Just a thought... (about spancership)

[summit]

That idiot who thought "Why am I not spancered?" was actually posted by me (despite the caveat) and ignored me as a result, you have exceeded my expectations of internet stupidity. As people have lectured me: read, comprehend, then post.

Oh yes... and a big fuck you to blurred elevens
I'll start plannin what to post under your name next time you leave yourself logged in on my box now

[BobMc]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776
That idiot who thought "Why am I not spancered?" was actually posted by me (despite the caveat) and ignored me as a result, you have exceeded my expectations of internet stupidity. As people have lectured me: read, comprehend, then post.

Oh yes... and a big fuck you to blurred elevens
I'll start plannin what to post under your name next time you leave yourself logged in on my box now

On one hand you call someone an idiot, yet then grin like a monkey towards Blurred?

I'm not sure about your reading comprehension skills, but the shit Blurred posted as you was far worse than yourself calling someone an idiot. Comprehend that.

I'm hoping you don't show your own true colors when posting under fuckhead's name.

BobMc

[summit]

Originally posted by BobMc
On one hand you call someone an idiot, yet then grin like a monkey towards Blurred?

I'm not sure about your reading comprehension skills, but the shit Blurred posted as you was far worse than yourself calling someone an idiot. Comprehend that.

I'm hoping you don't show your own true colors when posting under fuckhead's name.

BobMc

what brett posted was base and offensive...

blurr-ed e-lev-ens (n.) A base and offensive jackass.

grow a sense of humour, reread my post, and pull your head out of your ass and consider the various meanings of a grin.

i called someone an idiot for believing i would say such things when in the very post it was revealed it wasnt me.

[WaterSnowSlut]

Originally posted by BobMc
On one hand you call someone an idiot, yet then grin like a monkey towards Blurred?

I'm not sure about your reading comprehension skills, but the shit Blurred posted as you was far worse than yourself calling someone an idiot. Comprehend that.

I'm hoping you don't show your own true colors when posting under fuckhead's name.

BobMc

You sir, are a dumb douchebag.

Your "comprehension" is right up there with the monkey in the zoo that jerks off in front of the tourists. Pat yourself on the back for showing your "true colors" and showcasing your ability to type, even though your case of Downs Syndrome is overwhelmingly evident in your genetic strain. Congrats on quitting licking the windows on the short bus too. You're super speshalllll!!!

[Blurred 11's]

Originally posted by SummitCo 1776

blurr-ed e-lev-ens (n.) A base and offensive jackass.

watch out, assclown

[trainnvain]

multiple personality disorder [dissociative identity disorder]
....students often ask me whether multiple personality disorder (MPD) really exists. I usually reply that the symptoms attributed to it are as genuine as hysterical paralysis and seizures....
--Dr. Paul McHugh

Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is a psychiatric disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is significant amnesia which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. In 1994, the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV replaced the designation of MPD with DID: dissociative identity disorder. The label may have changed, but the list of symptoms remained essentially the same.

Memory and other aspects of consciousness are said to be divided up among "alters" in the MPD. The number of "alters" identified by various therapists ranges from several to tens to hundreds. There are even some reports of several thousand identities dwelling in one person. There does not seem to be any consensus among therapists as to what an "alter" is. Yet, there is general agreement that the cause of MPD is repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. The evidence for this claim has been challenged, however, and there are very few reported cases of MPD afflicting children.

Psychologist Nicholas P. Spanos argues that repressed memories of childhood abuse and multiple personality disorder are "rule-governed social constructions established, legitimated, and maintained through social interaction." In short, Spanos argues that most cases of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients and the rest of society. The experts have created both the disease and the cure. This does not mean that MPD does not exist, but that its origin and development are often, if not most often, explicable without the model of separate but permeable ego-states or "alters" arising out of the ashes of a destroyed "original self."


Multiple selves exist, and have existed in other cultures, without being related to the notion of a mental disorder, as is the case today in North America. According to Spanos, "Multiple identities can develop in a wide variety of cultural contexts and serve numerous different social functions." Neither childhood sexual abuse nor mental disorder is a necessary condition for multiple personality to manifest itself. Multiple personalities are best understood as "rule-governed social constructions." They "are established, legitimated, maintained, and altered through social interaction." In a number of different historical and social contexts, people have learned to think of themselves as "possessing more than one identity or self, and can learn to behave as if they are first one identity and then a different identity." However, "people are unlikely to think of themselves in this way or to behave in this way unless their culture has provided models from whom the rules and characteristics of multiple identity enactments can be learned. Along with providing rules and models, the culture, through its socializing agents, must also provide legitimation for multiple self enactments." Again, Spanos is not saying that MPD does not exist, but that the standard model of (a) abuse, (b) withdrawal of original self, and then (c) emergence of alters, is not needed to explain MPD. Nor is the psychological baggage that goes with that model: repression, recovered memory of childhood sexual abuse, integration of alters in therapy. Nor are the standard diagnostic techniques: hypnosis, including past life regression, and Rorschach tests.

It should be noted that books and films have had a strong influence on the belief in the nature of MPD, e.g., Sybil, The Three Faces of Eve, The Five of Me, or The Minds of Billy Milligan. These mass media presentations influence not only the general public's beliefs about MPD, but they affect MPD patients as well. For example, Flora Rheta Schreiber's Sybil is the story of a woman with sixteen personalities allegedly created in response to having been abused as a child. Before the publication of Sybil in 1973 and the 1976 television movie starring Sally Fields as Sybil, there had been only about 75 reported cases of MPD. Since Sybil there have some 40,000 diagnoses of MPD, mostly in North America.

Sybil has been identified as Shirley Ardell Mason, who died of breast cancer in 1998 at the age of 75. Her therapist has been identified as Cornelia Wilbur, who died in 1992, leaving Mason $25,000 and all future royalties from Sybil. Schreiber also died in 1988. It is now known that Mason had no MPD symptoms before therapy with Wilbur, who used hypnosis and other suggestive techniques to tease out the so-called "personalities." Newsweek (January 25, 1999) reports that, according to historian Peter M. Swales (who first identified Mason as Sybil), "there is strong evidence that [the worst abuse in the book] could not have happened."

Dr. Herbert Spiegel, who also treated "Sybil", believes Wilbur suggested the personalities as part of her therapy and that the patient adopted them with the help of hypnosis and sodium pentothal. He describes his patient as highly hypnotizable and extremely suggestible. Mason was so helpful that she read the literature on MPD, including The Three Faces of Eve. The Sybil episode seems clearly to be symptomatic of an iatrogenic disorder. Yet, the Sybil case is the paradigm for the standard model of MPD. A defender of this model, Dr. Philip M. Coons, claims that "the relationship of multiple personality to child abuse was not generally recognized until the publication of Sybil."

The MPD community suffered another serious attack on its credibility when Dr. Bennett Braun, the founder of the International Society for the Study of Disassociation, had his license suspended over allegations he used drugs and hypnosis to convince a patient she killed scores of people in SATANIC RITUALS. The patient claims that Braun convinced her that she had 300 personalities, among them a child molester, a high priestess of a satanic cult, and a cannibal. The patient told the Chicago Tribune: "I began to add a few things up and realized there was no way I could come from a little town in Iowa, be eating 2,000 people a year, and nobody said anything about it." The patient won $10.6 million in a lawsuit against Braun, Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Hospital, and another therapist.

defenders of MPD

The defenders of the MPD/DID standard model of genesis, diagnosis, and treatment argue that the disease is underdiagnosed because its complexity makes it very difficult to identify. Dr. Philip M. Coons, who is in the Department of Psychiatry at the Indiana University School of Medicine, claims that "there is a professional reluctance to diagnose multiple personality disorder." He thinks this "stems from a number of factors including the generally subtle presentation of the symptoms, the fearful reluctance of the patient to divulge important clinical information, professional ignorance concerning dissociative disorders, and the reluctance of the clinician to believe that incest actually occurs and is not the product of fantasy." Dr. Coons also claims that demonic possession was "a forerunner of multiple personality."

Another defender of the standard model of MPD, Dr. Ralph Allison, has posted his diagnosis of Kenneth Bianchi, the so-called Hillside Strangler, in which the therapist admits he has changed his mind several times. Bianchi, now a convicted serial killer serving a life sentence, was diagnosed as having MPD by defense psychiatrist Jack G. Watkins. Dr. Watkins used hypnosis on Bianchi and "Steve" emerged to an explicit suggestion from the therapist. "Steve" was allegedly Bianchi's alter who did the murders. Prosecution psychiatrist Martin T. Orne, an expert on hypnosis, argued successfully before the court that the hypnosis and the MPD symptoms were a sham.

Allison claims, but offers no evidence, that the controversy over MPD is one between therapists, who defend the standard model, and teachers, who deny MPD exists.* The battle took place in committee when preparing the DSM-IV, he claims. The teachers won and MPD was removed and DID replaced it. The DSM-IV is the current version (1994) of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It lists 410 mental disorders, up from145 in DSM-II (1968). The first edition in 1952 listed 60 disorders. Some claim that this proliferation of disorders indicates an attempt of therapists to expand their market; others see the rise in disorders as evidence of better diagnostic tools. According to Allison, MPD was called "Hysterical Dissociative Disorder" in DSM-II and did not have its own code number. MPD was listed and coded in DSM-III, but removed in DSM-IV and replaced with DID.

It is possible, of course, that some cases of MPD emerge spontaneously without input from the MPD community, while other cases--perhaps most cases--of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients who have been influenced by authors and film makers. In either case, the suffering of the person with MPD is equally pitiable and deserving of our understanding, not derision.

[Blurred Elevens]

Originally posted by trainnvain
multiple personality disorder [dissociative identity disorder]
....students often ask me whether multiple personality disorder (MPD) really exists. I usually reply that the symptoms attributed to it are as genuine as hysterical paralysis and seizures....
--Dr. Paul McHugh

Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is a psychiatric disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is significant amnesia which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. In 1994, the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV replaced the designation of MPD with DID: dissociative identity disorder. The label may have changed, but the list of symptoms remained essentially the same.

Memory and other aspects of consciousness are said to be divided up among "alters" in the MPD. The number of "alters" identified by various therapists ranges from several to tens to hundreds. There are even some reports of several thousand identities dwelling in one person. There does not seem to be any consensus among therapists as to what an "alter" is. Yet, there is general agreement that the cause of MPD is repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. The evidence for this claim has been challenged, however, and there are very few reported cases of MPD afflicting children.

Psychologist Nicholas P. Spanos argues that repressed memories of childhood abuse and multiple personality disorder are "rule-governed social constructions established, legitimated, and maintained through social interaction." In short, Spanos argues that most cases of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients and the rest of society. The experts have created both the disease and the cure. This does not mean that MPD does not exist, but that its origin and development are often, if not most often, explicable without the model of separate but permeable ego-states or "alters" arising out of the ashes of a destroyed "original self."


Multiple selves exist, and have existed in other cultures, without being related to the notion of a mental disorder, as is the case today in North America. According to Spanos, "Multiple identities can develop in a wide variety of cultural contexts and serve numerous different social functions." Neither childhood sexual abuse nor mental disorder is a necessary condition for multiple personality to manifest itself. Multiple personalities are best understood as "rule-governed social constructions." They "are established, legitimated, maintained, and altered through social interaction." In a number of different historical and social contexts, people have learned to think of themselves as "possessing more than one identity or self, and can learn to behave as if they are first one identity and then a different identity." However, "people are unlikely to think of themselves in this way or to behave in this way unless their culture has provided models from whom the rules and characteristics of multiple identity enactments can be learned. Along with providing rules and models, the culture, through its socializing agents, must also provide legitimation for multiple self enactments." Again, Spanos is not saying that MPD does not exist, but that the standard model of (a) abuse, (b) withdrawal of original self, and then (c) emergence of alters, is not needed to explain MPD. Nor is the psychological baggage that goes with that model: repression, recovered memory of childhood sexual abuse, integration of alters in therapy. Nor are the standard diagnostic techniques: hypnosis, including past life regression, and Rorschach tests.

It should be noted that books and films have had a strong influence on the belief in the nature of MPD, e.g., Sybil, The Three Faces of Eve, The Five of Me, or The Minds of Billy Milligan. These mass media presentations influence not only the general public's beliefs about MPD, but they affect MPD patients as well. For example, Flora Rheta Schreiber's Sybil is the story of a woman with sixteen personalities allegedly created in response to having been abused as a child. Before the publication of Sybil in 1973 and the 1976 television movie starring Sally Fields as Sybil, there had been only about 75 reported cases of MPD. Since Sybil there have some 40,000 diagnoses of MPD, mostly in North America.

Sybil has been identified as Shirley Ardell Mason, who died of breast cancer in 1998 at the age of 75. Her therapist has been identified as Cornelia Wilbur, who died in 1992, leaving Mason $25,000 and all future royalties from Sybil. Schreiber also died in 1988. It is now known that Mason had no MPD symptoms before therapy with Wilbur, who used hypnosis and other suggestive techniques to tease out the so-called "personalities." Newsweek (January 25, 1999) reports that, according to historian Peter M. Swales (who first identified Mason as Sybil), "there is strong evidence that [the worst abuse in the book] could not have happened."

Dr. Herbert Spiegel, who also treated "Sybil", believes Wilbur suggested the personalities as part of her therapy and that the patient adopted them with the help of hypnosis and sodium pentothal. He describes his patient as highly hypnotizable and extremely suggestible. Mason was so helpful that she read the literature on MPD, including The Three Faces of Eve. The Sybil episode seems clearly to be symptomatic of an iatrogenic disorder. Yet, the Sybil case is the paradigm for the standard model of MPD. A defender of this model, Dr. Philip M. Coons, claims that "the relationship of multiple personality to child abuse was not generally recognized until the publication of Sybil."

The MPD community suffered another serious attack on its credibility when Dr. Bennett Braun, the founder of the International Society for the Study of Disassociation, had his license suspended over allegations he used drugs and hypnosis to convince a patient she killed scores of people in SATANIC RITUALS. The patient claims that Braun convinced her that she had 300 personalities, among them a child molester, a high priestess of a satanic cult, and a cannibal. The patient told the Chicago Tribune: "I began to add a few things up and realized there was no way I could come from a little town in Iowa, be eating 2,000 people a year, and nobody said anything about it." The patient won $10.6 million in a lawsuit against Braun, Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Hospital, and another therapist.

defenders of MPD

The defenders of the MPD/DID standard model of genesis, diagnosis, and treatment argue that the disease is underdiagnosed because its complexity makes it very difficult to identify. Dr. Philip M. Coons, who is in the Department of Psychiatry at the Indiana University School of Medicine, claims that "there is a professional reluctance to diagnose multiple personality disorder." He thinks this "stems from a number of factors including the generally subtle presentation of the symptoms, the fearful reluctance of the patient to divulge important clinical information, professional ignorance concerning dissociative disorders, and the reluctance of the clinician to believe that incest actually occurs and is not the product of fantasy." Dr. Coons also claims that demonic possession was "a forerunner of multiple personality."

Another defender of the standard model of MPD, Dr. Ralph Allison, has posted his diagnosis of Kenneth Bianchi, the so-called Hillside Strangler, in which the therapist admits he has changed his mind several times. Bianchi, now a convicted serial killer serving a life sentence, was diagnosed as having MPD by defense psychiatrist Jack G. Watkins. Dr. Watkins used hypnosis on Bianchi and "Steve" emerged to an explicit suggestion from the therapist. "Steve" was allegedly Bianchi's alter who did the murders. Prosecution psychiatrist Martin T. Orne, an expert on hypnosis, argued successfully before the court that the hypnosis and the MPD symptoms were a sham.

Allison claims, but offers no evidence, that the controversy over MPD is one between therapists, who defend the standard model, and teachers, who deny MPD exists.* The battle took place in committee when preparing the DSM-IV, he claims. The teachers won and MPD was removed and DID replaced it. The DSM-IV is the current version (1994) of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It lists 410 mental disorders, up from145 in DSM-II (1968). The first edition in 1952 listed 60 disorders. Some claim that this proliferation of disorders indicates an attempt of therapists to expand their market; others see the rise in disorders as evidence of better diagnostic tools. According to Allison, MPD was called "Hysterical Dissociative Disorder" in DSM-II and did not have its own code number. MPD was listed and coded in DSM-III, but removed in DSM-IV and replaced with DID.

It is possible, of course, that some cases of MPD emerge spontaneously without input from the MPD community, while other cases--perhaps most cases--of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients who have been influenced by authors and film makers. In either case, the suffering of the person with MPD is equally pitiable and deserving of our understanding, not derision.

Is MPD what the Libs call something when they don't read a post and jump to a conclusion? I'd label MPD i-g-n-o-r-a-n-c-e disorder. Take two beatings and call me in the morning.

[trainnvain]

Humor and boredom. That's all. Calm down. I might take those beatings just for fun though.

[watersnowdirt]

Most days I'm pretty damn proud to be a part of this community. Today's not one of them - this kind of bullshit is beyond pathetic.

[ak_powder_monkey]

and people say I post stupid things, oh opps I just did how bout some porn?

Biglines POTD:
http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic19121.jpg

On a totally unrelated note LF wax is Freaking expensive I better ski super good in the 40k

[Telenater]

Originally posted by WaterSnowSlut
...[/B]

This alias needs to die now. Probably one of the lamest things I've seen on either of the boards and I've been around for a while now.

[BakerBoy]

Originally posted by ak_powder_monkey
and people say I post stupid things, oh opps I just did how bout some porn?
On a totally unrelated note LF wax is Freaking expensive I better ski super good in the 40k

Hijacking someone elses picture a good post does not make. All you are doing is riding the coattails of someone elses effort, and that makes you a poser. A poser who should stop. Just like the whole Jack Handey Cafepress shit.

And if you are worried about what kind of wax in a 40k XC race, you really are fat and out of shape, like you admitted to earlier.

Read some other TRs, keep to yourself, and only post when absolutely necessary. Like this one.

[lph]

Originally posted by Telenater
This alias needs to die now. Probably one of the lamest things I've seen on either of the boards and I've been around for a while now.

Who is the owner of above alias? I am just curious, really. I don't want to assume it is blurred or summitco.

[meatdrink9]

Owens knows.

[lph]

Originally posted by meatdrink9
Owens knows.

i know he does. I am just curious to see if the person who posted it will come clean.

[iceman]

I seriously doubt it. Lame, mean people are usually cowards too.

[meatdrink9]

IMO anybody who makes personal attacks against others from another alias is a coward (whether or not they think it's just a joke). In this forum we could potentially have the option of knowing the cowards behind such deeds. I think the person should come forward on their own, but judging by their behavior it's doubtful. If people didn't have anonymity while being complete assholes maybe we'd lose a large portion of the negativety around here. I'm completely cool with and encourage aliases, but aliases that serve no other purpose than to be negative or an asshole are weak. The people behind the words should have to stand by them.

Owens?

[schuss]

this thread makes the baby jesus cry.

[Buster Highmen]

It all began at the dolls foot farm. There they were, nice, clean little dolls feet, growing, grooving together, worshipping together at the dragstrip of their choice when the dirty sock walked in. A lean sock, ragged at the edges prone to sucking on remnants of cheroots and bidis and spewing the notorious green glandlike french fries, it had a mission. But not a position. He carried in his saddle bags a vast array of assorted mixed pickle jars. Without warning, he swept down through the fields of verdant dolls feet, licking and sniffing the moist unguents and randomly grabbed an innocent foot and thrust it into a jar. Soon, legions of rancid mayonnaise packets crawled to the rescue, soaking the sock with copious squirts from their flaccid packets. Beore long, the sock was covered in flies, so in a stern, no nonsense, Studebaker Hoch like voice, it said: New York. And the sock and the flies left the arena of mangled and pickled dolls feet, fallen in the fog of the evening.

[splat]

[Peter Falk voice] So, you ever been to the Big Apple? [/Peter Falk voice]

[OJ]

Everybody's right...this thread blows....but, if Summit/Brett or whomever is posting is serious about getting spancership, I'm thinking that Levitra or Viagra would be an appropriate.

[Blurred 11's]

Another Slut special:

This is a copy of a Private Message "it" sent:





WaterSnowSlutMinionRegistered: Mar 2004Posts: 3

sup

Keep in mind I talk with Owens every day. I know who you are, he does too. Behave yourself. That is all.

__________________"Climb the mountain and I'll be waiting spread eagle. Your nature's piece will flow into my hole as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you like my Summers Eve douche, while care will drop off like the drunk whore I am." WSS

03-01-2004 05:38 AM

[EPSkis]

Just wondering what the need was to post that, Blurred?

I didn't really care before, but yeah - the asshole should be 1st outed, then banned. What say you, Owens?

[Blurred 11's]

Originally posted by EPSkis
Just wondering what the need was to post that, Blurred?

Just thought I'd share the cute little threat the Slut sent me the other day. Its all about sharing.

and I'm Blurred 11's, not Blurred....m'kay?

[EPSkis]

Originally posted by Blurred 11's
Just thought I'd share the cute little threat the Slut sent me the other day. Its all about sharing.

and I'm Blurred 11's, not Blurred....m'kay?

Whatever makes you feel pretty.