Westcomb

[FlimFlamvanHam]

Kim Jong, I tried on the new 2011 Vapor jackets recently in L and M. I'm 5'10" 175. I'm between M and L depending on manufacturer.

Westcomb freeride cut = fuckin huge. I could have gone S on the Vapor and it still had plenty of room.

[Kim Jong-un]

Kim Jong, I tried on the new 2011 Vapor jackets recently in L and M. I'm 5'10" 175. I'm between M and L depending on manufacturer.

Westcomb freeride cut = fuckin huge. I could have gone S on the Vapor and it still had plenty of room.

Thanks for the info JS.

I was beginning to think I needed to hit the gym...phew. Per NPG's post I've got a Medium on order now, so we'll see. 6'1" in a M jacket...I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.

[Ted Striker]

Thanks for the info JS.

I was beginning to think I needed to hit the gym...phew. Per NPG's post I've got a Medium on order now, so we'll see. 6'1" in a M jacket...I'm still trying to wrap my head around this.

I'm 6'1" and the M Mirage fits me, so you should be good to go with the Vapor.

[dannedieharder]

Kim Jong, I tried on the new 2011 Vapor jackets recently in L and M. I'm 5'10" 175. I'm between M and L depending on manufacturer.

Westcomb freeride cut = fuckin huge. I could have gone S on the Vapor and it still had plenty of room.

Then how about sleeve lenght?
I'm 5'11'' 154lbs but with monkeyarms, do you think S will fit. I want the arms to be long but the overall fit to be not overly baggy.

The same with pants, I want them long but not to baggy. Wich size might be good. I'm a 30"-32" waist

[FlimFlamvanHam]

Then how about sleeve lenght?
I'm 5'11'' 154lbs but with monkeyarms, do you think S will fit. I want the arms to be long but the overall fit to be not overly baggy.

The same with pants, I want them long but not to baggy. Wich size might be good. I'm a 30"-32" waist

I'm no good with their pants as I've never tried them and there's little feedback online about their pant sizing. I'd go by their size chart and err to the small end if bordering sizes.

And yeah, clearly you are a lanky dude, but i do think the small would fit. I wished now I had actually tried on the Small. The chick I was with was saying go small for sure, but I, like Kim-Jong, just could not wrap my head around a Small and just said, I don't need a new jacket and purchased nothing.

You should just give them a call and ask them to please measure the wingspan of a small vs a medium. They're a small outfit and I've had nothing but great service anytime I've contacted them. I'm sure they'd help you out.

[Kim Jong-un]

Then how about sleeve lenght?
I'm 5'11'' 154lbs but with monkeyarms, do you think S will fit. I want the arms to be long but the overall fit to be not overly baggy.

The same with pants, I want them long but not to baggy. Wich size might be good. I'm a 30"-32" waist

To echo JS's comments above...the guys there are helpful...give them a call.

The Vapor pants seem pretty normal sized for me. I'm a L normally and the L's fit me fine. So you may want to go w your normal size for the pants. The only complaint I have is I wish the scuff patch were bigger...no problems yet, but its smaller than on some other pants I have. Fyi, if you have access to CV RPK pants (a bit more commonly available pant) I think the Vapors are sized very similarly. Fyi, the Pavement pants have red zippers for some reason--they are not rendered correctly on the Westcomb site.

[pappag]

You guys sagging your pants? I'm not a tall dude, but think the length is about right. I like the extra wide support along the lower back and do keep the pants at a normal waistline (maybe slightly higher with a belt since there's plenty room in the junk area). I'm probably now closer to a 34" waist than 35" and the L still fits okay.

Regarding other sizing, the L Chilko sweater is a bit too big for my size (definitely could have gone M). The Skeena hoody in L is about right for layering with micro puff and baselayer underneath. Great on its own as an everyday jacket. The L alpine cut in the Cruiser LT jacket is also about right for my size when wanting to layer either lightly or heavily.

A friend of mine that's about 6'1", 170 lbs felt the Medium alpine cut to be perfect for him.

[Toby]

Hmm, I've got a Mirage jacket and Vapor jacket, both XL. I usually wear XL, ~6'2", 200lb, reasonably athletic build. The Vapor is a bit more baggy but not excessive and I'm happy with both sizes. I could've gone smaller for a super Euro fit, but I like a bit of room.

[funkendrenchman]

The Vapor pants in medium are 32-33" waist and have an inseam of 32." Roomy, but not really baggy.

[igBand]

Hmm, I've got a Mirage jacket and Vapor jacket, both XL. I usually wear XL, ~6'2", 200lb, reasonably athletic build. The Vapor is a bit more baggy but not excessive and I'm happy with both sizes. I could've gone smaller for a super Euro fit, but I like a bit of room.

I'm right around the same size and wear an XL Mirage. A bit roomy on warmer days when I'm only wearing a base layer, but it's got the extra space when I have to wear a synthetic puffy layer underneath on those super cold days.

Love the jacket.

[FlimFlamvanHam]

Hmm, I've got a Mirage jacket and Vapor jacket, both XL. I usually wear XL, ~6'2", 200lb, reasonably athletic build. The Vapor is a bit more baggy but not excessive and I'm happy with both sizes. I could've gone smaller for a super Euro fit, but I like a bit of room.

I had a Mirage in M (2010 model). Thought the fit and cut were perfect for me (again, 5'10" 175): not euro slim and not baggy...perfect. Also tried a Revenant in M which was a bit tight through chest and armpits. Very cool design though. Love the style and colors in the Vapor line. The 2011 Vapor is roomier for sure than the 2010's (have tried both in L & M), especially around the waist.

[1000-oaks]

The medium 2009 or 2010 Revenant was too tight in the chest for me at 5' 9" / 165 lbs / 42 short suitcoat / 34 waist, had to go large (and need to shorten the sleeves).

[fool]

I've been checking out Westcomb for the upcoming ski season - as well as spring/summer for climbing - and was interesting in what people thought more specifically on a few of their products.

Chilko Sweater - looks great: warm (850fill down), light, and packs into it's own pocket (which I'm a fan of). It would be used for spring/summer climbing. Seems like a good replacement of a down jacket I've had for a while. However, does it's cost - even on a discount/sale - merit it being much better than say a Patagonia Down Sweater (which you can find on sale a fair number of places right now)? I assume it's a little warmer but overall I'm curious about the price-to-quality difference.

Vapor FX Pant - I'm more interested in a soft shell pant and I know technically it's a hard shell, but it sounds like it doesn't act like it: thoughts? Good for the resort as well as side/back country? I'm a fan of the venting zippers, so the pant looks great to me. Just want it to feel/act more like a "classic" softshell as opposed to hardshell.

Apoc Jacket - anyone know anything about it? Looks interesting: http://www.westcomb.com/product/neos...order-now.html & http://backcountryskiingcanada.com/i...0Apoc%20Jacket (though I think the jacket has had a few changes this past year). Looks pretty damn impressive from that one review that I can find.

Any thoughts?

[auvgeek]

Vapor FX Pant - I'm more interested in a soft shell pant and I know technically it's a hard shell, but it sounds like it doesn't act like it: thoughts? Good for the resort as well as side/back country? I'm a fan of the venting zippers, so the pant looks great to me. Just want it to feel/act more like a "classic" softshell as opposed to hardshell.

Why not the Chief Bib? Soft shell with eVent put in strategic places (like butt, knees, etc). I have the Revenant bib cuz it's wet here in the PNW and I wanted to use it for bc and resort skiing, but I seriously considered the Chief. If I were interested in a softshell like you are, it would be near the top of my list.

Regarding sizing: 5'11", 165, +3 ape index, and the medium jacket and pants fit nicely. YMMV.

[stradissimo]

Vapor FX Pant - I'm more interested in a soft shell pant and I know technically it's a hard shell, but it sounds like it doesn't act like it: thoughts? Good for the resort as well as side/back country? I'm a fan of the venting zippers, so the pant looks great to me. Just want it to feel/act more like a "classic" softshell as opposed to hardshell.

Apoc Jacket - anyone know anything about it? Looks interesting: http://www.westcomb.com/product/neos...order-now.html & http://backcountryskiingcanada.com/i...0Apoc%20Jacket (though I think the jacket has had a few changes this past year). Looks pretty damn impressive from that one review that I can find.

Any thoughts?

I have a Vapor jacket. It is great, but it doesn't feel like a softshell at all to me, so I really doubt the Vapor pants will either.

Westcomb will be coming out with Neoshell pants (the fabric the Apoc is made of) for '12/'13. That's what I want. If you can't wait, check out the Rab Stretch Neo Pants http://us.rab.uk.com/products/mens-c...neo-pants.html they're made of similar stuff, and are available now.

The review of the Apoc jacket really makes me want one. The reviewer needs to watch this

to know what to do with the hood. That should take care of one of the cons.

[gramboh]

Vapor FX Pant - I'm more interested in a soft shell pant and I know technically it's a hard shell, but it sounds like it doesn't act like it: thoughts? Good for the resort as well as side/back country? I'm a fan of the venting zippers, so the pant looks great to me. Just want it to feel/act more like a "classic" softshell as opposed to hardshell.

They are definitely hardshell pants, there are venting zippers on the inside of the thigh (no mesh) as well as the outside at the waist. I use them for resort skiing, Happy with the performance as far as waterproofing/breathability and they are durable, the only tears I have are around the ankles from falls or slipping on rocks hiking. I've never used a softshell, but I doubt these breath as good as one. For me, being waterproof with acceptable breathability was the most important thing.

[fool]

Auvgeek: good point; I'll look more into the Chief bib.

Stradissimo: Cool, thanks for the info. So, to clarify, Westcomb will be coming out with Neoshell pants this winter season (that would be '11/'12, right?)? I assume something should show up on their website soon, as they've already included a few products for the upcoming season such as the Apoc. I'm interested to see what they produce, as well as if it has side zips. Those Rab pants look great: thanks. Also, a little more info on Neoshell from Lou: http://www.wildsnow.com/5864/polarte...hell-clothing/ . The Apoc jacket does seem indeed really sweet, I'd like to see a few more reviews from good sources on this year's jacket (not that I think it will decrease in quality at all, but just to hear more solid reviews).

gramboh: Thanks for the detailed info on the pants. Sounds like I'll look around a little more.

[fool]

Oh, auvgeek, sizing makes sense: thanks. I'm 6'2" and 180lbs, so on the thinnish side and it sounds like Westcomb fits somewhat normally: I imagine I'd be medium in pants (34" waist) and large in the jacket (not a big chest but longish arms).

[stradissimo]

Stradissimo: Cool, thanks for the info. So, to clarify, Westcomb will be coming out with Neoshell pants this winter season (that would be '11/'12, right?)?

Well, I f'd up. The Apoc pants will be here next year, which is '12/'13. Sorry.

[whyturn]

So I went and got a vapor FX off SAC for $206 shipped, sweet. Wow, the new model is really functional, techy, and just plain sweet. Been using the Mirage for two seasons. So a comparo for others
FX thicker, beefier and heavier and fabric is like denim feel (820NT). FX is 2.2 lbs and mirage is 1.3 ish. Mirage is two layer, thick on front like 560NT weight and maybe 300 on inside of sleeves
FX has wrist gators and shoulder pocket vs wrist pocket
FX has two big skin pockets vs the hand pockets.
The sizing is the same except my FX is XL and my mirage is XXL.
Absynthe color is muted sea blue/green. Really have not seen it ever
Love the Riri zips and removabale pow skirt on FX.
Time will tell if it replaces the Mirage, but for tree skiing it seems like a good choice
Will update once I get some days on it

[whyturn]

One other thing I prefer on fx is the shape. The shoulder area is roomy for my body armor but the waist is slightly tapered for my 36 waist. I'm sold

[tehol]

Sorry to revive a long dead thread, but I just tried on a Mirage jacket in medium- it's gigantic! Bigger even than my old north face sonic stretch 2 jacket. I've got a size 38 chest, and i usually buy mediums so that I can layer a bit, but even with 2 thick layers on underneath, this jacket still had several inches of excess room, not to mention the sleeve length was about 3 inches too long- my fingers didn't even poke out of the sleeve when the cuffs weren't tightened.

Did I get a Large or extra large mislabeled as a medium or something? Or is this just how westcomb jackets fit? Reading over this whole thread, I was under the impression that the fit was similar to arc'teryx, if not a bit bigger, but this jacket was massive!

[schwerty]

That's odd. I have the Apoc jacket from this year in an XL an feel it is really small compared to other brands. In most other shells I'd be in a L unless I wanted to fit a ton of layers or a down coat under it. I can't fit much under the Apoc in an XL.

[shroom]

i have some large vapor fx pants that are far from baggy and i wear a 33 pant. always thought westcomb ran a bit small.

[tehol]

okay, yeah, then this is strange- I know this isn't the official way to measure the chest size of a jacket, but just laying it down flat and measuring across the chest under the arms, from put zip to pit zip, it's 26 inches, which means its over 50 inches around! even if my measurements are a bit off, it still seems way too large for a jacket that is supposedly a 41 inch chest.

I think I'm going to contact Westcomb first before I send it back to the retailer and see what they have to say about it. Thanks guys.