Durango Mountain, Aspen Highlands and Breckenridge in Colorado.

    Doon and other critics say expansion is about real estate, not skiing: Once resorts win the go-ahead to add runs on public land, they reap huge profits developing, selling and managing private property at the base of a mountain.

    "That's how ski areas really make their money," Doon says.

    North Village, a housing and commercial complex below Snodgrass, has been approved on land the Muellers own and could go forward with or without ski runs. However, the ability to market "ski in, ski out" access — walk out your door, step into skis, grab a lift — would bump up the value of homes and condos.

    Without Snodgrass "our operations will be much more difficult," Tim Mueller says. "If you want to kill the ski industry, stop growth. It's easy."


    Where is the supposed expansion at for Targhee?
    ROLL TIDE ROLL

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    Snodgrass has been in the works since the early 80's. The current owners probably have enough $ and power to make it happen, despite any opposition. The terrain is super beat- S and E facing low angle crap- but it will be easy to build houses at the base of it!! There will be a gate to access the N facing side of Snodgrass, which can be fun and is currently one of the most skied BC areas around town. Depending on the gate location, it might even make Gothic mtn into "slackcountry", which would be cool. Of far more interest to any maggot will be the expansion into Teo2 bowl- which looks like really quality terrain.

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    The last time I was at the mountain I went out to 3rd bowl with a friend who told me about teo2. Damn that looks like some nice terrain.

    I remember when I used to live in CB and everybody was bitching about the Snodgrass proposals. Hey if it moves the tourists off the main mountain a little it can't really be that bad a thing. There's a ton of great backcountry down there and most of it is really easy to access. I think if it helps keep the ski area open and the dollars flowing into town it's a good thing. The owners have to compete with Vail, Aspen, Telluride and other areas that are expanding, how are they going to do this with the limited offerings that they have. Yes the kids might rip but the parents want to ski too. South facing groomers will appeal to the older set that has the 3 hour lunch on the slopes and likes to spend money in town guaranteeing wages for workers and sales tax to pay for schools. Balancing growth with charm and history is really tough. But with the level of community involvement down there and what I've seen the CB governments accomplish up to this point I think they'll get the balance right in the end.

    Are you doing the comp or coming for a hike

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    how are things skiing right now? headed up there this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    how are things skiing right now? headed up there this weekend.
    GB can (and will) tell you better, but I think the mtn is skiing pretty well. On Sunday they had a few inches of fresh that amounted to a lot of really fun skiing! I imagine some things will get pretty skied off this week with the comp though...

    PS. Don't be afraid to bring your rock skis! Plenty of rocks still around. If you do what GB does, and just ski really fast over them, you won't have to worry about core shots
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerskierchick View Post
    GB can (and will) tell you better, but I think the mtn is skiing pretty well. On Sunday they had a few inches of fresh that amounted to a lot of really fun skiing! I imagine some things will get pretty skied off this week with the comp though...

    PS. Don't be afraid to bring your rock skis! Plenty of rocks still around. If you do what GB does, and just ski really fast over them, you won't have to worry about core shots
    thanks for the info. they're supposed to get some snow at the end of the week, I think.

    all of my skis are rock skis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    thanks for the info. they're supposed to get some snow at the end of the week, I think.

    all of my skis are rock skis.
    They sure will be by the end of your little trip!

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    ^^^ Cmon, today was the best day of the year! (Sad but true, 8" is the day of the year) But seriously, my skis are getting hammered.

    KC, I'm not sure what I'm doing yet. Either way, the forecast for Sunday looks iffy at this point for your plans. I might just keep quarrying for rocks around here.

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    first off, no skis are safe on that mountain.

    but to the more pressing issue, snodgrass and more intermediate terrain. 95% of the year at CB, the mountain is dead. In 6 years of living there, president's weekend and spring break are the only times i ever saw any line for any lift (pow days on the high lift and poma excepted). the snodgrass proposal is nothing but a marketing gimmick(sp). they want to expand the area so that they can develop more housing and show the world that they are offering more intermediate runs, even though its not needed. The real problem with that mountain, as far as tourist days go, are two fold. One you have a very strong and vocal local population that are good people but mostly there for the lifestyle and not to make money or advance their careers meaning that visitors aren't treated with a lot of respect, for better or worse. Add to that a huge accessibility problem. One nasty four hour drive from the major metro area, higher costs than summit county, a two lane highway to the mountain and infrequent and time consuming flights in and out, all add to not making it destination or family friendly.

    my 2 pence

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    I would agree with most of what gonehuckin just said. I could write for the next two hours about all the things I think the new owners are blowing and how messed up their priorities are, but I won't. It took 3 days for units in Cimarron to be pre-sold, and they haven't even broken ground yet. The high-end units were priced at $1,500/sg ft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    It took 3 days for units in Cimarron to be pre-sold, and they haven't even broken ground yet. The high-end units were priced at $1,500/sg ft.
    HOLY SHIT!!!! thats a mill five for a 1000 sqft

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonehuckin View Post
    HOLY SHIT!!!! thats a mill five for a 1000 sqft
    Yep! Crazy eh?

    And now we know you can do math. Good job.
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    math, its awesome

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